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[The_Shade]

I just found it odd that almost every other demon form makes a return in DAI but, not desire demons. 

 

A breach has opened in the sky and there are a myriad of fade rifts across Thedas allowing almost a bottomless bucket of demons the ability to leave the fade and enter the physical world. Yet, throughout my travels from Ferelden to Orlais I've hardly seen any. To my knowledge, the only desire demon I've come across in two countries is Imshael and it happens to be one of the four forbidden ones anyway. 

 

Did Bioware or DAI provide any reasoning behind this that I missed in the codex? Because from a lore perspective it seems somewhat odd, especially given the circumstances. If not, why not bring them back for the sake of world consistency (as trivial as it is to some) or give some reasoning as to why they are absent in a time of war when individuals now more than ever desire power. 

[caradoc2000]

HoF and Hawke already killed them all.

[The_Shade]

HoF and Hawke already killed them all.

 

Really? I wasn't aware there was a limit. Do you have a source for this? 

[The_Shade]

Does anyone know what happened here? 

[Dutch's Ghost]

SJW's and that Bioware now finds the design too sexist.

This is why we can't have nice things.

[The_Shade]

SJW's and that Bioware now finds the design too sexist.

This is why we can't have nice things.

 

If true, that's queer. You could claim the same about Iron Bull and the fact he has his chest out 

in all Skyhold cutscenes whether you like it or not.  

[thats1evildude]

Fake answer: They're all at a party with the abominations, werewolves and sylvans.

 

Real answer: Most of the demons in DAI correspond to a specific type of elemental attack. Rage demons use fire, despair demons use cold, terror demons use spirit damage and pride demons employ lightning. (Shades are pure melee mooks and wraiths are ranged mooks.)

 

I suspect desire demons were left out because they wanted to make room for despair demons and terror demons, and because the powers of desire demons have always been kinda vaguely-defined. They were also a bit over-used in DA2, so they may want to make them a bit more rare. Also, because people keep complaining about the half-naked models, it was like killing two birds with one stone.

 

Desire demons do appear as statues in the game, and Dorian does mention meeting one.

[The_Shade]

  

[The_Shade]

Real answer: Most of the demons in DAI correspond to a specific type of elemental attack. Rage demons use fire, despair demons use cold, terror demons use spirit damage and pride demons employ lightning. (Shades are pure melee mooks and wraiths are ranged mooks.)

 

I suspect desire demons were left out because they wanted to make room for despair demons and terror demons, and because the powers of desire demons have always been kinda vaguely-defined. They were also a bit over-used in DA2, so they may want to make them a bit more rare. Also, because people keep complaining about the half-naked models, it was like killing two birds with one stone.

 

Desire demons do appear as statues in the game, and Dorian does mention meeting one.

 

Ah fair enough, that sounds logical to me. 

[daveliam]

Wow, FIVE whole posts until someone came in clutching their pearls about SJWs.  BSN is nothing if not consistent, huh?

[daveliam]

But seriously, thats1evildude's answer was really the correct one. 

[AresKeith]

Wow, FIVE whole posts until someone came in clutching their pearls about SJWs.  BSN is nothing if not consistent, huh?

 

Nah it's only the usual suspects 

[ThePhoenixKing]

I do hope they bring them back in future installments. If they feel the need to do a redesign, I don't mind it on principle, but the Desire Demon is one of those classic adversaries in the franchise, it'd be a shame not to have them again.

[Adiatorix I Megas]

I do hope they bring them back in future installments. If they feel the need to do a redesign, I don't mind it on principle, but the Desire Demon is one of those classic adversaries in the franchise, it'd be a shame not to have them again.

 

Decking them out in jewellery and silks from head to toe isn't a bad idea, I feel. And a chalice is always welcome. 

[Ariella]

I'm glad we only saw one desire demon, and that he was used the way a desire demon should rather than just random rift encounters.

Desire and Pride are the highest orders of demons according to lore. They're intelligent, cunning, and not blunt objects. they should have stuck with rage, despair, and terror demons. Pride and desire should be rare boss figts with story backing or someone like Mouse in DAO.

[9TailsFox]

Decking them out in jewellery and silks from head to toe isn't a bad idea, I feel. And a chalice is always welcome. 

Yes jewellery 

[Panda]

DAI has desire demon, Imshael. Bioware also excluded other demons like Sloth from DAI and introduced tons of new demons.

 

It has nothing to do with SJW's, since people have been asking for either gender-neutral desire demons or desire demons for both sexes, never seen any ask for them to be cut completely. "Because of SJW's!" is just popular complain and usually baseless one.

 

My guess is that design was changed, because desire demons tackle different desires humans have, they aren't simply sexual desire demons and DAO's and DA2's design of desire demons didn't fit this. Dorian still comments about handsome desire demon that tried to seduce him so probaply desire demons who take form that is sexual are still around, we just don't see them in DAI.

[Liveshiptrader]

The real answer is that they removed it as the Desire demons had a very sexual look and the current writers are really "progressive" so that sort of thing isn't allowed any more when it comes to female characters.

 

Desire demons where the most iconic of the lot, you interacted with Desire demons outside of combat more than any other. The what they represent idea doesn't fly when you could say the exact same thing for the other demons that kept there same iconic looks, when the main writer says he has a problem with straight people this is what you end up with. 

[FKA_Servo]

DAI has desire demon, Imshael. Bioware also excluded other demons like Sloth from DAI and introduced tons of new demons.

 

*Choice Spirit.

 

The real answer is that they removed it as the Desire demons had a very sexual look and the current writers are really "progressive" so that sort of thing isn't allowed any more when it comes to female characters.

 

Desire demons where the most iconic of the lot, you interacted with Desire demons outside of combat more than any other. The what they represent idea doesn't fly when you could say the exact same thing for the other demons that kept there same iconic looks, when the main writer says he has a problem with straight people this is what you end up with. 

 

We all need to seek out our own personal truths.

[Ariella]

The real answer is that they removed it as the Desire demons had a very sexual look and the current writers are really "progressive" so that sort of thing isn't allowed any more when it comes to female characters.
 
Desire demons where the most iconic of the lot, you interacted with Desire demons outside of combat more than any other. The what they represent idea doesn't fly when you could say the exact same thing for the other demons that kept there same iconic looks, when the main writer says he has a problem with straight people this is what you end up with.

First provide a quote. Second, considering desires means a lot of things the 'what it represents' does fly especially since we have precident in the game: fearlings.

[Akrabra]

The real answer is that they removed it as the Desire demons had a very sexual look and the current writers are really "progressive" so that sort of thing isn't allowed any more when it comes to female characters.

So that is why they got rid of those ridiculous underwear sex scenes and added nudity to the game, got it

[Liveshiptrader]

Bioware forum is as defensive as ever.

 

I didn't see any of these same posters call out the theory that it was changed because demons change form ( despite Anger and Pider retaining there's and Sloths model being reused by another) I guess they only get called out when they don't like it regardless of how much sense it makes.

 

 

First provide a quote. Second, considering desires means a lot of things the 'what it represents' does fly especially since we have precident in the game: fearlings.

 

the interview by Gaider / no we don't have precedent, none of the other originals where changed and fearling was almost universally in the form of a spider. These things have standard forms because models are expensive, desire was removed because it's standard model was a sexualized demonic woman.

 

 

 

So that is why they got rid of those ridiculous underwear sex scenes and added nudity to the game, got it

 

ahh the nudity defence, falls apart when they need to reassure the masses that it will be tasteful (cinematic director statement), tasteful is for when it's done for medical studies or to keep certain people appeased

[FKA_Servo]

the interview by Gaider / no we don't have precedent, none of the other originals where changed and fearling was almost universally in the form of a spider. These things have standard forms because models are expensive, desire was removed because it's standard model was a sexualized demonic woman.

 

 

Gai Agenda strikes again! Better cancel all your preorders, Broseph.

[Liveshiptrader]

Gai Agenda strikes again! Better cancel all your preorders, Broseph.

 

More like Bioware forum strikes again, can't make any criticisms regarding lack of something without the usual bunch who always seem to be on having a go.

 

I've been incredibly diplomatic about wanting certain things (not need just want like any other customer) in future instalments in the past but this forum is toxic.

 

Lets cut to the chase, there's no reason for you people to be so defensive, just admit that the game you like is the way it is, it's an insult to everyones intelligence to try to convince people that the series has not changed and it's still the same as what they where originally following.

[Ariella]

 

 
the interview by Gaider / no we don't have precedent, none of the other originals where changed and fearling was almost universally in the form of a spider. These things have standard forms because models are expensive, desire was removed because it's standard model was a sexualized demonic woman.

The precident is they can and are mutable. Considering desire demons aren't the run of the mill, they shouldn't have a stock form at all. Each one should be unique.

As for what Gaider said, give me an exact quote with links back to source... Full context.