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Origin of golems and the rock wraiths, a fan theory.


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I did one of my usual half-asleep brain storm sessions last night, where I think about details of games I've played and sometimes think up theories. First off, got to get this out of the way, golems were not made by Caridin. Well, okay, he made them... But he wasn't the first. There are golems in the primeval, which predate Caridin by several ages. So ancient dwarves invented them, but the information was lost (more on that later).
 
I think the thaig was an experimental engineering facility where golems were originally made. Further, I think the rock wraiths are prototype golems. It makes sense. Lyrium absorbs people and memories, and it's how dwarven ancestors live on in the stone via becoming part of the collective memories and minds of all the dwarves absorbed by lyrium. But what if you were to let lyrium absorb someone and keep them cut off from the rest of the lyrium in the world? When molten lyrium is poured into a dwarf in the armor of a golem, the lyrium quite literally eats the dwarf alive inside the armor. From there, their memories and personality are assimilated into the lyrium. Shale for example isn't truly Shayle Cadash, she's a woman who died a very long time ago. Shale even says as much in a conversation to Leliana I got last playthrough. What happened was Shayle was absorbed by lyrium and her body and mind became one with it, her mind and consciousness became the lyrium's consciousness inside the golem. So Shale is still who she used to be, I'm not saying the lyrium became a replica of her who merely acts like her.
 
With that in mind, what do you suppose a dwarf, or Shale, actually looks like under all that armor? Well, it would probably be some weird skeletal lyrium in the vague shape of a person... Oh yeah, like this-
 
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Don't focus on the rocks, look at the core of it. That is what is inside golems, and that is what a golem like Shale has deep inside their armored exterior. The rocks are the early form of golem armor, what they were using in their golem prototypes. They hadn't yet started using real armor yet, since it was still in the early stages and was still quite crude. Over time they must have added more and more armor, first full coverage rocks and finally full coverage metal. But I think something went wrong. They were aggressive and attacked everything and anything that moved. What's more, the damnable things would absorb other lyrium instead of other organic matter.
 
Or maybe they were stable for a while, but somehow red lyrium happened. Or maybe the idiots actually used red lyrium in place of blue lyrium, which is the reason they were insane. They probably thought that it being more potent would make a stronger creature, so they used the red stuff instead. After they all went nuts, I suspect the researchers ran, completely abandoning it to the golem prototypes. And I suspect the reason that the dwarves forgot about it was that it was a very well kept secret known only to the highest ranked people in the dwarven empire's government. Such things exist even in the real world, highly secret facilities that are known to only a few. When they fled, they probably erased all records of it to be sure no one stumbled on it easily. The golem process was refined somewhere else and they stationed one of the earliest true golems just outside of the entrance to where the prototypes were, as a guard. But I think that once they (the top government officials who oversaw the project) realized how easy it would be to abuse, they had the foresight to realize it was a bad idea and erased all knowledge of golems. They made sure no mention of them made it into history, none at all. Knowledge of golems only existed in the minds of the people who made them, after that.
 
So how did Caridin figure it out? His journal said he had dreams of it... DREAMS?! Dwarves don't dream unless they're wardens dreaming of the darkspawn, so the dreams must have been the ancestors in the lyrium showing him how to make them. Why would they? Darkspawn. The lyrium collective of ancestors saw how the darkspawn and the blight were tearing their kingdom to pieces, and knew that there was only one hope for the dwarven people at that point: Golems. So they went to the most brilliant inventor that generation had and gave him the knowledge of how precisely to create golems, despite all the risks of it being easily abused. And it was worth it, it's only thanks to golems that underground dwarven culture lives on at all. But of course, we know how it went from there... It got abused, just as predicted.
 
 
 
Still, there are some gaps in this idea. Like why there was a freaky idol made of red lyrium, why were Claws of Dumat sprinkled everywhere, what in the ancestors name was up with the uber rock wraith that was the boss of that place. Although, on that last one... Look at its coloring.
 
 
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Why, it's red lyrium. Guess I was right about them using it in place of the regular lyrium for at least one of their prototypes. I think something about the weaker ones somehow recolored the lyrium. Or maybe they had blue lyrium and the red lyrium one somehow took control of the other ones like a massive insane control rod and it's the reason they all went crazy.
 
 
 
 
 
Anyway, I don't know how much I believe all of this. But it was a fun brain storm, and I think I hit a bullseye on at least some of this. I absolutely thing they were a precursor to the golems and that they same process used to make rock wraiths is the same one used for golems with the only difference being that golems get a lot more armor (enough to fully cover their lyrium skeleton).
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this makes a lot of sense..perhaps the profane and rock wraiths are a natrual result when lyrium gets broken off from the larger whole and it draws in a spirit and takes on aspects of that spirit. some would be confused by a new body and go insane or like you said the big one was to be a general golem to lead an army and got corrupted driving them all insane.



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this makes a lot of sense..perhaps the profane and rock wraiths are a natrual result when lyrium gets broken off from the larger whole and it draws in a spirit and takes on aspects of that spirit. some would be confused by a new body and go insane or like you said the big one was to be a general golem to lead an army and got corrupted driving them all insane.

 

So you think they're natural? Maybe... I still think it makes more sense that it's what is left of a person who was made into a golem, the lyrium taking a rough shape of part of your skeleton. The shape seems to humanoid to simply be lyrium itself. And it has a skull, an actual skull made of bone. That's a pretty good indicator that it's the leftovers of someone, I don't think possession would cause lyrium to grow bones.



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So you think they're natural? Maybe... I still think it makes more sense that it's what is left of a person who was made into a golem, the lyrium taking a rough shape of part of your skeleton. The shape seems to humanoid to simply be lyrium itself. And it has a skull, an actual skull made of bone. That's a pretty good indicator that it's the leftovers of someone, I don't think possession would cause lyrium to grow bones.

could be made when a dwarf dies in the deeproads and lyrium either spills onto or some how touches the body. give more to the foundation of the dwarven faith being that they return to the stone when they die. this closeness to lyrium is made very clear by their resistance to its harmful effects and why they do not dream. I beleave cole makes note of this is you ask him about templars and verric. they reach for something past magic something older((para phrasing)) and to me that is a connection to the void. The void we know to be a real place as it is mentioned a lot in elven lore. We also know that the Void has creatures that live with in it as that hunter god entered in to hunt them many times. to me Elves are born of the fade where dwarves are born of the void. humans are born of thadas and the qunari are an experiment gone wrong. each race has its own origin that is separate from another. 



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Wait... There are claws of Dumat in the primeval thaig?

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Hey! The pics shrank! Ugh... I'll need to do something.

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There, done. That was really weird, the wiki images themselves were small even on the actual wiki. I found a way to post the full sized versions again, but it could happen again (agh, redundant sentence). If it does I'll have to just put text links, but that will remove some of the impact of the images <_<.



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Now, back on topic.
 

Wait... There are claws of Dumat in the primeval thaig?

 
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Maybe it's because the bottom picture is so low res, but I don't see the similarity.

OK no wait, it's blurrier, but definitely the same thing. That is... Interesting.

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Maybe it's because the bottom picture is so low res, but I don't see the similarity.


Low res? Reload the page, I specifically put up high res versions (well, 800 by *something* res anyway). They should be very detailed.

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Low res? Reload the page, I specifically put up high res versions (well, 800 by *something* res anyway). They should be very detailed.

Reloaded and now it's doing it right. Very obvious now.

Do you think they were built before the first Breach, or after? Either way, it's possible that the primeval thaig was the entrance or exit of the Magisters when they went to the Black City. If so, the Red Lyrium in the thaig came about the same way as the Red Lyrium at the Temple Of Sacred Ashes, by being corrupted through the Breach. This would mean the Taint does not predate the Black City after all. At least, not on the Thedas side.

What if the reason this is not part of dwarven history is because they were complicit in the act. Perhaps the dwarves say the darkspawn were always there for the same reason Tevinter says in wasn't they who did it.