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[masmfd]

Please release the descent for ps3 and xbox 360. I really want to play it. I don't why the topic I posted yesterday didn't go through but I want my request to be acknowledged. It's ridiculous that you're not releasing the descent or any future dlcs for inquisition on ps3 or xbox 360. Its really irritating me. If you release a game for all these different systems then you should release all of its dlc s for all of them as well.

[katerinafm]

I agree that they should release all the dlc or at least have been upfront about not being able to support old gen but I think it's too late for them to change it now.

[masmfd]

No its not to late they can just do what they did with jaws of hakkon. It was originally just for Microsoft systems.

[Geth Supremacy]

No its not to late they can just do what they did with jaws of hakkon. It was originally just for Microsoft systems.

 

It is too late. The decision has been made along with the public announcement.  All support be it SP dlc, MP dlc, or patches all are stopped for PS3 and 360.  Is it messed up that you payed the same price for the same game and then were mislead into thinking you would get all content? It absolutely is, but that doesn't change the reality.

 

Bioware has said the current state of the previous gen games are where they will stay.  If you want more content they are forcing you to buy a new console and the game a second time. That is their decision on the game/content.

[devSin]

No its not to late they can just do what they did with jaws of hakkon. It was originally just for Microsoft systems.

Jaws of Hakkon was a timed exclusive. It was always going to come to other consoles.

The PS3 and 360 are no longer supported. They will receive no further DLC or patch support.

[BansheeOwnage]

It may not be possible to release on oldgen, not that I like the situation. Apparently, the main reason for the drop was because their hardware couldn't handle the new DLC. To me, Descent doesn't look all that taxing (more than the base game anyway), but I'm not a developer and we'll have to wait til it's out to know, either way. You have my sympathy, believe me.

[Panda]

It may not be possible to release on oldgen, not that I like the situation. Apparently, the main reason for the drop was because their hardware couldn't handle the new DLC. To me, Descent doesn't look all that taxing (more than the base game anyway), but I'm not a developer and we'll have to wait til it's out to know, either way. You have my sympathy, believe me.

Seeing how they immediately dropped patch support of old gen and also didn't release Qunari armor DLC and won't be releasing multiplayer DLC's on old gen either I have to conclude that the reason of new DLC being too much for old gen to handle was just scapegoat and Bioware simply wanted to cut old gen completely off and decided to do it now with a bang.

[FKA_Servo]

Well, they were up front about it. Just in the most awkward, least acceptable way they could have been.

 

If this is, as they say, a giant, seamless, no load screen dungeon, then it's not at all surprising that it won't run on old gen. Especially if it is particularly content rich (assuming they have taken other criticisms to heart). I don't know how they got Hakkon running either.

[BansheeOwnage]

Seeing how they immediately dropped patch support of old gen and also didn't release Qunari armor DLC and won't be releasing multiplayer DLC's on old gen either I have to conclude that the reason of new DLC being too much for old gen to handle was just scapegoat and Bioware simply wanted to cut old gen completely off and decided to do it now with a bang.

You're definitely at least half right. We still don't know whether Descent will be too taxing for oldgen, but you're absolutely correct that there is no good excuse for stopping patch support as well as an item DLC that would obviously run on oldgen. That's just lazy or mean, take your pick.

 

The other piece of information you can glean from the Spoils of the Qunari pack is that they knew they were dropping support for quite a while before they told anyone, which is not cool. (About 2 weeks for certification plus they had to discuss beforehand whether to release it on oldgen or not, I'd say they knew it was being dropped at least 3 weeks before they told us, but if I was guessing, I'd say they decided soon after JoH.)

 

Well, they were up front about it. Just in the most awkward, least acceptable way they could have been.

 

If this is, as they say, a giant, seamless, no load screen dungeon, then it's not at all surprising that it won't run on old gen. Especially if it is particularly content rich (assuming they have taken other criticisms to heart). I don't know how they got Hakkon running either.

They actually weren't up front about why. There was no explanation given in the announcement. They only answered on twitter after I asked them directly, and I had to ask multiple devs.

 

I really want to know what "seamless" means. If you think about it, the whole Hinterlands (or any other area) is "seamless". No loading screens while traversing it. That applied to oldgen too. Why would this suddenly be more impressive in dungeon form? And if there is something here that only newgen can run (say, reduced load times or amount of loading screns), why wasn't that already a difference between new and oldgen? Wouldn't it be possible for newgen players to have those benefits included in the base game too?

[FKA_Servo]

I guess we'll find out tomorrow. My assumption is that it will be with respect to environmental effects and detail, possibly NPC counts.

 

It's probable that they could get it running technically, but if it's running even less stably than the base game, then that's their argument right there. It's not like the playerbase would hesitate to rip them to shreds for a terrible performing DLC.

 

The only thing that would fix this issue is a time machine to stop them releasing it for old gen in the first place.

[BansheeOwnage]

I guess we'll find out tomorrow. My assumption is that it will be with respect to environmental effects and detail, possibly NPC counts.

 

It's probable that they could get it running technically, but if it's running even less stably than the base game, then that's their argument right there. It's not like the playerbase would hesitate to rip them to shreds for a terrible performing DLC.

 

The only thing that would fix this issue is a time machine to stop them releasing it for old gen in the first place.

I could be totally wrong, but from the trailer it didn't seem like there was a higher-than-normal amount of NPCs fighting. It's not really something I'd expect from a dungeon crawl either. That was the reason they gave though, so yeah, we'll see.

 

As for the time machine: That would be nice.

[Panda]

I guess we'll find out tomorrow. My assumption is that it will be with respect to environmental effects and detail, possibly NPC counts.

 

It's probable that they could get it running technically, but if it's running even less stably than the base game, then that's their argument right there. It's not like the playerbase would hesitate to rip them to shreds for a terrible performing DLC.

 

The only thing that would fix this issue is a time machine to stop them releasing it for old gen in the first place.

 

I could be totally wrong, but from the trailer it didn't seem like there was a higher-than-normal amount of NPCs fighting. It's not really something I'd expect from a dungeon crawl either. That was the reason they gave though, so yeah, we'll see.

 

As for the time machine: That would be nice.

 

One thing that BW said had to be cut, because old gen, was fights that involved lot of characters. So I think that's what Descent possibly includes, never-ending darkspawn hordes. Not sure what other things it could include that couldn't be included in cross-gen DLC though.

[BansheeOwnage]

One thing that BW said had to be cut, because old gen, was fights that involved lot of characters. So I think that's what Descent possibly includes, never-ending darkspawn hordes. Not sure what other things it could include that couldn't be included in cross-gen DLC though.

Yeah, I hope that if they're going to cut oldgen, they at least make the DLC something truly spectacular that couldn't possibly work on oldgen. Anything less is an insult. Well, another one. We'll see soon enough, at least.

[ashwind]

I could be totally wrong, but from the trailer it didn't seem like there was a higher-than-normal amount of NPCs fighting. It's not really something I'd expect from a dungeon crawl either. That was the reason they gave though, so yeah, we'll see.

 

As for the time machine: That would be nice.

 

They did mention - A large seamless dungeon. Which means huge area load that would require a lot of memory. If that is the case, the old gen consoles have like 512MB ram? That maybe the reason why this DLC wont be release on old gen. 

 

We will have to wait and see what does this "Large seamless dungeon" looks like.

[BansheeOwnage]

They did mention - A large seamless dungeon. Which means huge area load that would require a lot of memory. If that is the case, the old gen consoles have like 512MB ram? That maybe the reason why this DLC wont be release on old gen. 

 

We will have to wait and see what does this "Large seamless dungeon" looks like.

Again, the entire Hinterlands or any other area is seamless on oldgen, so I'm just not sure why a dungeon would be more impressive.

[Panda]

Yeah, I hope that if they're going to cut oldgen, they at least make the DLC something truly spectacular that couldn't possibly work on oldgen. Anything less is an insult. Well, another one. We'll see soon enough, at least.

 

Mmm, I'm not that nice. I'm hoping it won't have any intresting story-content- for me. If it has something about Architect I'll be depressed.

[ashwind]

Again, the entire Hinterlands or any other area is seamless on oldgen, so I'm just not sure why a dungeon would be more impressive.

 

That is why I am expecting the dungeon to be larger than the Hinterlands

 

That is the only way they can justify not releasing for old gen.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Did anyone notice they unsticked the patch support drop thread from MP forums? Are they now trying to hide that bit of info to trick new last-gen customers.

[Panda]

Did anyone notice they unsticked the patch support drop thread from MP forums? Are they now trying to hide that bit of info to trick new last-gen customers.

 

My guess is that they didn't like backlash and comments in the thread. Proper place for announcement would have been in news and announcements section with mention on top of subforum pages like information about keep and patch beta. Oh, well at least I put information about it in older gen master thread.

[masmfd]

The real reason I was because I want to try to convince bioware to release the descent and future dlc for old gen consoles. I know the reason they aren't doing it, but actually saying it would probably just get me kicked off the forum. But I do appreciate everyones input.

[masmfd]

I just watch a video of someone playing the descent and it pisses me off because it looks really good and I want to play it. So you know what I will say what I wanted to say. They probably got a big pay off from sony and Microsoft to help them pressure people into buying the new consoles. They already have more than enough money. And if anyone was thinking of saying that its not about money because they aren't releasing for more consoles that wrong because Microsoft and sony just payed them enough so that it won't matter. So to sum it up the reason they aren't releasing these dlcs for all of the consoles is greed.

[untuvainen]

I just watch a video of someone playing the descent and it pisses me off because it looks really good and I want to play it.

Well.. That is probably the reason why old consoles are not getting it.

[octavian1127]

Yah, the area is huge. Multiple levels accessed without loading screens and so far a bunch of expedition unlocked areas that add to it. I've already run into large NPC counts, upwards of 20 in a single larger area and fights with almost 10 actually engaged at a single time. You also have a pair of NPC's that fight along side you.

 

Basically, their claim it won't run on oldgen is likely correct. Whether they're using a single DLC as an excuse to stop supporting them entirely is up for debate and we'll probably never know for sure.

[masmfd]

I hate when I overreact to things. I thought about it and its not that big a deal. **** happens.

[FKA_Servo]

I just watch a video of someone playing the descent and it pisses me off because it looks really good and I want to play it. So you know what I will say what I wanted to say. They probably got a big pay off from sony and Microsoft to help them pressure people into buying the new consoles. They already have more than enough money. And if anyone was thinking of saying that its not about money because they aren't releasing for more consoles that wrong because Microsoft and sony just payed them enough so that it won't matter. So to sum it up the reason they aren't releasing these dlcs for all of the consoles is greed.

 

I am 100% sympathetic to the people who got cut off, but this is tinfoil hat ridiculous.

 

Eventually, games outgrow platforms. It was bad form to let it happen in the middle of the DLC cycle rather than before the release of the game in this case, but there you have it. There are dozens of ways in which it was apparent that the base game held back by old gen co development though. Even if the DLC ran - if it was less stable than the rest of the game already is, you think that most players would have stayed quiet, or expressed sincere gratitude? They basically weighed which set of complaints they wanted to be inundated with. At least everyone understands that tech moves on, and some content doesn't necessarily play well on a platform with less memory than the phone in my pocket.

 

Relevant - at least on PC, Descent looks noticeably better than the base game. So I don't think they're blowing smoke.