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[myahele]

Wow it really does seem like Greek/roman mythology now:

 

Titans existed and at one point were doing whatever, perhaps "shaping the world." Either they're asleep willingly or not is another matter, but it seems as if they're all resting or else the Titan we encountered would be roaming free.Then there's the elvhen codex entry about elves hunting pillars of the earth (titans) and killing it's workers. I do believe that Ancient Elves probably did something (on purpose) to sever their connection to their Titans. They might even thing it was the right thing to do, after all: Free will?

 

Then Elgar'nan showing up defeating his father and burying him underneath the Earth which we know is the domain of Titans. Not sure where Dragons in all of this.

 

The rest is history.

 

Now that we know that Lyrium veins are literally veins of the titans and we saw a "heart" then perhaps the Red Lyrium Idol was once part of a Titan? Look at it's base, looks like it was ripped off, perhaps the Forgotten Thaig hosted a part of a Titan, somehow got corrupted and before the infection spread somebody/thing cut and sealed it off?

 

[Uccio]

I don´t know,

Spoiler

mage dwarves?

 

Kind of ruins the setting. 

[Master Warder Z_]

I don´t know,

Spoiler

mage dwarves?

 

Kind of ruins the setting. 

 

I'm really not surprised, Weekes goes crazy over **** like this.

 

He's going to twist the lore and narrative to spew whatever god awful ideas he has festering in his mind.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

I'm really not surprised, Weekes goes crazy over **** like this.

 

He's going to twist the lore and narrative to spew whatever god awful ideas he has festering in his mind.

 

He doesn't. The mage dwarves is alot like D&D Clerics and Paladins, not Wizards or Sorcerers. They draw power from god-like beings.

 

By the light of Pelor !...Umm..By the light of Titans !

 

Also...

 

When going through the gates that required gears and special carvings, the notes on them implied the carver sacrificed his child to be able to do it. And one of the mugs we find is from Bodahn.

 

Maybe the carver's son who was sacrificed is Sandal?

[Master Warder Z_]

He doesn't. 

 

Are you sure we are talking about the same guy?

 

He's treating DA lore like it's toilet paper just like he said he would if he felt like it.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Are you sure we are talking about the same guy?

 

He's treating DA lore like it's toilet paper just like he said he would if he felt like it.

 

Evidence ?

[Master Warder Z_]

Evidence ?

 

I can't be bothered to dig up that old tweet where he said he would 'adapt' the lore to fit the direction of the narrative, its nearly a year old now.

 

Feel free to dig through his tweets though, If I remember correctly its around November of last year shortly after DAI's launch.

[Boost32]

I don´t know,

Spoiler

mage dwarves?

Kind of ruins the setting.

She is not really a mage, she is more of a geomancer that can use those magical power because of her connection with the Titan.
There are some dwarves in the DLC with the same power, I think they are called Earthshatter.

[Ranadiel Marius]

Spoiler

2) The Titans were erased from dwarven records by the Shaperate, because the economy of the dwarven kingdoms would collapse without lyrium, the lifeblood of the Titans. A race of super-massive creatures, forgotten, erased from all records. I would argue that the way these facts were presented points strongly towards the Titans actually being the creatures we know as the Forgotten Ones!

Titans can't be the Forgotten Ones. We encounter the hide out of one of the Forgotten Ones in JoH and it is smaller than the Inq's bedroom. A Titan could not fit in there.

[myahele]

Titan is an anagram of Taint

 

Therefore, the Taint originated from a blighted (or is it naturally blighted) Titan

[Uccio]

He doesn't. The mage dwarves is alot like D&D Clerics and Paladins, not Wizards or Sorcerers. They draw power from god-like beings.

 

Well, going from non-magical beings to casting still ruins it.

[MisterJB]

Titans can't be the Forgotten Ones. We encounter the hide out of one of the Forgotten Ones in JoH and it is smaller than the Inq's bedroom. A Titan could not fit in there.

Imshael is a Forbidden One, 4 extremely powerful demons.

Presumably, they are different entitites.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

This was in my face all along but I only noticed it now...

 

TITAN is an anagram for TAINT !

 

Could this be just a coincidence or something MOAR ?

[Ranadiel Marius]

Imshael is a Forbidden One, 4 extremely powerful demons.
Presumably, they are different entitites.

Umm okay? I wasn't talking about Imshael, and to the best of my recollection, Imshael isn't in JoH so I'm not sure why you thought I was. O.o

Edit: For the sake of clarity I am referring to Geldauren's hide out.

[M4RVELOUS_MiKE]

Titans can't be the Forgotten Ones. We encounter the hide out of one of the Forgotten Ones in JoH and it is smaller than the Inq's bedroom. A Titan could not fit in there.

With JoH I assume that you mean that vague hint dropped inside the temple, unlocked by collecting all the shards? That is only speculation. And with the Titan seemingly capable of conjuring its guardian at will, I don't see why it couldn't do the same for a smaller creature like an elf, a man or a dwarf to act as an instrument to its will.

[Ranadiel Marius]

With JoH I assume that you mean that vague hint dropped inside the temple, unlocked by collecting all the shards? That is only speculation. And with the Titan seemingly capable of conjuring its guardian at will, I don't see why it couldn't do the same for a smaller creature like an elf, a man or a dwarf to act as an instrument to its will.

So Geldauran just summoned an elf so the elf could write about Geldauran's beefs with the Elvhan gods in a room that Geldauran can't enter which just happens to have a tomb bed thing that happens to exist in at least one other Elvhen Temple? I don't buy it.

[M4RVELOUS_MiKE]

So Geldauran just summoned an elf so the elf could write about Geldauran's beefs with the Elvhan gods in a room that Geldauran can't enter which just happens to have a tomb bed thing that happens to exist in at least one other Elvhen Temple? I don't buy it.

The conjuring example that I made was simply made to point out an incorrect assumption you made, when stating that a Titan wouldn't fit inside of a smaller area. It was not directly related to Geldauran. Sorry if that was how it appeared. English is not my native language  

 

For that matter Geldauran could just have been an elven mage who knew that the Pantheon weren't gods. Considering Solas (Fen'Harel's) personal stance on the matter it's safe to say that there must have been a pretty sizeable group who opposed the idea of the Pantheon being gods even at that time.

 

You also gotta admit that the codex fragments about Andruil and the Void sure seem to hint at the Titans. They are quite clearly the Pillars of the Earth, and the Forgotten Ones apparently recided in the part of the Void called the Abyss, which is part of the name of the lower regions of the deep roads that you travel into, during the Descent DLC. And armor made out of the void? And we just so happen to encounter dwarves who made their own skins into armors, by fusing lyrium into it. Not to mention that the Elgar'nan and his father the sun codex entry, holds some scary similarities to Zeus and Cronus in greek mythology. You gotta admit those are some pretty strong hints 

[TeffexPope]

I seriously thought we would get a crossbow schematic at some point. In the end I suppose it doesn't make a huge difference over a bow, gameplay wise, but the way you can edit Varric's crossbow is cool. Though I would think that's because he has to use Bianca for the lore to make sense, and the extra 'arms' upgrade that raises its damage output is necessary for the up scaling of enemy levels as you level up..

[Ranadiel Marius]

For that matter Geldauran could just have been an elven mage who knew that the Pantheon weren't gods. Considering Solas (Fen'Harel's) personal stance on the matter it's safe to say that there must have been a pretty sizeable group who opposed the idea of the Pantheon being gods even at that time.

Except that Geldauran was established as a member of the Forgotten Ones in a DAO codex. http://dragonage.wik..._The_Dread_Wolf

[Dr. Doctor]

She is not really a mage, she is more of a geomancer that can use those magical power because of her connection with the Titan.
There are some dwarves in the DLC with the same power, I think they are called Earthshatter.

It might be that the Ancient Dwarves had the ability to reshape the earth because they were connected to the Titans. It would explain how they were able to build the Deep Roads. It could also explain this excerpt from the Fariel's Tomb quest:

The sun burned above oceans of sand,
but in the sand was Stone, strong and true.
Fairel hewed the Stone, and built──as great as any thaig in the deep.
And with his sons' help, he ensured the thaig prospered and grew.

[M4RVELOUS_MiKE]

Except that Geldauran was established as a member of the Forgotten Ones in a DAO codex. http://dragonage.wik..._The_Dread_Wolf

I stand corrected on that one. I completely forgot that there had been three Forgotten Ones, whos names were known 

 

The name Geldauran still has an interesting ring to it though. Wonder if the name is elven or potentially more ancient? Somewhere the CEO's of EA and Bioware sits in their chairs laughing loudly. So one game to solve the elven puzzle, one for the dwarven/titan puzzle, one for the old gods and the blight and at least one more for the forgotten ones. Talk about writting yourself into cash grab paradise 

[Aulis Vaara]

Titans can't be the Forgotten Ones. We encounter the hide out of one of the Forgotten Ones in JoH and it is smaller than the Inq's bedroom. A Titan could not fit in there.

The elven gods had more than one enemy, but the modern elves don't know this. Geldauran et al. aren't Forgotten Ones, they were just put in that category by the Dalish. Likewise, Fen'Harel was not in league with the Forgotten Ones, but with rebels, after all, he is the rebel wolf.

[Ranadiel Marius]

The elven gods had more than one enemy, but the modern elves don't know this. Geldauran et al. aren't Forgotten Ones, they were just put in that category by the Dalish. Likewise, Fen'Harel was not in league with the Forgotten Ones, but with rebels, after all, he is the rebel wolf.

Your evidence for the group of enemies that Geldauran being apart of not being the Forgotten Ones is what exactly? I mean Geldauran's claim explicitly states that he is going to be forgotten.

[Aulis Vaara]

Your evidence for the group of enemies that Geldauran being apart of not being the Forgotten Ones is what exactly? I mean Geldauran's claim explicitly states that he is going to be forgotten.

The fact that Geldauran doesn't seem like a god of pestilence and malice. I'm sure he was also "forgotten", but I have a hard time believing some rebel became powerful enough to rival the gods without their aid.

On top of that, locking the Forgotten Ones in the Abyss seems like it is talking about the Titans with the new information we have. Geldauran is clearly not a Titan.

[Ranadiel Marius]

The fact that Geldauran doesn't seem like a god of pestilence and malice. I'm sure he was also "forgotten", but I have a hard time believing some rebel became powerful enough to rival the gods without their aid.

On top of that, locking the Forgotten Ones in the Abyss seems like it is talking about the Titans with the new information we have. Geldauran is clearly not a Titan.

Geldauran's " portfolio" appears as though it is supposed to be ice, winter, or something along those (possibly as an opposite of Sylaise). Both of which are regularly associated with death, which certainly fits with the general perception of the Forgotten Ones, while allowing for a more positive view as well should Bioware choose to portray the Forgotten Ones as not being as evil as Dalish stories portray them.

I don't see why it is hard to believe the Forgotten Ones are Elvhes who gained strong powers when the Elvhen Gods are heavily implied to be the same.

And what is this new information that supposedly proves that the pillars of the earth are the Forgotten Ones?