Hostility? More like calling you out for being patronising - this thread is severely lacking in headknowledge
Well that's a terrible call because I was being genuine in my OP. The reasons in the love part are indeed real life reasons that I too fall under so yes i do understand and was being real when I mentioned them. Yer trying to make something out of nothing.
^^^ Dude, I see PUGz constantly using it..even TGI Harriers...<--- what the hell..Overload means nothing?...really pumps my nerves when I see a character with ..say..energy drain or overload..or any shield draining ability..use an acolyte...seriously...what are you..a Kylie Jenner version of the Atari 2500?
They probably do skip it. The kit is still viable without, nonetheless. PUGs like durability more though.
Not to bad vs platinum geth, but that limits the build to one faction only so it's not a good idea unless playing them specifically, armor damage is the way to go as you point out.
(apart from armor being the biggest part on most platinum matches)
Because it is percentage-wise and not in absolute numbers,
I like to make the strengths even much stronger than try to overcome the weaknesses somehow.
then... the acolyte comes into play, making this kit overall outstanding.
Are we even playing the same game? The High Lord doesn't OHK things unless you either hit their heads or you have huge weapon damage bonuses. Or were you talking specifically with the GI? In that case I guess yeah...
Also, the reticule being quite big and the range quite good are opposite arguments. You can't have a good range and a wide reticule. In fact, Claymore's range is decent, but not long by any stretch, at least that's how I perceive it.
Well I play the High lord mostly with classes that have warp or tactical cloak, so I guess I got a false impression. Neverheless a claymore X with just a high velocity barrel does 2k of damage which is enough to oneshot centurions/maraudeurs on gold and with some ammo and passive easily reaches the 3,5k which does the job even on platinum.
And you get a point for the reticle, let's just say then that the balance between accuracy and ease of use is just perfect with this gun 
But anyway my point was to say that acolyte just an easy to use OP weapon among many easy to use op weapons, and maybe the claymore is not THE easiest but there are lots of weapons which are just as "casual friendly" and OP as the acolyte.
Suppose the Phaeston was the best weapon in the game, and it took 2 hours to solo with it.
Would that be an indicator that the Phaeston is OP?
There will always be highly skilled players who can push themselves to solo the hardest multiplayer modes with whatever is available to them. At that point, it becomes clear it is not an issue with the game being too easy, or a gun being too powerful, it is those players themselves who are OP.
Suppose the Acolyte got nerfed or removed. Solo players would use something else. Better nerf or remove that, too. And so on. Where does it all end?
Basically threads like this amount to "Nerf everything!" because the only way to achieve "true balance" is to have one weapon, or a selection of weapons which are so similar as to be practically identical.
Now it is time to move on to Asari Porn.
Well I play the High lord mostly with classes that have warp or tactical cloak, so I guess I got a false impression. Neverheless a claymore X with just a high velocity barrel does 2k of damage which is enough to oneshot centurions/maraudeurs on gold and with some ammo and passive easily reaches the 3,5k which does the job even on platinum.
And you get a point for the reticle, let's just say then that the balance between accuracy and ease of use is just perfect with this gun
But anyway my point was to say that acolyte just an easy to use OP weapon among many easy to use op weapons, and maybe the claymore is not THE easiest but there are lots of weapons which are just as "casual friendly" and OP as the acolyte.
I haven't read the thread, but I think I have the answer myself already.
Love: it's terribly OP.
Hate: it's terribly OP.
You can only love what you hate, and hate what you love. I'd say you're correct.
(apart from armor being the biggest part on most platinum matches)
Because it is percentage-wise and not in absolute numbers,
I like to make the strengths even much stronger than try to overcome the weaknesses somehow.
then... the acolyte comes into play, making this kit overall outstanding.
I did write "not to bad vs Geth" but also pointed out that armor damage is the way to go. I have soloed platinum geth and as anyone that have done the same can point out that a large part of dealing with platinum geth is to take out lots of bombers and hunters and pyros (lots and lots and lots of shields) to deplete the wave budgets and guess what I used neither the GT or the Acolyte for that solo. I did solo platinum Cerberus with the GT/Acolyte and that certainly wasen't my easiest solo done.
This whole Acolyte is "to OP" discussion is just ridiculous and not worth continuing.
Maybe we should all be grateful that its charging mechanic came back. I'm sure "I hate AcLolyte" threads would be more interesting if the no charge mechanic was still around. Enemies are OP, and AcLolyte is OP. Perfectly balanced.
I did write "not to bad vs Geth" but also pointed out that armor damage is the way to go.
I know - that's why I put this part in brackets.
then I said what I actually wanted to say.
AcLOLyte nerf, pls! There you go!!!
I did write "not to bad vs Geth" but also pointed out that armor damage is the way to go. I have soloed platinum geth and as anyone that have done the same can point out that a large part of dealing with platinum geth is to take out lots of bombers and hunters and pyros (lots and lots and lots of shields) to deplete the wave budgets and guess what I used neither the GT or the Acolyte for that solo. I did solo platinum Cerberus with the GT/Acolyte and that certainly wasen't my easiest solo done.
This whole Acolyte is "to OP" discussion is just ridiculous and not worth continuing.
Well, assuming SMR is correct, and that there will always be OP weapons... (snip)
My point was more along the lines of it's all relative, and there will always be the perception of OP weapons, regardless of whether or not they actually are OP.
Argent? Is that you?
just teasing OP *maybe* but that was one hell of a namedrop, Argent's ears should be burning pleasantly!
On topic: I appreciate you stating both sides as articulately as possible without any real judgement of one side or other. I would only add that I think the charge mechanic is the thing that keeps the Acolyte juuuuust on the acceptable side of balance. When it was removed....it was bedlam around here... *nods to Cain's plat solo wth GT and chargeless acolyte vid infamy* When BW replaced the charge, the better players adapted and the pugs stopped piling on it as much and there's your balance restored somewhat.
My point was more along the lines of it's all relative, and there will always be the perception of OP weapons, regardless of whether or not they actually are OP.
Well, perception is one thing, but reality quite another. Quite a few people seem to think the Harrier is OP, that is their perception. But the reality is that not a single first place entry in the Gold Solo Speedrun HoF thread has been recorded with this weapon (not even the TGI)..
I just want the damn weapons to have some semblance of balance in reality.
Well, perception is one thing, but reality quite another. Quite a few people seem to think the Harrier is OP, that is their perception. But the reality is that not a single first place entry in the Gold Solo Speedrun HoF thread has been recorded with this weapon (not even the TGI)..
I just want the damn weapons to have some semblance of balance in reality.
To be fair, going to ammo boxes takes time. Harrier solos might require multiple ammo box trips per wave. With guns like the Arc Pistol, you can just pick up ammo casually as you're walking by and be OK most of the time. If the Harrier had 2x as much reserve ammo, I'd guess that there would be a LOT more Harrier solos on that list.
Yeah. You are very on point. I rarely see pugs using it. I think the hate comes from Solo'ers vids or just solos in general where it has been used often or as an add on to make quicker work of the enemy. The only time I have seen the Acolyte really being used in games was with non-pugs...people on my friends list or those who have it a level X where it really becomes more special and even then...the charge up mechanic is not user friendly for most.
Mostly its just a lot of us being elitist and trashing the gun indicating that it trivializes everything as opposed to spending 10 minutes trying to take down a somersaulting phantom's barriers with a level II CSMG. The Acolyte has its place and its a great gun. The game needed it, especially when Platinum came around. It doesn't trivialize platinum it simply aids with the boss spam.
INVADERONE quoted me and thinks I'm on point...
Seriously, you are like a ME3 celebrity. I used to watch your videos all the time. 
INVADERONE quoted me and thinks I'm on point...
Seriously, you are like a ME3 celebrity. I used to watch your videos all the time.
it's too late to have his babies
it's too late to have his babies
It doesn't matter, I'm happily engaged. 
Well I play the High lord mostly with classes that have warp or tactical cloak, so I guess I got a false impression. Neverheless a claymore X with just a high velocity barrel does 2k of damage which is enough to oneshot centurions/maraudeurs on gold and with some ammo and passive easily reaches the 3,5k which does the job even on platinum.
And you get a point for the reticle, let's just say then that the balance between accuracy and ease of use is just perfect with this gun
But anyway my point was to say that acolyte just an easy to use OP weapon among many easy to use op weapons, and maybe the claymore is not THE easiest but there are lots of weapons which are just as "casual friendly" and OP as the acolyte.
Well, perception is one thing, but reality quite another. Quite a few people seem to think the Harrier is OP, that is their perception. But the reality is that not a single first place entry in the Gold Solo Speedrun HoF thread has been recorded with this weapon (not even the TGI)..
I just want the damn weapons to have some semblance of balance in reality.
It doesn't matter, I'm happily engaged.
That's an awfully long way to go just to play hard to get. I feel bad for your "fiance"
Using solos as your basis for balance determination will lead you to some pretty incorrect conclusions, like (in my opinion) the fact that the harrier is far from being OP.
LOL. No. It is not solos that I'm using as a qualitative metric of OP'd-ness, but rather speedrun times. If you are going to argue that a solo speedrun time is not directly proportional to the inverse of a player's average damage output over time, then you are wrong.
Simply stating your opinion about why you think the harrier is OP, without using any metric of comparison, is just plain silly (i.e. it is your personal perception).
*edit: OK, there are different maps, objectives, etc - but my point is that if all things are equal, a solo speedrun time is a pretty reliable indicator of the relative damage output a player was able to generate using a particular kit/weapon/faction combo.
ref: Harrier limited ammo capacity - it is a method of balance - if you are running to ammo boxes, you obviously aren't producing any damage output - this fact alone is a solid argument against the Harrier being OP.
That's an awfully long way to go just to play hard to get. I feel bad for your "fiance"
That is a cheap joke. I regret coming back to BSN.
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