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[TeffexPope]

You say that like it's a bad thing.

ikr? The words 'lovingly' and 'breast' are like two peas in a pod.

[BansheeOwnage]

You say that like it's a bad thing.

I think it makes her chest look weird. Clothes aren't supposed to do that, and it looks unnatural. Just another reason I can't take the hideous outfit seriously, and why even if we could tint it, I would still prefer wearing armour. Coupled with the fact that most armours dramatically change your body type (to a less extreme type), it's really odd to come back to Skyhold with breasts a few sizes larger and a waist a few sizes smaller than while exploring. But that's a different issue.

[BansheeOwnage]

For folk on the PC who don't like any of the mod options, cheat engine v48 table for DAI still works for changing the Skyhold outfit.

 

@Nefla: The leather minidress Bioware stuffed female Shepard into for ME3 was probably worse than Hawke's leisure suit. Not saying that the leisure suit was good, but it was marginally better since it sort of fit the situation -- at home and relaxing.

 

As for why the pajamas looks so awful and out of place to many of us, one of these is not like the others (images):

 

Spoiler

 

The beige pajamas are really just so many bad decisions rolled into one, it's difficult to count them all:

 

(1) They accent the inquisitor's unnatural default standing pose, which makes every scene with a standing inquisitor look bad. Try to stand like the inquisitor in her pajamas for a while without wanting to put down your arms -- you can't, because no-one holds their arms out like that unless they're carrying groceries or lifting hand-weights or something. This pose was designed around avoiding clipping on a character model with thicker arms and thighs due to armor and little stuff like books and daggers. In reality the clothes and such would deform to let your arms rest naturally, but that's not possible in videogames yet and so animators have to use other tricks. Putting the inquisitor in a skin-tight outfit accentuates the unnaturalness of the standing pose.

 

(2) They look out of place because, unlike every single other outfit in the game, they have no layering, details, or color variation to make them interesting. This is why they stick out despite being plain and beige -- they look nothing like anything else in the game. And the human eye is instinctively drawn to out of place things.

 

(3) They function as the under-layer for all inquisitor armors. This is called 'underwear' or 'small-clothes'.

 

(4) They're not merely skin-tight, but appear to be molded like second skin. Especially on female characters, where the jacket has apparently been lovingly molded around each breast. Yes, this is theoretically possible to achieve with leather, and it implies that someone in-game sat down and actually molded leather until it perfectly fitted the inquisitor's bust, for the sake of one of the most unflattering outfits Bioware has come up with for a main protagonist.

 

(5) And altogether they just don't look like something that the leader of one of the most-powerful organizations in Theadas would wear while executing folk.

This is an excellent post that highlights the main reasons why the outfit is terrible. I'm glad more people are noticing that the Inquisitor's arms are held weirdly apart because they reused the armoured idle stance. Too lazy to make a new one, apparently, even though you're at Skyhold half the game.

 

I really, really wish they would listen to the community when it comes to potential fixes for this. Ideally, I know a lot of people would want a pack of alternate outfits to use, but that does require Bioware to make new content (unless they request the modders' outfits, which would be smart. It's not without precedent for devs to officially incorporate mods). But there are 2 very simple fixes Bioware could implement that require making no new content, and they are very easy to accomplish. They are:

 

- Letting us wear armour instead. As demonstrated in this thread, it's a very easy toggle on PC if you use cheat engine. I'm more than sure Bioware could simply "unlock" our armour inventory at Skyhold.

 

- Letting us tint the outfit. This is already possible in the game, and is very apparent with mage armour sets (because remember, it's underwear). All that's missing is to let us tint the one we are forced to walk around in, which also seems like a very easy thing to implement.

 

But alas, it seems like Bioware isn't interested in owning up to their mistakes and creating an enormous amount of goodwill by fixing the most agreed-upon issue in DA:I - except maybe the hair. One of those is the most agreed-upon issue, and you don't often get something so universally despised. They would be smart to fix this, if nothing else.

[Call Me Jord]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but PJ's are the things you wear in bed when you go to sleep, right?

 

But my Inquisitor's sleep naked...

 

So no, my Inquisitor's don't wear pjs in Skyhold! They have this nice casual outfit they wear, which I like the look of.

[TeffexPope]

Yes, pajamas = pjs = sleepwear.

[duckley]

The thing that really irks me is that the PJs on the female from behind look exactly like the girdles and bathing suits from the 40s. It is soooo annoying.

[Murder Knife]

They're not pyjamas, they're doublets.  Which are a real, historical, thing.

 

 

But yes, there are mods to replace them, and we should be allowed more options.

 

He has nice trousers. Or whatever you call those balloon things.

[SwobyJ]

I'd go so far as to say that it is outright pathetic that there isn't an official fix to this issue already. Literally pathetic - as in it arouses pity in me for Bioware either not being capable of doing this, or having the values that somehow have them deliberately deciding not to do it.

[SwobyJ]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but PJ's are the things you wear in bed when you go to sleep, right?

 

But my Inquisitor's sleep naked...

 

So no, my Inquisitor's don't wear pjs in Skyhold! They have this nice casual outfit they wear, which I like the look of.

 

They could at the very least let us change the color away from what I feel is one of the worst possible ones.

[ComedicSociopathy]

Not anymore. 

 

http://www.dragonage...ore-coming-soon

[BansheeOwnage]

Not anymore. 

 

http://www.dragonage...ore-coming-soon

I am happy about this, but really confused as to why we still have to pick from a certain selection instead of just wearing our armour or at least tinting the options they give us. Let us worry about our armour clipping through love interests and plan accordingly Not like it doesn't happen a lot outside of Skyhold anyway.

[pdusen]

I am happy about this, but really confused as to why we still have to pick from a certain selection instead of just wearing our armour or at least tinting the options they give us. Let us worry about our armour clipping through love interests and plan accordingly Not like it doesn't happen a lot outside of Skyhold anyway.

 

It's not a big deal to you (or me, for that matter), but observe the following from a thread dedicated entirely to clipping:

 

This is not some engine limitation, this is just lazy and bad, and frankly straight up insulting I would expect something similar from indie developer. Now go ahead tell my the story about how bad frostbite engine is and how they struggled to bring us the best product, go ahead I can use some laughter before bed.

 

Some people are so irritated by clipping that it turns them into frothing-at-the-mouth idiots.

[BansheeOwnage]

It's not a big deal to you (or me, for that matter), but observe the following from a thread dedicated entirely to clipping:

 

 

 

Some people are so irritated by clipping that it turns them into frothing-at-the-mouth idiots.

Wow, yeah  I mean, I'd be pleased if they got rid clipping too, but I understand it not being a priority. Still, I think they should have let us wear whatever and if it clips, well, that's our problem

[dreamgazer]

Not anymore. 

 

http://www.dragonage...ore-coming-soon

 

Well, hot damn.

 

[devSin]

Great, so now they let you wear the armor that everybody complains about, instead of the under-armor that everybody complains about too.

Winning.

[dreamgazer]

Great, so now they let you wear the armor that everybody complains about, instead of the under-armor that everybody complains about too.

Winning.

 

Surely at least one of the dozen options will be suitable. 

[devSin]

Surely at least one of the dozen options will be suitable.

Apparently not, since they always whine about not having any choices for their qunari.

All the outfits we've seen are basically the current light/medium/heavy components in various configurations.

[BansheeOwnage]

Apparently not, since they always whine about not having any choices for their qunari.

All the outfits we've seen are basically the current light/medium/heavy components in various configurations.

Indeed, I find it odd they would go through the trouble of setting up the wardrobe and making some presets when they could have simply let us wear our own armour...

[FKA_Servo]

Wow, yeah I mean, I'd be pleased if they got rid clipping too, but I understand it not being a priority. Still, I think they should have let us wear whatever and if it clips, well, that's our problem

Why do people even care about clipping? No matter what, there's going to be clipping. If a little bit more clipping means that our hairs aren't awful and our hats don't erase said hairs , I'll take the clipping.

I've been modding games for more than a damn decade. I'm used to clipping.

[devSin]

I'm not sure why you find it odd?

They said they went through so that the new options didn't cause more issues with clipping in all the various scenes that take place in Skyhold. That's why they don't just let you wear your own armor.

You may not like it, but it seems to be fairly clear.

[BansheeOwnage]

Why do people even care about clipping? No matter what, there's going to be clipping. If a little bit more clipping means that our hairs aren't awful and our hats don't erase said hairs , I'll take the clipping.

I've been modding games for more than a damn decade. I'm used to clipping.

Oh, I agree 100%.

 

I'm not sure why you find it odd?

They said they went through so that the new options didn't cause more issues with clipping in all the various scenes that take place in Skyhold. That's why they don't just let you wear your own armor.

You may not like it, but it seems to be fairly clear.

Of course I find it odd. I know their reasoning, I just disagree with it. There is no disadvantage to letting us wear any armour set. If a player doesn't like the clipping it causes, they can choose something else. It's optional. And I refuse to take the clipping argument seriously until Bioware drastically reduces the clipping that can't even be avoided by choosing different clothes. Let's have Dorian's staff wave through him while he's talking, or have Solas' arm go through his own head, but not let us choose our outfit because certain combinations might clip? That's just not a good enough reason for me.

[Nefla]

Of course I find it odd. I know their reasoning, I just disagree with it. There is no disadvantage to letting us wear any armour set. If a player doesn't like the clipping it causes, they can choose something else. It's optional. And I refuse to take the clipping argument seriously until Bioware drastically reduces the clipping that can't even be avoided by choosing different clothes. Let's have Dorian's staff wave through him while he's talking, or have Solas' arm go through his own head, but not let us choose our outfit because certain combinations might clip? That's just not a good enough reason for me.

This has always been my feeling as well. They claim that they're super strict about clipping and that the artists take an insane amount of pride in their work and won't allow the possibility of clipping, but on the other hand stuff clips everywhere all the time and there are other graphical glitches as well. (running water texture on EVERYTHING in some places, broken elf arms, floating heads, etc...) Not letting Qunari have hair was supposed to save us from the possibility of the hair clipping slightly through the horns (I guess?) but the cost far outweighs the "benefit" imo and then what's the benefit of limiting that ugly outfit to allover beige? Or the weird seaming on the pants that definitely reminds me of long underwear?The skyhold PJs collar clips through my Qunari's face in every scene due to the low angle he's seen from, the male elf arms are still sucked inside his body and broken, obviously they didn't care about that stuff.

[BansheeOwnage]

This has always been my feeling as well. They claim that they're super strict about clipping and that the artists take an insane amount of pride in their work and won't allow the possibility of clipping, but on the other hand stuff clips everywhere all the time and there are other graphical glitches as well. (running water texture on EVERYTHING in some places, broken elf arms, floating heads, etc...) Not letting Qunari have hair was supposed to save us from the possibility of the hair clipping slightly through the horns (I guess?) but the cost far outweighs the "benefit" imo and then what's the benefit of limiting that ugly outfit to allover beige? Or the weird seaming on the pants that definitely reminds me of long underwear?The skyhold PJs collar clips through my Qunari's face in every scene due to the low angle he's seen from, the male elf arms are still sucked inside his body and broken, obviously they didn't care about that stuff.

And the list goes on. That list is exactly why I get annoyed at them limiting us "for our own good" because of clipping. I don't hear about people on PC who wear armour around Skyhold complaining about clipping. They can just swap outfits as we should have the option of doing.

 

You talked about running water on things and it made me remember: I don't know why everyone in the fade is dirty and wet. I suppose it's probably intentional and not a bug, but I don't know what they were going for artistically...

 

For the Skyhold outfit, if you're referring to the crotch lines, then yeah... I have no idea why they thought that looked good. I like the rest of the pants fine - not the top though. As for the colour, well apparently that specific beige colour is exactly the same as the colour of the dirt that builds up on your clothes while you walk so you don't see it in Skyhold. Yes, that's right. Not only is it a bit sad that it's literally dirt-coloured, but it means they chose they easy way out; they sacrificed any number of better looks of both style and colour instead of finding a way to disable the dirt in Skyhold (at least from the stone places). Honestly, I would have liked that as a setting similar to blood build-up. I wonder if the new outfits will build up dirt. And honestly, I don't care. It's worth it if it means no more beige. /minirant

 

Qunari hair... yeah. The main reason I'll probably never make one. You can't even get access to more if you go horn-less... Which I'm sure is what you'd see a lot if you could Anyway, Bioware is inconsistent and has weird priorities. Nothing new here. I'm very glad something is finally being done, but I can't help be confused and frustrated by their decisions sometimes   

[pdusen]

Just to play devil's advocate: you don't give up on fixing bugs altogether just because there's a lot of bugs you don't have the time or budget to get to.

 

In the same way, just because there's a lot of clipping left in the game doesn't mean you never try to prevent any of it at all. Think of how much clipping there would be then.

[BansheeOwnage]

Just to play devil's advocate: you don't give up on fixing bugs altogether just because there's a lot of bugs you don't have the time or budget to get to.

 

In the same way, just because there's a lot of clipping left in the game doesn't mean you never try to prevent any of it at all. Think of how much clipping there would be then.

I don't want them to stop getting rid of clipping, it's just that their reasoning seems a bit lackluster when

 

1. It's so prominent already

2. It would likely only affect a small number of armour permutations

 

#2 is the my primary gripe. I just think there is a lot more to be gained from letting us wear any armour set than only a select few because some might clip. I view it in a similar vein as not letting us have a non-beige outfit at Skyhold (at least until now) because it would build up dirt (or any other situation like that). The trade-off just isn't worth it. That's all I'm saying.