
Dwarven Theory Extravaganza!
#1
Posté 10 août 2015 - 08:37

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#2
Posté 10 août 2015 - 09:02
So this is where you've been hiding.
My theory: June is a golem.
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#3
Posté 10 août 2015 - 09:38
So this is where you've been hiding.
My theory: June is a golem.
I've been buried in work, but can't resist DLC. @w@
T minus 18 hours and counting. I am ridiculously excited.
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#4
Posté 10 août 2015 - 10:00
I've been buried in work, but can't resist DLC. @w@
T minus 18 hours and counting. I am ridiculously excited.
So am I. Even moved up my nightmare Lavellan run from 'after Adaar' to 'along side Adaar' so I could play the DLC with my canon first.
So about June being a Golem: my theory comes from the school of thought that says Caradin didn't create the Anvil or the Golem making techniques - he just rediscovered them (there's Golems in the Primeval Thaig after all). June is said to have 'created himself' so what if he was a dwarf who made him/herself a Golem? Their mosaic has an Anvil (and the first thing any lore nerd is going to think when hearing that word is 'Anvil of the Void'), and their face is grey, perhaps due to the fact that it's stone. And the swirl on their forehead may be a crystal like Shale's, rather than the Brand.
There's also the connection between House Cadash, Shale and the elves. Nothing in fiction is a coincidence so I think we're meant to find a link between elves and Golems.
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#5
Posté 10 août 2015 - 10:26
So am I. Even moved up my nightmare Lavellan run from 'after Adaar' to 'along side Adaar' so I could play the DLC with my canon first.
So about June being a Golem: my theory comes from the school of thought that says Caradin didn't create the Anvil or the Golem making techniques - he just rediscovered them (there's Golems in the Primeval Thaig after all). June is said to have 'created himself' so what if he was a dwarf who made him/herself a Golem? Their mosaic has an Anvil (and the first thing any lore nerd is going to think when hearing that word is 'Anvil of the Void'), and their face is grey, perhaps due to the fact that it's stone. And the swirl on their forehead may be a crystal like Shale's, rather than the Brand.
There's also the connection between House Cadash, Shale and the elves. Nothing in fiction is a coincidence so I think we're meant to find a link between elves and Golems.
ooh. I like this.
The lines in my head are starting to blur, though. Should we consider golems to be a distinct concept from archdemon dragons, physical entities that carry and are controlled by an OGS? How about other potential OGS vehicles, like walking, talking statuary? Once you take a certain perspective, all sentient life starts to look like a ghost (soul) within a biological machine. @w@ Adding to the mess is the increasingly strident voice in the back of my head that insists you're right- June was a self-made golem, as were the first dwarves- closer kin to medical nanotechnology than biological entities.
But taking that perspective leads right off the tinfoil ME/DA crossover deep end. TwT Nooo. Will not go.
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#6
Posté 10 août 2015 - 11:38
ooh. I like this.
The lines in my head are starting to blur, though. Should we consider golems to be a distinct concept from archdemon dragons, physical entities that carry and are controlled by an OGS? How about other potential OGS vehicles, like walking, talking statuary? Once you take a certain perspective, all sentient life starts to look like a ghost (soul) within a biological machine. @w@ Adding to the mess is the increasingly strident voice in the back of my head that insists you're right- June was a self-made golem, as were the first dwarves- closer kin to medical nanotechnology than biological entities.
But taking that perspective leads right off the tinfoil ME/DA crossover deep end. TwT Nooo. Will not go.
It has taken me the longest time to contect The Anvil of the Void with The Void and realise that in DA this basically means 'Anvil of Hell'.
The Anvil of the Void is June's Anvil. It's what he crafted Andruil's armour on.
Sorry I can't really offer much in the way of theories but a lot of what you write tends to go over my head a little bit. I'm trying to read the linked posted in the Solas thread but it's going to take me several days to digest this all properly.
I do tend to go with the theory that the gods were powerful mages, rather than connected to the OGS or Spirits (but I also think there's a connection between the Archdemons, Tevinter gods and the elven gods) which kind of contradicts my intial statement in this sentence. Basically, I want more than a Solas Greatly Disapproves following HLTA and for him to actually talk about why the Wardens are making such a huge mistake. TELL ME YOUR SECRETS, EGGMAN.
- madrar aime ceci
#7
Posté 08 septembre 2015 - 05:31
ooh. I like this.
The lines in my head are starting to blur, though. Should we consider golems to be a distinct concept from archdemon dragons, physical entities that carry and are controlled by an OGS? How about other potential OGS vehicles, like walking, talking statuary? Once you take a certain perspective, all sentient life starts to look like a ghost (soul) within a biological machine. @w@ Adding to the mess is the increasingly strident voice in the back of my head that insists you're right- June was a self-made golem, as were the first dwarves- closer kin to medical nanotechnology than biological entities.
But taking that perspective leads right off the tinfoil ME/DA crossover deep end. TwT Nooo. Will not go.
The Shepard's lost, and his home is far. Look to the stars, the dawn will come...
Wake up...
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#8
Posté 08 septembre 2015 - 06:58
The Shepard's lost, and his home is far. Look to the stars, the dawn will come...
Wake up...
Yeah, I'm with you. The parallels are thick, but there's still a lot of fundamental uncertainty. Does DA exist in warped parallel to the ME universe, as it does our own? Or are the cross-IP "easter eggs" actually hints that the two exist at different temporal points in a shared universe? It's possible one could even be nested inside the other, given the potential continued drive (dependant on which ME end is canon) to find a permanent solution to the generational cycle of Created rising against Creators. Games are a type of "simulation", after all- and DA appears to be testing a very familiar hypothesis.
Or the writers could just be messing with us. For kicks. ^w^ Time will tell.
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#9
Posté 08 septembre 2015 - 04:28
Yeah, I'm with you. The parallels are thick, but there's still a lot of fundamental uncertainty. Does DA exist in warped parallel to the ME universe, as it does our own? Or are the cross-IP "easter eggs" actually hints that the two exist at different temporal points in a shared universe? It's possible one could even be nested inside the other, given the potential continued drive (dependant on which ME end is canon) to find a permanent solution to the generational cycle of Created rising against Creators. Games are a type of "simulation", after all- and DA appears to be testing a very familiar hypothesis.
Or the writers could just be messing with us. For kicks. ^w^ Time will tell.
Thank you. You're one of the few who gets it.
I'm not asserting ANYTHING (and I know neither are you). It could be nothing. It could be just developers messing around. It could be developers hinting about other franchises but not really tying them together. Ugh.
But yes, the way you put it there is basically it. I could at least hypothetically imagine the ME and DA games, added to significantly by the 'New IP', have a sort of metacanon and metalore (all with its own rules informed with the lore/concepts of these series) that could tie all Bioware universes (assuming not including Star Wars haha) together. Eventually to mean something. Especially with possible other technologies on their way (VR? More?), there is potential, no matter how much this gen of gamers may even hate it.
But that's the most tinfoil of the tinfoil, and probably at least not at all directly relevant to the series plots so far. Sorry for off-topicing.
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