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[Panda]

The real answer is that they removed it as the Desire demons had a very sexual look and the current writers are really "progressive" so that sort of thing isn't allowed any more when it comes to female characters.

 

Desire demons where the most iconic of the lot, you interacted with Desire demons outside of combat more than any other. The what they represent idea doesn't fly when you could say the exact same thing for the other demons that kept there same iconic looks, when the main writer says he has a problem with straight people this is what you end up with. 

 

Writers and main writer has been same from DAO to DAI so that argument is invalid.

[FKA_Servo]

Lets cut to the chase, there's no reason for you people to be so defensive, just admit that the game you like is the way it is, it's an insult to everyones intelligence to try to convince people that the series has not changed and it's still the same as what they where originally following.

 

I don't think anyone who's been playing Bioware's games for the past decade and change should be surprised at the state of things, at least not if they were paying attention. It's been a pretty steady and organic evolution.

 

I do hope people keep scapegoating Gaider as the end of all things, because it's hilarious.

[TheOgre]

Werewolves are suddenly missing from Thedas too by the way.

As are sylvans or treants.

I find it slightly amusing that when the sjw term is thrown everyone gets involved. It's a very volatile phrase at this point.

I hope this thread doesn't come an argue about politics. The simple answer is, a lot of things are missing from the other games.

[Illegitimus]

The real answer is that they removed it as the Desire demons had a very sexual look and the current writers are really "progressive" so that sort of thing isn't allowed any more when it comes to female characters.

 

 

Utter bunk.  If it was just the sex object design it would be child's play to introduce different looking desire demons.  The real reason is because this kind of invasion just isn't the Desire Demon kind of deal and the stuff a Desire Demon would usually do was already being done by Corypheus, who fills the role of "monster who tempts the foolish to damnation by offering them their desires"

[FALCONGTX]

"In Fade" - sincerely yours Captain Obvious

[Liveshiptrader]

I don't think anyone who's been playing Bioware's games for the past decade and change should be surprised at the state of things, at least not if they were paying attention. It's been a pretty steady and organic evolution.

 

I do hope people keep scapegoating Gaider as the end of all things, because it's hilarious.

 

A vague statement that means nothing.

 

Another attempt to dismiss the point, a simple I disagree would have done.

 

Like I said what a lot of people liked simply isn't there any more and so many on the board are clamouring to tell people that there perception is wrong (now that is hilarious but in a sad way) fans of prior games didn't pull this idea from the ether, we sat down played DAI and saw for ourselves and when come to voice our views the toxic board has a go. I already pointed out the fact that you ignore lesser points that back up your view yet when I point out statements and personnel views from the current staff themselves.

 

 

Writers and main writer has been same from DAO to DAI so that argument is invalid.

 

No it isn't as comment was made when Inquisition was in development but what you said isn't even entirely true, Gaider said in an interview more women where given a prominent role in the writing of 3 and most of the writers where women.

[Panda]

No it isn't as comment was made when Inquisition was in development but what you said isn't even entirely true, Gaider said in an interview more women where given a prominent role in the writing of 3 and most of the writers where women.

 

Alright, but how female writers are related to desire demons changed model?

[Kallas_br123]

Alright, but how female writers are related to desire demons changed model?

Depending women, and the political point of view of them, a lot.

 

Sorry bad english.

[Liveshiptrader]

Utter bunk.  If it was just the sex object design it would be child's play to introduce different looking desire demons.  The real reason is because this kind of invasion just isn't the Desire Demon kind of deal and the stuff a Desire Demon would usually do was already being done by Corypheus, who fills the role of "monster who tempts the foolish to damnation by offering them their desires"

 

You don't get to declare your fan made theory right and me wrong when you provide nothing to support it.

 

1.Pride and Anger kept there look

2.every demon has a standard look

3.any shred of what would be tagged as sexy for a woman is absent from this installment

4.Bioware staff have been vocal in support of people with certain views that condemn anything that would be considered sexy.

These are facts

 

This isn't even for you because you either you don't want to be right or want others walking away, like I said don't insult our intelligence, when it smells like crap, looks like crap it's probably crap.

[Panda]

Depending women, and the political point of view of them, a lot.

 

Sorry bad english.

 

It's quite hit-and-miss, we don't know if these writers even wrote anything about desire demons nor if the writers actually are charge of the models. And we don't know if these writers would be not happy with the model or if they would even care. It's bit odd to assumption to make.

[Liveshiptrader]

Alright, but how female writers are related to desire demons changed model?

 

Really? women like different things

[FKA_Servo]

A vague statement that means nothing.

 

Another attempt to dismiss the point, a simple I disagree would have done.

 

Like I said what a lot of people liked simply isn't there any more and so many on the board are clamouring to tell people that there perception is wrong (now that is hilarious but in a sad way) fans of prior games didn't pull this idea from the ether, we sat down played DAI and saw for ourselves and when come to voice our views the toxic board has a go. I already pointed out the fact that you ignore lesser points that back up your view yet when I point out statements and personnel views from the current staff themselves.

 

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No it isn't as comment was made when Inquisition was in development but what you said isn't even entirely true, Gaider said in an interview more women where given a prominent role in the writing of 3 and most of the writers where women.

 

And I honestly can't tell what's so different. Whenever I see those posters' complaints, it seems like they inevitably boil down to indignation at all the gay romances (and/or any other attempts to inject some diversity into their srs srs dark fantasy stories) or rage about the lack of tactics. Anger at the lack of desire demons is new, I guess.

 

Most of their complaints come off as groundless, and their justifications are lackluster.

 

Alright, but how female writers are related to desire demons changed model?

 

When he puts it that way, it sure sounds like he regards it as a problem. Of course, I could be wrong.

[The Oracle]

True, some women like men. And some like women. And some like both or neither or giant nugs with wings. We have absolutely no evidence as to why desire demons weren't in the game. Maybe they just thought it was a good chance to have other demons play a role, like the Envy demon? After all we've had sloth and desire take up a lot of the other two games. What's wrong with exploring new demons and their twists?

[Panda]

Really? women like different things

 

So do men and?

[Kallas_br123]

fact is, as much as I have enjoyed DAI, he became more PG in this edition compared to previous editions, has no gore, mentions of controversial subjects (subjects expected during a war). the removal of the desire demons is only one thing, among many.

 

and the dlc is coming, I'll be really shocked if we meet one broodmather, because you know, not PC, and can be triggiring for some snowflakes

[The Oracle]

I don't know. I've come across mentions of rape (of a burnt, dying woman no less), we had all the tranquil brutally murdered while we then use their emptied skulls to search for shards, we've seen slaves worked to death and/or used to grow lyrium. I'm not sure what you think was in the previous Da games that aren't in this one or have comparably ugly-ness? As for less gore, my characters are covered in gore pretty much all of the time. I'll admit that there are less murder-knife cutscenes, but then again there are less cutscenes across the board. I do miss the theatricality of the death-blows and I kinda hope they make a return, but so far as to content, it's not vastly divergent. 

[Kallas_br123]

 

fact is, as much as I have enjoyed DAI, he became more PG in this edition compared to previous editions, has no gore, mentions of controversial subjects (subjects expected during a war). the removal of the desire demons is only one thing, among many.

 

and the dlc is coming, I'll be really shocked if we meet one broodmather, because you know, not PC, and can be triggiring for some snowflakes

 

had completely forgotten that woman in the hinterlands, I do not know why I think this DAi feel more PG to me, this possibly be because I'm older and more cynical i dont know.

but one thing that I believe is a factor as well, not just me but possibly to many people, is the increase in SJW and PC movement in the last five years, has been steady, and this creates a visceral reaction to anything that remember any of these movements, even when no merit

 

 

Sorry bad english.

[The Oracle]

I do genuinely think that DAI's way of approaching quests, with large amounts of information/background/plot being given in codex or via the rather easily forgettable medium that the side quests present (mainly due to a lack of interactive cutscenes with NPC's) tends to take away from the impact of what is being presented. There's a lot of dark, gritty things in DAI that are easily overlooked due to it being hidden in Codex's. It's a shame and is something I hope they look to rectify in the next game. I don't need cutscenes for every quest, but for those that truly set the scene of the war and the desperate plight of those affected, it is sorely missed.

[Illegitimus]

You don't get to declare your fan made theory right and me wrong when you provide nothing to support it.

 

1.Pride and Anger kept there look

2.every demon has a standard look

3.any shred of what would be tagged as sexy for a woman is absent from this installment

4.Bioware staff have been vocal in support of people with certain views that condemn anything that would be considered sexy.

 

 

Hunh?  What?  Sorry I was distracted by Vivienne's boobs and wasn't listening.  

[Thibax]

I want Desire Demon playable or at least as a shape magic.

The desire is possessing my body right now.

[Madrict]

I wish they would bring back Desire demons....they are sorely missed by many people and provide an interesting change from the usual hack and slash enemies......

 

Comon Bioware....bring those delightful ladies back

[ThePhoenixKing]

The precident is they can and are mutable. Considering desire demons aren't the run of the mill, they shouldn't have a stock form at all. Each one should be unique.

As for what Gaider said, give me an exact quote with links back to source... Full context.
 

 

It makes sense; after all, spirits and demons are basically just manifestations of specific emotions, so one would think they wouldn't be specifically bound into one form or another. Desire Demons, in particular, would be rather malleable, as they'd try to appeal to the interests of their specific victims. That said, I don't really mind the current design; it has this neat pseudo-Slanneshi look to it. I'd just like the Desire Demons back in some form or another.

 

I do genuinely think that DAI's way of approaching quests, with large amounts of information/background/plot being given in codex or via the rather easily forgettable medium that the side quests present (mainly due to a lack of interactive cutscenes with NPC's) tends to take away from the impact of what is being presented. There's a lot of dark, gritty things in DAI that are easily overlooked due to it being hidden in Codex's. It's a shame and is something I hope they look to rectify in the next game. I don't need cutscenes for every quest, but for those that truly set the scene of the war and the desperate plight of those affected, it is sorely missed.

 

Agreed. Between the War Table and keeping all these details in the Codex entries, it felt like anything of substance was kept at arm's length.

[Ariella]

It makes sense; after all, spirits and demons are basically just manifestations of specific emotions, so one would think they wouldn't be specifically bound into one form or another. Desire Demons, in particular, would be rather malleable, as they'd try to appeal to the interests of their specific victims. That said, I don't really mind the current design; it has this neat pseudo-Slanneshi look to it. I'd just like the Desire Demons back in some form

This I can get behind. The models never bothered me, but they tended to show up just to be a bigger threat in DA 2. Allure and the one in the Fade sequence in 2 were the only ones used the way the should have been.

It would be nice to have a male version (not to replace the female) but just to have a counterpart like succubi and inccubi. Mostly though, and desire demon out of the Fade should be an abomination. Which makes more sense for any higher order of demon. Easier to function if you blend in.

I always wondered what Imshael wanted in exchange for curing him...

* This message is being challenged by the Choice Spirits' Guild at the time for potential defamintory language.

[luckyslevens]

Can i get a hunky over sexualized male desire demon? just to even the scale. i mean a demon hitting on me in order to break into my mind and corrupt my life should at least be attractive. and I'm hella gay so t(itties) don't do me nothing.

[Magdalena11]

No, there are still desire demons, they just look different (Imshael).  If you like the look of the old ones, they are available as statues all over the place.  Here's a couple.

 

 

 

If you're interested in the statues, we were collecting them for a while on Spork's Oops thread, and here's what I think.

Spoiler

In the Emprise, the statues are on bridges and in the Hissing wastes, at either end of a tunnel.  Both places have other things in common, too.  The statues are near statues of Tevinter warriors, who have been trapped by octopus tentacles and wrapped in seaweed.  The paths they guard are the most dangerous in the area.  Maybe when the Tevinters built the roads, they wanted to warn travelers that leaving the path there meant loss of livelihood in some way, shape or form.  Armored soldiers sink or are immobilized by falling rock.  It's a tunnel into a box canyon.  They're high bridges that must have cost many lives to build.  Octopus are good food source, but they're very smart and attack preemptively if they get big enough.  They were very bad for trade in ancient Greece.  I once had to transfer antifreeze into a 2L soda bottle.  I knew that was very dangerous and that I had kids who couldn't read labels yet, so I drew huge skulls on the bottle with a marker I found.  Those statues might have been there as a warning to the illiterate - just don't.