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[AnUnculturedLittlePotato]

I feel like this might be because I'm under specced but spirit blade will sometimes only do 1 attack each time and will for whatever reason re position side to side back and forth for like 5 seconds even when I know I'm in range.
Considering I wanted to be mainly support with the spirit blade > cool down reduction > Barrier Spam spirit blade acting off is ruining that.
On the off chance I have to dump it what's a decent KE build that doesn't use spirit blade at all? No way I'll be able to be a support character (which sucks as it's the sole reason I made a KE) and I'm kind of at a loss.

Edit: I'm supposed to be gaining barrier like mad right? Because I'm not.

Modifié par AnUnculturedLittlePotato, 08 août 2015 - 02:17 .

[Gilli]

You have to keep your finger on the key where you have SB. It's not an auto attack, you have to attack and keep your finger on SB, as long as you want to attack with it.

 

The more damage you deal, the more barrier you get. No damage = no barrier.

[AnUnculturedLittlePotato]

You have to keep your finger on the key where you have SB. It's not an auto attack, you have to attack and keep your finger on SB, as long as you want to attack with it.

 

The more damage you deal, the more barrier you get. No damage = no barrier.

Well see it's only sometimes. I keep hitting SB over and over but he'll only do 1 hit and put it away then do another. Sometimes he also constantly re positions for like 5-10 seconds before hitting once.

[Gilli]

Hmm, that's weird  but I have to say, I have only used SB in Multiplayer till now (when I play as AW) not in SP.

Maybe someone who already has played as KE in Singleplayer has an idea what's wrong.

[AnUnculturedLittlePotato]

Hmm, that's weird  but I have to say, I have only used SB in Multiplayer till now (when I play as AW) not in SP.

Maybe someone who already has played as KE in Singleplayer has an idea what's wrong.

I mean it's either A. Qunari Male Hitboxes are weird or B. An underspecced laptop can't figure it out right?

[Mordray Darkblood]

Instead of hitting the button repeatedly... try holding the button down... Reaver's Dragon Rage is functionally similar to Knight Enchanter's Blade.

[AnUnculturedLittlePotato]

Instead of hitting the button repeatedly... try holding the button down... Reaver's Dragon Rage is functionally similar to Knight Enchanter's Blade.

I tried that. The moment you get interrupted however you have to repress it.
It also didn't stop the problem except now I have to see if quizzy's trying to move into range or just standing there because he won't start another combo if he only does a full combo of 1.
I almost wana just dump KE all together. This is ridiculous.

[Gaesesagai]

Umm, I think something else is happening

Back when I started playing KE (it's my main now ) I had this happening to me: I would cast this and that and then go in to spirit blade everything to death... and instead of doing the "combo" (it's 3 hits right?) with spirit blade he would just do 1 attack (kinda sluggish too) and then pause, even though I was smashing the button like crazy. What was happening was I was out of mana sometimes I just botch my opening combos and mana just doesn't manage to keep up and I end up with like 10-19 mana probably, so spirit blade combo can't start (10 mana/hit). You can just take a few seconds break and start killing once mana has a bit of advantage in terms of regeneration vs how much you spend.

 

As for build, personally I have the fire tree full (minus flash and wall), spirit tree full (minus ressurect), KE tree full (minus focus power and disruption) fade step, and some passives here and there, mainly for the silly +3 stat bonuses lol. I open with barrier, fade step (which is upgraded of course) to the mob, drop fire mine, activate fade cloack and walk on the mob, then start hacking with spirit blade. This is enough to kill any normal mob. The tougher ones usually require another fire mine at most (which also hits a lot harder due to the bigger barrier).

 

This build allowed me to go solo against almost anything. The hakkon dagger rogues are horrible so I'm a bit afraid of going solo there (also the red templar rogue thingies are dangerous, though not as much). But other then that, dragons, giants, bosses, everyting was mostly solo

[AnUnculturedLittlePotato]

Mnnn...Fairly certain I'm not running out of mana. Unless it takes more than 5 seconds to get 10. Whenever I re position I ALWAYS end up doing 1 attack.

[PapaCharlie9]

Post your build, every single point, including passives. KE passives are critical.

I've seen the targeting problem you are having myself. I have run into that as KE. Do you run combats real-time, or with Pause/Tactical? If you Pause enough to set a target (reticle goes from white to gold), SB works better. There are still tracking problems if the target moves around alot, like a DW assassin, but you shouldn't have as many misfires. Once that target is down, Pause, set nearest melee target, Unpause.

If you have no melee characters nearby and Fade Step is on cooldown, just use staff auto attacks. Those will buff your barrier as well. If you've got Energy Barrage, one shot can buff your barrier back to max.

EDIT: Oops, I glossed over the Clean Burn aspect. You need to spam SB to reduce Barrier cooldown, not buff your own Barrier. Hmm, yeah, still need to see your build.

EDIT: found a better video, in Hissing Wastes, NM and casts barrier in between SB and sets target. Does your combat look anything like this?

[AnUnculturedLittlePotato]

Well my build is probably #confirmed bad but that doesn't mean anything as far as constantly side stepping for like 5 seconds only to use SB once but sure I'll post it. My build is mainly concerned about being supportive so it's weird. I plan on swapping out immolate for flashfire but otherwise it's, as of now, the same.
I also have yet to get the amulet from Briala/Celene's war table mission and from influence (Still need both focus and the extra potion slot for some grenade fun). I could probably drop mind blast but I was gonna grab it's buff and ice armor/blizzard. I might be able to drop dispel and slap it on dorian however losing dispel loses it's connected passive.

All skills and passives in spirit, no skill upgrades.
Immolate>Flashpoint>Clean Burn
Winters Grasp > Winters Stillness (My plan was ice wall ice armor Blizzard + blizzard buff.)
Spirit blade, combat clarity, Fade Shield, Knight protector, resurgance, and mark of the rift
MY bar is every spirit skill (I was going to drop Revive when I grabbed healing mist's revive upgrade, the extra potion slot, and tested it on a revenant. Oddly enough unupgraded it's a full HP revive. It wasn't like that when I first got it.) Immolate, winters grasp, and resurgance. and spirit blade if course.

Oh and yes that's what my combat looks like.
Sort of. Different skills same concept.

Modifié par AnUnculturedLittlePotato, 08 août 2015 - 08:36 .

[PapaCharlie9]

All skills and passives in spirit, no skill upgrades.
Immolate>Flashpoint>Clean Burn
Winters Grasp > Winters Stillness (My plan was ice wall ice armor Blizzard + blizzard buff.)
Spirit blade, combat clarity, Fade Shield, Knight protector, resurgance, and mark of the rift
MY bar is every spirit skill (I was going to drop Revive when I grabbed healing mist's revive upgrade, the extra potion slot, and tested it on a revenant. Oddly enough unupgraded it's a full HP revive. It wasn't like that when I first got it.) Immolate, winters grasp, and resurgance. and spirit blade if course.

Okay, that is strange. KE needs Fade Step to close to melee distance quickly. And you really ought to take upgraded Fade Cloak, it's your secret weapon against bosses.

But the main point is that you have all the right passives for cooldown and mana regen. So no problems there.

It occurs to me that Clean Burn ought to work whether you hit something not, all it needs is a successful spell cast. Are you not able to spam SB even with no targets nearby?

[AnUnculturedLittlePotato]

Okay, that is strange. KE needs Fade Step to close to melee distance quickly. And you really ought to take upgraded Fade Cloak, it's your secret weapon against bosses.

But the main point is that you have all the right passives for cooldown and mana regen. So no problems there.

It occurs to me that Clean Burn ought to work whether you hit something not, all it needs is a successful spell cast. Are you not able to spam SB even with no targets nearby?

It fixes the side step issue but not the hitting only once and then sheathing it before doing it again.
Yeah it does and is better but that's...a little weird, no?
Where do I put fade cloak and Fade Step? I'm trying to be more supportive and less offensive so I'm not sure fade step is useful?
I've tried fade cloak on a keeper in MP and I miss a lot. It feels more finicky then it should be.

[capn233]

Fade Cloak works a bit better when you are the host, so if you weren't hosting in MP that might be part of it.  In SP you are always the host, and it isn't as bad to use, IMO.

 

I am not sure what role specifically you are trying to fill with KE as support, but KE in general is best at close range to enemies, which is why Fade Step is quite helpful.  Your mana regens faster near enemies if you have taken Combat Clarity.

 

I actually dropped the entire spirit tree on my KE when I tried to depower it, but if I were you I might consider keeping only Barrier and Dispel from that tree, or at least only using those two as actives.

 

As far as your ice tree and plans, there are two problems on KE.  First is that KE is fairly barrier centric and ice armor doesn't really help you while barrier is up.  Secondly, Blizzard is kind of a mana hog, and I think you can get decent enough area CC near yourself with Disruption Field instead.

 

Alternatively, since you already have points in the fire tree, you could grab Fire Wall for a bit of CC and damage.  A lot of people like Fire Mine on KE, but that usually seems more offensive to me rather than support.

 

So skill bar something like this:

 

SB, Immolate, Fade Step, Fade Cloak, Barrier, Dispel, Firewall, Resurgence

[AnUnculturedLittlePotato]

Fade Cloak works a bit better when you are the host, so if you weren't hosting in MP that might be part of it.  In SP you are always the host, and it isn't as bad to use, IMO.

 

I am not sure what role specifically you are trying to fill with KE as support, but KE in general is best at close range to enemies, which is why Fade Step is quite helpful.  Your mana regens faster near enemies if you have taken Combat Clarity.

 

I actually dropped the entire spirit tree on my KE when I tried to depower it, but if I were you I might consider keeping only Barrier and Dispel from that tree, or at least only using those two as actives.

 

As far as your ice tree and plans, there are two problems on KE.  First is that KE is fairly barrier centric and ice armor doesn't really help you while barrier is up.  Secondly, Blizzard is kind of a mana hog, and I think you can get decent enough area CC near yourself with Disruption Field instead.

 

Alternatively, since you already have points in the fire tree, you could grab Fire Wall for a bit of CC and damage.  A lot of people like Fire Mine on KE, but that usually seems more offensive to me rather than support.

 

So skill bar something like this:

 

SB, Immolate, Fade Step, Fade Cloak, Barrier, Dispel, Firewall, Resurgence

Too many fire spells is a pain and Dorian already has that dreaded fire wall.
Ya know it might be caused by lag from a whole bunch of spell effects. My support role is mainly to spam barrier on allies and CC not really damage them. Not that I'm not trying to hurt them I suppose. Blizzard is an AOE freeze/chill so Blizzard + mind blast + upgrade COULD be coolio. Ice armor + blizzard is also pretty swell dealing with assassins.
I guess all I can really do is try it. TR's aren't THAT expensive, even if I do need to grab like 8 short list schematics and like 5 BE weapon schematics.

[The Baconer]

What you experiencing (the Warden shuffle reborn) is crappy physics and target-tracking, quite possibly aggrandized by Qunari hit/hurtboxes. Are you locking onto enemies when this happens? I would try going unlocked and manually angling the attacks, but this probably won't get rid of the problem completely (still happens with my Reaver and Dragon Rage)

[AnUnculturedLittlePotato]

What you experiencing (the Warden shuffle reborn) is crappy physics and target-tracking, quite possibly aggrandized by Qunari hit/hurtboxes. Are you locking onto enemies when this happens? I would try going unlocked and manually angling the attacks, but this probably won't get rid of the problem completely (still happens with my Reaver and Dragon Rage)

Doesn't spirit blade auto lock?

[Bigdawg13]

Doesn't spirit blade auto lock?

It doesn't for me.

[PapaCharlie9]

My support role is mainly to spam barrier on allies and CC not really damage them. 

So, in other words, a Rift Mage without Stonefist. Seriously, I think a Rift Mage, maybe with a Superb Cooldown Amulet, would have been a better fit for that role. Hard to beat Rift Mage for CC and mana regen.

 

That said, I like the challenge of bending established wisdom for builds to new roles. The tough part here is figuring out how to spam SB without becoming the main damage dealer of the party. Again, I think Fade Step is the answer. Barrier, Fade Step in, do some SB damage to set Barrier up again, Fade Step or just run out, if mana is too low. Repeat.

[Dabrikishaw]

If all you want to do is be a Supporting Knight Enchanter, spec into Spirit and take Barrier, Dispel, Mind Blast, Revive. Then take Chain Lighting and upgrade it, it will be your main source of gaining Barrier. After that go for Disruption Field and Fade Cloak and upgrade them. Your final skill is going to be Resurgence.

[AnUnculturedLittlePotato]

So, in other words, a Rift Mage without Stonefist. Seriously, I think a Rift Mage, maybe with a Superb Cooldown Amulet, would have been a better fit for that role. Hard to beat Rift Mage for CC and mana regen.

 

That said, I like the challenge of bending established wisdom for builds to new roles. The tough part here is figuring out how to spam SB without becoming the main damage dealer of the party. Again, I think Fade Step is the answer. Barrier, Fade Step in, do some SB damage to set Barrier up again, Fade Step or just run out, if mana is too low. Repeat.

It's not that I want to AVOID being a good damage dealer it's that I don't want to focus being a damage dealer.
I like that plan though. Funnily enough if I spam SB I actually never really run out of barrier on anyone that I got the first time. It goes off CD by then.

[Elhanan]

I utilize the Pause key when in melee due to my own limited reflexes, and find it best to alternate Spirit Blade with another spell, esp Fade Cloak. As I do not use Floating Text, I am uncertain of what specifically occurred, but that routine plus another combo effect from someone else in the party appeared to one shot a Giant as he was jumping on the Inq.

[AnUnculturedLittlePotato]

So I actually almost died because of that stupid spirit blade bug.
Full mana only use 1 spirit blade attack and fully put it away, not go through the full combo. Really annoying.

[Mordray Darkblood]

So I actually almost died because of that stupid spirit blade bug.
Full mana only use 1 spirit blade attack and fully put it away, not go through the full combo. Really annoying.

Wow... are you on PC by chance?

 

If yes... is your internet connection fast enough that you would be willing to download the game again?

 

If both are yes... Delete the game's root folder completely and tell Origin to repair the game... that will redownload the game and hopefully whatever is wrong in your files will be corrected...

[AnUnculturedLittlePotato]

Wow... are you on PC by chance?

 

If yes... is your internet connection fast enough that you would be willing to download the game again?

 

If both are yes... Delete the game's root folder completely and tell Origin to repair the game... that will redownload the game and hopefully whatever is wrong in your files will be corrected...

Well it'll take 5 hours but I might be able to.
I doubt that would fix it. Why not just repair it as is?