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If relays are present in ME:A


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If the presence of relays is confirmed in ME:A wouldn't that mean that the Reapers had been to the Andromeda Galaxy as well as the reapers have been harvesting this galaxy as well? Granted I have not seen any information or screen shots that show the presence of any type of relays to travel from one part of the Andromeda galaxy to another part of the Andromeda galaxy.

 



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Yes. The Reapers invented the Mass Relays, so if there are Mass Relays in Andromeda that means that the Reapers have been to Andromeda in the past to harvest it like they do the Milky Way. 


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Or, the Protheans themselves had an Ark ship during their cycle, and upon arriving in Andromeda, proceeded to engineer their own relays from their knowledge of Reaper tech. And then they turn out to be the enemies in the new game since they're ruling that galaxy the same they ruled ours. Assimilate or be destroyed. 



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Or, the Protheans themselves had an Ark ship during their cycle, and upon arriving in Andromeda, proceeded to engineer their own relays from their knowledge of Reaper tech. And then they turn out to be the enemies in the new game since they're ruling that galaxy the same they ruled ours. Assimilate or be destroyed. 

 

That could be interesting to say the least and they could be different from Javik considering the years gap. 



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Or maybe highly advanced races within the Andromeda galaxy made their own relays? Reapers didn't invent the idea of travelling at FTL. Without Reapers harvesting advanced species every 50,000 years there could be hyper-advanced races in the Andromeda with technology that surpasses the Reapers'.
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If the reapers did harvest other galaxies besides the milky way, this would make for an interesting power vacuum in many galaxies as the reset switch is no longer present. I guess it would also mean that the reapers were not in sleep mode during the time between cycles in the milky way. But until there is some sort of stationary relay revealed, this is just a shot in the dark and speculation on my part.

 

The Prothean aspect would be an interesting twist as well, but if (Big If) the reapers did harvest other galaxies and built relays in them I wonder how many other powers took the prothean route as we have seen in the Javik story line and actually pulled it off. I mean having a section of their population hiding with its peak level of technology from before the harvest would provide for some interesting and powerful enemies.

 

So far the only thing that seems to be present is the Andromeda galaxy is in a dark age type description in regards to galactic civilization, and I like many others have just been trying to figure out and speculate why this area is in a dark age.


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That could be interesting to say the least and they could be different from Javik considering the years gap. 

 

Their civilization could have risen and even collapsed over 50,000 years! It doesn't mean they became hyper advanced. There could simply be a pocket of them left. They may have had their golden age, but now this pocket of their civilization doesn't remember how to build the stuff.



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So far the only thing that seems to be present is the Andromeda galaxy is in a dark age type description in regards to galactic civilization, and I like many others have just been trying to figure out and speculate why this area is in a dark age.


Where are you getting that?

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Or maybe highly advanced races within the Andromeda galaxy made their own relays? Reapers didn't invent the idea of travelling at FTL. Without Reapers harvesting advanced species every 50,000 years there could be hyper-advanced races in the Andromeda with technology that surpasses the Reapers'.

I'm left to wonder then what could have caused such a civilization to go into a dark age, possible a technological nova or something.

 

But it would be interesting to find a civilization that fought the reapers to a stand still, but had their civilization smashed from the war itself.

 

But back to the harvest and the (possible) presence of relays, if the Reaper were conducting and experiment as they stated what would have been their control group? I'm not talking about control as in the sense of the Destroy, control and synthesis, but rather the experiment model of control group where there is an experimental group with the stimuli added and the control group without the stimuli added. 



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Where are you getting this "dark age" stuff? All we've seen of Andromeda is a few planets, a Krogan, some blurry enemies and some machines breaking out of the ground.

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Where are you getting that?

The leak, maybe? 



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The leak, maybe?


Nope. Just re-read the leaked survey and there's nothing about the Andromeda galaxy or Helius cluster being in a "dark age."

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The talk about Remnant ruins and artifacts implies at least a relative dark age going on.  You don't go raiding dangerous ancient ruins for tech unless it's higher than the general level of technology.

 

But it doesn't particularly imply that the current technology and general state of things in Andromeda is lower than that of the Milky Way pre-Reaper invasion.



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The talk about Remnant ruins and artifacts implies at least a relative dark age going on.


...no it doesn't. Did Prothean ruins and artifacts in the Milky Way mean that we were in a dark age during the trilogy?
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...no it doesn't. Did Prothean ruins and artifacts in the Milky Way mean that we were in a dark age during the trilogy?

 

Relatively, yes.



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Relatively, yes.

 Uh, no.



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 Uh, no.

 

Uh, yes.  If you're in a situation where finding a past civilisation's tech can be revolutionary, then you're in a dark age relative to that past civilisation.  Or at best, late medieval.



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Uh, yes. If you're in a situation where finding a past civilisation's tech can be revolutionary, then you're in a dark age relative to that past civilisation. Or at best, late medieval.


That's nonsense. The Roman Empire could have learned a lot from past empires but they were still the most advanced empire ever at their time. Primitive civilizations that exist today have known of medicinal benefits of various flora that advanced, Western medical scientists had no idea about but that doesn't make those primitive people more advanced than the medical scientists.

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Oh, and the Protheans weren't even much more advanced than us. Most of their technological advancement was Reaper tech that they also inherited and their sensory interface tech was more akin to magic than advanced technology since its based on their inherent magical ability.

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The term Dark Ages isn't really applicable in this case. The term Dark Ages was given to Medieval Europe because during those times it was seen as though there wasn't much culture or advancement. A more modern use of the term is to express how we don't know much about those times, being "in the dark" about them. Same reason why we call Dark Matter and Dark Energy those terms.



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Knowledge of a few handy plants isn't really comparable to the Asari domination for 2 centuries being ascribed to having limited exclusive access to a Prothean beacon.



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Knowledge of a few handy plants isn't really comparable to the Asari domination for 2 centuries being ascribed to having limited exclusive access to a Prothean beacon.


And being a few centuries behind a previous galactic society does make Mass Effect a dark age.

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Uh, yes.  If you're in a situation where finding a past civilisation's tech can be revolutionary, then you're in a dark age relative to that past civilisation.  Or at best, late medieval.

 there's technologies lost to time in our own real world that the most brilliant minds on the planet today cannot replicate (Greek Fire, Starlite etc). We are certainly not in a dark age. 

 

 

 

In Mass Effect, galactic civilization is at its peak. We know this because the Reapers harvest when we arrive at that peak. This is in-game information. The Protheans being better at certain things than our current cycle, in no way renders our time as a dark age. 



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We can replicate Greek Fire's effect, we just don't know how precisely they did it.  No one is going to go digging around in Byzantine ruins looking to gain a military advantage.

 

The importance given to recovering prothean artifacts is inconsistent with current technology being at a comparable level.



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We can replicate Greek Fire's effect, we just don't know how precisely they did it. No one is going to go digging around in Byzantine ruins looking to gain a military advantage.

The importance given to recovering prothean artifacts is inconsistent with current technology being at a comparable level.


Theres still people looking for the recipe of Damascus Steel, since even though we have good steel, it'd give us more information on the substance.