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[INVADERONE]

Tbh, I was so disappointed with the lame factor of this weapon that I NEVER used it... EVER... for ****ing years... and then one day, I was curious if anyone had finally found a way to break platinum in a trivial manner, so I searched for platinum easy mode solo... and well, the OP can tell you what I found, it was his video after all. And it was ****ing ridiculous. YOU HAVE GOT TO BE ****ING SH!TTING ME! A ****ing Acolyte is what it took to break platinum!!! The ****ing lamest weapon in the game is what it took to break platinum! Really? WTF is going on here!?

Needless to say, I lost quite a bit of respect for the game at that point. But whatevs, who am I to judge. Let me just close by saying that a team full of Acolyte users is like playing Mortal Kombat on SNES (no gore - G-rated... so yes, an Acolyte is a good weapon for kids)

 

Agree with most of what you say except the last part about it being the Acolyte that broke Platinum. The video you are talking about is Caineghis's Platinum solo easy mode guide and there's no way it was about the Acolyte destroying Platinum. That was about the proper use of a very powerful character's flamer (Geth Trooper), together with the Acolyte, together with knowledge of the game, together with tactics and skill and patience. 

 

If you think that was all about the Acolyte it truly wasn't. I did a Human Vanguard Platinum Solo with the Acolyte versus Cerberus and I gotta tell you....it was no where near as easy as that easy mode video guide. 

 

I only mention as just putting it down to "the Acolyte broke platinum" takes away from the amount of work Caineghis put into that guide and that shouldn't be the case. When I remember that video from a long time ago it was simply a very powerful character power used to its maximum potential...that kit in its full force may be OP but its not the gun itself that is platinum breaking. 

[Caineghis2500]

good post. 

nice edit lol and YES this post wasn't actually my own opinion on the gun except for the marketing and business part which are actually facts. The OP was my interpretation of the information I gathered from bloody's acolyte hate thread. I've already stated my opinion in that thread and it being that I don't have a problem with the acolyte and anyone using it doesn't affect my gameplay in any way. Anyone that has played with me knows that I've used the acolyte heavily. 

[Cryos_Feron]

Pretty sure the "easy mode" is more about the Geth trooper and Flamer than the Acolyte.

have you ever tried to flame something with shields?
and how did it go?

I agree though that the trooper is OP himself.

[Miniditka77]

In the abstract, making a "shield stripping" weapon is an outstanding idea.  The Acolyte was just poor execution.  It's too easy to hit enemies, and the AOE and stun effect just add further advantages that it didn't need in the first place.  Plus, while the Acolyte isn't "good" against bosses, it's "good enough" that many people don't bother with a second weapon.  They could fix the Acolyte by eliminating or drastically reducing the AOE, removing the stun effect, and then halving the damage and doubling the shield/barrier multiplier so that it really is ONLY good for stripping shields/barriers.  Yes, this would just encourage people to carry the Acolyte/Hurricane combo, but it would still be an improvement. 

 

What should have been done is that some other weapons should have had their shield/barrier multipliers buffed instead.  The Disciple is a prime candidate.  You could put a 2x or even a 3x shield/barrier multiplier on the Disciple, and it would still be balanced.  Or the Arc Pistol.... this gun has no business being as ridiculously good as it is.  Instead of buffing the damage, they should have buffed the shield/barrier multiplier instead (which would make sense, as it's an "electric" gun).  The Locust is another possibility.

[Miniditka77]

have you ever tried to flame something with shields?
and how did it go?

I agree though that the trooper is OP himself.

 

Putting the Talon with Phasic III on the Trooper is pretty OP too, especially if you spec into Hunter Mode.

[Caineghis2500]

YES. Thank you Cain for posting this (that other thread has basically gone to $h!+ anyways).

Oh man, I LOOOVVEE me some Anti-Acolyte aggression - just uncapped a Pyramid Thunderhead IPA an about to lay my two cents down on this thread.

So. The Acolyte... why does this topic keep coming up, a casual observer/gamer might ask... and answer is...

wait for it...

Ans: The gun freaking LAAAAAMMMMMEEEE!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, truth be told, the Acolyte is a LAME-ASS weapon. Think back to when you first unboxed it... when you got that gold Acolyte card... and then equipped on some kit and took it in to the game... what was your first impression?

If any tries to tell me with a straight face that they found love at first Acolyte use I would be at a loss for words, and probably look at you as if you had a **** on your forehead.

Tbh, I was so disappointed with the lame factor of this weapon that I NEVER used it... EVER... for ****ing years... and then one day, I was curious if anyone had finally found a way to break platinum in a trivial manner, so I searched for platinum easy mode solo... and well, the OP can tell you what I found, it was his video after all. And it was ****ing ridiculous. YOU HAVE GOT TO BE ****ING SH!TTING ME! A ****ing Acolyte is what it took to break platinum!!! The ****ing lamest weapon in the game is what it took to break platinum! Really? WTF is going on here!?

Needless to say, I lost quite a bit of respect for the game at that point. But whatevs, who am I to judge. Let me just close by saying that a team full of Acolyte users is like playing Mortal Kombat on SNES (no gore - G-rated... so yes, an Acolyte is a good weapon for kids)

I get what you mean about the acolyte but as others have said about the easy mode video, the highlight wasn't the acolyte but the how OP the geth trooper flamer build was. The acolyte did increase the flamer builds effectiveness but I'm pretty sure that what stuck on people minds wasn't the acolyte but the OPness of the flamer build 

[q5tyhj]

I think it's a terrible looking, sounding and feeling weapon and I laugh at the pyjaks who use it on everything

This. And using it on Krogans, Batarians, or Vorcha is just... so... ******... wrong. 

[q5tyhj]

YES. Thank you Cain for posting this (that other thread has basically gone to $h!+ anyways).

Oh man, I LOOOVVEE me some Anti-Acolyte aggression - just uncapped a Pyramid Thunderhead IPA an about to lay my two cents down on this thread.

So. The Acolyte... why does this topic keep coming up, a casual observer/gamer might ask... and answer is...

wait for it...

Ans: The gun freaking LAAAAAMMMMMEEEE!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, truth be told, the Acolyte is a LAME-ASS weapon. Think back to when you first unboxed it... when you got that gold Acolyte card... and then equipped on some kit and took it in to the game... what was your first impression?

If any tries to tell me with a straight face that they found love at first Acolyte use I would be at a loss for words, and probably look at you as if you had a **** on your forehead.

Tbh, I was so disappointed with the lame factor of this weapon that I NEVER used it... EVER... for ****ing years... and then one day, I was curious if anyone had finally found a way to break platinum in a trivial manner, so I searched for platinum easy mode solo... and well, the OP can tell you what I found, it was his video after all. And it was ****ing ridiculous. YOU HAVE GOT TO BE ****ING SH!TTING ME! A ****ing Acolyte is what it took to break platinum!!! The ****ing lamest weapon in the game is what it took to break platinum! Really? WTF is going on here!?

Needless to say, I lost quite a bit of respect for the game at that point. But whatevs, who am I to judge. Let me just close by saying that a team full of Acolyte users is like playing Mortal Kombat on SNES (no gore - G-rated... so yes, an Acolyte is a good weapon for kids)

Acolyte didn't break platinum, the Reegtard broke platinum. 

[justinman114]

More love than hate for me.  Although I only use the Acolyte on 3 or 4 kits, it is usually the only weapon on said kits and it does it's job.  I can't use it everywhere though, not being able to shoot Guardians and doing minimal damage to armor is kind of lame, and is only acceptable on the few kits I use it on since I don't really need the weapon for massive armor damage.  Slayer, Fury, GTroop, Human Adept.  That's pretty much it for me.  There might be a few stragglers I forgot.

[filippopotame]

First hello!

I don't see the point here : yes the acolyte is riduculously OP, especially because it's so polyvalent. But in my opinion it's just one OP weapon among others : the GPSG is even better vs phantoms, the venom can do essentially the same job as it, the reegar strips shields faster, most weapons are better vs armor etc. I don't feel that it requires less skill than the other top tier weapons : claymore (the reload cancell is not that difficult to do), venom, black widow (extremely easy to use), wraith... I feel it's not fair to call it a casual weapon : it's a tactical one as it needs to complemetn with powers. Running around with a geth inflitrator claymore is just as powerfull as a geth trooper and doesn't require much more skill.

[BloodBeforeTears]

takes away from the amount of work Caineghis put into that guide

How so? It was an "easy mode" guide! The most impressive part (that I remember) was that Cain was still half asleep when he recorded it, lol! Beat platinum by himself half asleep - now that is an accomplishment!

Obviously it isn't my intent to discredit any video solos or guides based upon use of the Acolyte/Reegar/Venom/Arc Pistol/etc. In fact, it is important these videos exist to expose potential balance issues to devs: "is this what you intended when you designed this weapon?" is a question that developers may ask themselves when watching a gameplay video.

There is another aspect regarding player base / fan base that supports the Acolyte love argument, that Cain enlightened me to in the previous thread - but I think his post in that thread may have offended some so I won't rehash it here.

[PatrickBateman]

have you ever tried to flame something with shields?
and how did it go?

I agree though that the trooper is OP himself.

Well on the 6th evolution of flamer you can chose between increased damage to armor or shields, with the shield damage evolution it works quite well against it. Anyway, with sufficient platinum experience any player knows the Acolyte really isn't that OP, it is on gold but pretty much everything is though with sufficient experience and skill.

[BloodBeforeTears]

Running around with a geth inflitrator claymore is just as powerfull as a geth trooper and doesn't require much more skill.

Please tell me you're not serious.

[Caineghis2500]

How so? It was an "easy mode" guide! The most impressive part (that I remember) was that Cain was still half asleep when he recorded it, lol! Beat platinum by himself half asleep - now that is an accomplishment!
Obviously it isn't my intent to discredit any video solos or guides based upon use of the Acolyte/Reegar/Venom/Arc Pistol/etc. In fact, it is important these videos exist to expose potential balance issues to devs: "is this what you intended when you designed this weapon?" is a question that developers may ask themselves when watching a gameplay video.
There is another aspect regarding player base / fan base that supports the Acolyte love argument, that Cain enlightened me to in the previous thread - but I think his post in that thread may have offended some so I won't rehash it here.

oh I took no offense to what you said and I didn't see it as my work being discredited as I perfectly understand your dislike for the weapon. The sleeping part was funny though. I did that video shortly after waking up (dedication much?) That explains the frequent yawning , slight slurd poor vocabulary

[BloodBeforeTears]

Well on the 6th evolution of flamer you can chose between increased damage to armor or shields, with the shield damage evolution it works quite well against it. Anyway, with sufficient platinum experience any player knows the Acolyte really isn't that OP, it is on gold but pretty much everything is though with sufficient experience and skill.

From a DPS perspective it is always a mistake to choose shield/barrier damage. The Acolyte is not OP, but it sure as hell makes it easier to extract when you are carrying one - especially on a crap team, lol.

[ALTBOULI]

I'll be explaining the love and hate that people have with the acolyte down to the most primal reasons. I'll try to be as fair as i can in explaining each side of the coin. It's all a matter of personal preference at the end..

I stopped reading after this - Like anyone needs you to explain people's feelings on the Acolyte.

[Caineghis2500]

. Running around with a geth inflitrator claymore is just as powerfull as a geth trooper and doesn't require much more skill.

Do you even know how much practice it takes to get gud with the claymore?

[Bud Halen]

I'll use it on a caster where I know I can use it sparingly -- basically as an honorary 4th 'power'.

Keeps CD at 200%, takes both a power amp mod & melee stunner, and it's a good way to use some of my Strength amps (since Phasics boost the dmg output I'm seeking).

 

But I'll rarely have to hit an ammo box since I hate charge-up weapons on ecks bawks.

 

 

As far as the anal aching over how much it's used, whether or not it's lore-friendly, and other such concerns...whatevs

 

[Salarian Master Race]

How so? It was an "easy mode" guide! The most impressive part (that I remember) was that Cain was still half asleep when he recorded it, lol! Beat platinum by himself half asleep - now that is an accomplishment!

Obviously it isn't my intent to discredit any video solos or guides based upon use of the Acolyte/Reegar/Venom/Arc Pistol/etc. In fact, it is important these videos exist to expose potential balance issues to devs: "is this what you intended when you designed this weapon?" is a question that developers may ask themselves when watching a gameplay video.

There is another aspect regarding player base / fan base that supports the Acolyte love argument, that Cain enlightened me to in the previous thread - but I think his post in that thread may have offended some so I won't rehash it here.

 

Suppose the Phaeston was the best weapon in the game, and it took 2 hours to solo with it.

 

Would that be an indicator that the Phaeston is OP?

 

There will always be highly skilled players who can push themselves to solo the hardest multiplayer modes with whatever is available to them.  At that point, it becomes clear it is not an issue with the game being too easy, or a gun being too powerful, it is those players themselves who are OP.

 

Suppose the Acolyte got nerfed or removed.  Solo players would use something else.  Better nerf or remove that, too.  And so on.  Where does it all end?

 

Basically threads like this amount to "Nerf everything!" because the only way to achieve "true balance" is to have one weapon, or a selection of weapons which are so similar as to be practically identical.

 

Now it is time to move on to Asari Porn.

[PatrickBateman]

From a DPS perspective it is always a mistake to choose shield/barrier damage. The Acolyte is not OP, but it sure as hell makes it easier to extract when you are carrying one - especially on a crap team, lol.

Not to bad vs platinum geth, but that limits the build to one faction only so it's not a good idea unless playing them specifically, armor damage is the way to go as you point out.

[ALTBOULI]

yer the only person I'm sensing hostility from. You've got some kind of personal problem with me?

Hostility? More like calling you out for being patronising  - this thread is severely lacking in headknowledge 

[filippopotame]

Well I'could have chosen a better exemple like the pyranha, but mastering the claymore on pc is not that difficult (I don't know about console). Sure you have to reload cancell but anything vaguely humanoïd dies in a single hit anywhere, and you have a huge range with the right mods. With the reload cancell the fire rate is quite good and there's room for error.
Furthermore the reticule is quite big and doesn't require an exellent aim. And you don't even need the reticule, which allows even faster aiming and therefore faster shooting.
A gun that has huge dps, long range and provides room for error can't be that hard to handle. And getting accostumated to the reload cancell just requires 1-3 games and remappping the medi-gel button.
Sorry for the long post

[filippopotame]

Do you even know how much practice it takes to get gud with the claymore?

Well I'could have chosen a better exemple like the pyranha, but mastering the claymore on pc is not that difficult (I don't know about console). Sure you have to reload cancell but anything vaguely humanoïd dies in a single hit anywhere, and you have a huge range with the right mods. With the reload cancell the fire rate is quite good and there's room for error. 
Furthermore the reticule is quite big and doesn't require an exellent aim. And you don't even need the reticule, which allows even faster aiming and therefore faster shooting. 
A gun that has huge dps, long range and provides room for error can't be that hard to handle. And getting accostumated to the reload cancell just requires 1-3 games and remappping the medi-gel button.
Sorry for the long post   

[Excella Gionne]

..So..you are racist against Asari weapons???..Acolyte..It takes down shields / barriers......why is there any hate for a weapon that does that?   Do you also hate the lancer in gears of war because it is an assault rifle? Maybe if you played another EA game named FUSE..there are actual biotic weapons in it..there is a Warp Rifle..when so many rounds are fired at 1 single target it creates a Singularity..that's your problem, not ours...... Why do you hate fruit rolls?  People who havent played this game....get to have no opinion on anything.

I'm out of likes at the moment, but I agree. I only like calling it AcLOLyte, 'cause it fits perfectly! I don't understand the hate for it. You still need skill to arc the shots so that you can fire around corners or just on walls hoping that it would bounce in the correct direction and hit the enemy

[Deerber]

Well I'could have chosen a better exemple like the pyranha, but mastering the claymore on pc is not that difficult (I don't know about console). Sure you have to reload cancell but anything vaguely humanoïd dies in a single hit anywhere, and you have a huge range with the right mods. With the reload cancell the fire rate is quite good and there's room for error.
Furthermore the reticule is quite big and doesn't require an exellent aim. And you don't even need the reticule, which allows even faster aiming and therefore faster shooting.
A gun that has huge dps, long range and provides room for error can't be that hard to handle. And getting accostumated to the reload cancell just requires 1-3 games and remappping the medi-gel button.
Sorry for the long post

Are we even playing the same game? The High Lord doesn't OHK things unless you either hit their heads or you have huge weapon damage bonuses. Or were you talking specifically with the GI? In that case I guess yeah...

Also, the reticule being quite big and the range quite good are opposite arguments. You can't have a good range and a wide reticule. In fact, Claymore's range is decent, but not long by any stretch, at least that's how I perceive it.