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[Former_Fiend]

Except BioWare already did take a page from the Gears of War playbook for ME2 and ME3. Not just a page, almost the entire book actually.

 

And I am fully in support of them giving that book back.

[The Heretic of Time]

And yet a title such as TW3 among others is skipped because of the excessive inclusion of such content, designed so that unlike Bioware games, one cannot easily control the material in the game.

If Bioware were to follow this trend, but include a Toggle, one could still play and avoid the objectionable content.

 

Say what now? TW3 is highly successful and CDPR is regarded as "the new BioWare" by many people.

[Seboist]

And I am fully in support of them giving that book back.

 

And be left with.... what exactly? The stellar Ed Wood level writing and "choices" that give you the same playthrough as anyone else?

 

ME's biggest issue from the start was that it wasn't enough like Gears of War.

[Battlebloodmage]

Say what now? TW3 is highly successful and CDPR is regarded as "the new BioWare" by many people.

While I'm not a fan of the Witcher, CDPR is unarguably the best game publisher in the world. 

[Elhanan]

Say what now? TW3 is highly successful and CDPR is regarded as "the new BioWare" by many people.

The game looks amazing, but w/o a Pause feature, I cannot play it. And the ESRB content is intrusive, so it cannot be easily controlled or avoided. I pass; will skip on FO4, too.

[Former_Fiend]

The game looks amazing, but w/o a Pause feature, I cannot play it. And the ESRB content is intrusive, so it cannot be easily controlled or avoided. I pass; will skip on FO4, too.

 

Feel free to pass on ME:A and all future Dragon Age games, as well.

[FKA_Servo]

And I am fully in support of them giving that book back.

 

It would be fine with better environment design, I think. The levels in ME2 and ME3 were so blantantly designed for the mechanics. It was incredibly lame.

 

But then I think the quality of the gameplay is inversely proportional to the quality of everything else, as the games went on.

 

I also really liked the first three GoW games a lot (the only ones I played), so there's also that.

[Battlebloodmage]

The game looks amazing, but w/o a Pause feature, I cannot play it. And the ESRB content is intrusive, so it cannot be easily controlled or avoided. I pass; will skip on FO4, too.

Good for you, please continue to do that, skip the games you don't wanna place instead of demanding the developers to divert valuable resources and changing their vision. I hope you consider skipping the next ME game. 

[The Heretic of Time]

The game looks amazing, but w/o a Pause feature, I cannot play it. And the ESRB content is intrusive, so it cannot be easily controlled or avoided. I pass; will skip on FO4, too.

 

Intrusive? Listen to yourself, you're not making any sense. The unadulterated mature and explicit content of The Witcher is one of the defining characteristics of that franchise and it's one of the reasons why it's so popular.

[Fandango]

As the other thread suggest a Toggle for indv personal censoring, it would not interfere with another's desire to see the objectionable material.

But - as has already been explained to you a thousand times over at this point - different people find different things objectionable Elhanan.

Right?

[Elhanan]

But - as has already been explained to you a thousand times over at this point - different people find different things objectionable Elhanan.

Right?

Correct; hence my support for a Toggle on such materials. Those that want it can still use it, and those wishing to skip it can still purchase and play the game, too. Win/ win....

[pdusen]

Correct; hence my support for a Toggle on such materials. Those that want it can still use it, and those wishing to skip it can still purchase and play the game, too. Win/ win....

 

It's not a win/win if both sides don't win, genius.

[TeffexPope]

If gamers get what they want, then in the future there will be so many things and features that are toggle-able in a given videogame that everybody would starve to death going through all the options to see what they do and don't want toggled...

 

Also, that word sounds incredibly silly if you say it enough times. toggle? toggle? toggle?

[Fandango]

Correct; hence my support for a Toggle on such materials. Those that want it can still use it, and those wishing to skip it can still purchase and play the game, too. Win/ win....

Again, you missed the point of my post. You are asking for BioWare to roll out a toggle that allows you to censor the parts of ME:A that are objectionable to you. My point is that, given that we all find different things objectionable, no toggle is going to be able to manage the games content, in the way you apparently need, for the entire player base. You know, those other people who play the game who are not you?

Do you understand?

[Elhanan]

Again, you missed the point of my post. You are asking for BioWare to roll out a toggle that allows you to censor the parts of ME:A that are objectionable to you. My point is that, given that we all find different things objectionable, no toggle is going to be able to manage the games content, in the way you apparently need, for the entire player base. You know, those other people who play the game who are not you?

Do you understand?

Like the content of the game itself, the filter would be implemented by Bioware. Am willing to give it a try based on their prior games, titles, etc. And the result should be better than having to bench characters, or passing on the game completely.

[Fandango]

Am willing to give it a try based on their prior games, titles, etc. And the result should be better than having to bench characters, or passing on the game completely.

Says who? I bet if we asked 5 different forum members what they wanted from - say - a nudity toggle we'd get 5 different answers.

 

See the problem?

[Elhanan]

Says who? I bet if we asked 5 different forum members what they want from - say - a nudity toggle we'd get 5 different answers.
 
See the problem?

No problem, as all could either leave it off, or turn it on for the filter.

[Battlebloodmage]

No problem, as all could either leave it off, or turn it on for the filter.

I'm glad to see you finance all the cost related to the toggle.

[Chealec]

This really is a monumental waste of time...
 
Elhanan has already admitted he knows naff all about software design and thinks that it's possible to implement a toggleable profanity/nudity filter without it:
 
a: having a significant overhead in both cost and time
b: impacting on any other part of the game
 
Both of these premises have been shown to be false from articles written by developers who have implemented a profanity filter and from examples given by people who are software developers. However, he doesn't accept this so any post made in his direction is effectively white noise - he claims that:
 

A developer; not plural, and others seem interested in exploring the topic on the other thread, at least.

Whilst not realising that he's not actually interested in exploring the topic; merely re-iterating the fact that he'd like a profanity/nudity filter. If he was really interested in exploring the topic he'd accept the fact there would be consequences for attempting this implementation in terms of cost, time and game assets (you'd have to ensure there were no textures containing profanity for instance, like obscene graffiti on a wall, or at least a way for the engine to toggle them off); that implementing a profanity toggle would have a hardware cost in terms of disk space, download size and RAM usage (need to store 2 audio tracks in memory at any given time) and potentially an added distribution cost for the additional bandwidth usage required when pushing the game out through the SEN or XBL.

 

Elhanan is not interested in exploring the topic - so I don't see why anyone else should be, why anyone should really waste any time on this.

[Fandango]

No problem, as all could either leave it off, or turn it on for the filter.

What are you talking about (we were discussing 5 different people wanting the toggle to do 5 different things)? Given that we have yet to nail down what it is this toggle is actually supposed to do (even of the subject of nudity), what does switching it on or off accomplish?

[Elhanan]

What are you talking about (we were discussing 5 different people who would like the toggle to do 5 different things)? Given that we have yet to define what this toggle is actually supposed to do (even of the subject of nudity), what does switching it on or off accomplish?

Those that wish to see it leave the Toggle off; those that do not want to see it may activate it. Those 5 folks now have two distinct options that were not there before; better than no option at all.

[Fandango]

Those that wish to see it leave the Toggle off; those that do not want to see it may activate it. Those 5 folks now have two distinct options that were not there before; better than no option at all.

Nope, you can't continue to ignore my point that these things are not binary Elhanan. Unless you are calling for a toggle which changes the ESRB rating for ME:A from 'M' Mature to 'C' Early Childhood.

What's it to be?

[Chealec]

Strangely relevant:

 

[Spectr61]

Those that wish to see it leave the Toggle off; those that do not want to see it may activate it. Those 5 folks now have two distinct options that were not there before; better than no option at all.

Ignore him.

Professional troll with an identity crisis.

http://forum.bioware...616-raenimrahl/
 

[DaemionMoadrin]

Ignore him.

Professional troll with an identity crisis.

http://forum.bioware...616-raenimrahl/
 

 

You do know that Raen is the English Community Mod, right? I only pointed out that Elhanan is using the same avatar... although now that I did, he changed it to a slightly different one.