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[Bryan Johnson]

You also need to remember that it isn't just clipping it is kind of a tone kind of thing. Just like how we like to put our feet up, dressed in pajamas watching netflix at home. The characters dont necessarly want to have to wear armor when they are sitting at home and from their mind out of immediate danger. Having a group of nobles show up and you greet them in full armor at your safe castle doesn't necessarly paint a picture of safety. 

[FKA_Servo]

You also need to remember that it isn't just clipping it is kind of a tone kind of thing. Just like how we like to put our feet up, dressed in pajamas watching netflix at home. The characters dont necessarly want to have to wear armor when they are sitting at home and from their mind out of immediate danger. Having a group of nobles show up and you greet them in full armor at your safe castle doesn't necessarly paint a picture of safety. 

 

In all fairness, neither necessarily does greeting them in your (presumably) extremely well worn underclothes - and sometimes, you make a character who just flat out looks silly walking around in that getup. The wardrobe is a good solution though, and better late than never. Snarking aside, I can't overstate how happy I am with some of the feedback you've taken and run with lately. The Black Emporium fixed about 60% of my issues, this one fixes the rest of them pretty handily.

 

When I complain about clipping, though, I'm mostly talking about other stuff... primarily hair and hats. SWTOR did the same thing, with the ridiculous skullcaps and I guess having hat meshes just flat out replace the hair mesh is pretty common, but it looks silly. I think finding a solution to that would have been worth the time and zots, honestly. Even if it's just a matter of crafting a "hat" for each hair mesh, you only have to do it with a few pieces of the headgear. Most of them do plausibly cover the entire head anyway, and then we'd be able to enjoy our orlesian mage hats and our fancy hairdos.

[BansheeOwnage]

You also need to remember that it isn't just clipping it is kind of a tone kind of thing. Just like how we like to put our feet up, dressed in pajamas watching netflix at home. The characters dont necessarly want to have to wear armor when they are sitting at home and from their mind out of immediate danger. Having a group of nobles show up and you greet them in full armor at your safe castle doesn't necessarly paint a picture of safety. 

That's a perfectly valid point... for certain Inquisitors. Cullen and Cassandra always wear armour in Skyhold for instance, so we should be able to have a mindset similar to theirs. Just like you could have your military uniform in ME3, or wear a hoodie. That's great for role-play value, but only if we can actually choose, so I'm glad for the wardrobe. And as TommyServo said, wearing what is literally pajamas (you sleep in them multiple times) and underwear (it's under almost all armour) is also fine for a certain type of character, but not most.

[Nefla]

Just to play devil's advocate: you don't give up on fixing bugs altogether just because there's a lot of bugs you don't have the time or budget to get to.

 

In the same way, just because there's a lot of clipping left in the game doesn't mean you never try to prevent any of it at all. Think of how much clipping there would be then.

To me it would have made much more sense to fix something that had no benefits such as the water running down everything, or the broken elf arms. Being able to wear decent looking clothing or making a Qunari with decent hair, those are both good things that are taken away over a fear of clipping.

 

You also need to remember that it isn't just clipping it is kind of a tone kind of thing. Just like how we like to put our feet up, dressed in pajamas watching netflix at home. The characters dont necessarly want to have to wear armor when they are sitting at home and from their mind out of immediate danger. Having a group of nobles show up and you greet them in full armor at your safe castle doesn't necessarly paint a picture of safety. 

I definitely think our regular armor would have been more appropriate than pajamas/long underwear for greeting nobles, etc...I actually feel really embarrassed having to run around skyhold like that, everyone else is wearing either armor, or normal clothes. Even Solas is dressed more appropriately and he's basically a mountain hobo if we'd been able to pick our own casual outfit like in ME2 or ME3 or were able to equip whatever we wanted then we could decide for ourselves if the inquisitor was an exhibitionist who liked to run around undressed. SWtOR lets you wear whatever you want and you deal with any clipping on your own. My Twi'lek's lekku or my human's long hair or my Zabrak's horns don't clip through anything because I'm smart enough to take care of that on my own. The game didn't have to restrict me to something ugly to hold my hand and save me from clipping. The Skyhold outfit also highlights another huge issue of mine which are the male elf's broken arms and shoulders. With bulkier armors you can hide it but in those long-johns, the problem is on full display. I know this rant is kind of mean but I literally have nothing good to say about that outfit.

[berelinde]

You also need to remember that it isn't just clipping it is kind of a tone kind of thing. Just like how we like to put our feet up, dressed in pajamas watching netflix at home. The characters dont necessarly want to have to wear armor when they are sitting at home and from their mind out of immediate danger. Having a group of nobles show up and you greet them in full armor at your safe castle doesn't necessarly paint a picture of safety. 

I get what you're saying, but when I come home from work and want to put my feet up, I don't reach for the skin-tight leather pants and four-sizes-too-small turtleneck. And while greeting visitors while wearing armor might not convey an impression of safety, it does convey an impression of respect. Armor is formal, at least, and if the castle were attacked, the inquisitor might be able to defend his or her guests without having to go down to the armory to gear up. Guests might have a right to expect protection during their stay, and their host might wish to convey an air of competence.

[agonis]

I get what you're saying, but when I come home from work and want to put my feet up, I don't reach for the skin-tight leather pants and four-sizes-too-small turtleneck. And while greeting visitors while wearing armor might not convey an impression of safety, it does convey an impression of respect. Armor is formal, at least, and if the castle were attacked, the inquisitor might be able to defend his or her guests without having to go down to the armory to gear up. Guests might have a right to expect protection during their stay, and their host might wish to convey an air of competence.

 

That sentence made me laugh.

 

Now that I think of it, it seems rather weird. Like some kind of fetish.

The beige pyjama was the reason I stopped playing my Qunari male at Haven. Lord, this stuff is hurting the eyes of the Maker.

[berelinde]

You think the qunari is bad? The male dwarf is... much worse.

[SwobyJ]

Ugh so, so bad.

 

Please learn from this, whoever-made-this-decision.

[Thandal N'Lyman]

BW have learnt.  An expanded Skyhold "wardrobe" is included with the "Golden Nug" patch Coming Soon™

("Soon", as in, "before 'Trespasser' releases next week.")

[Bhryaen]

From Mike Laidlaw's announcement:

The default beige is still available if that's your jam, of course, but we heard loud and clear that some (okay, yes, pretty much everyone) of you wanted some variety.

 

Come on, that's pretty funny. Well, it made me chuckle. I guess it's funnier to me just because I only started playing DAI a couple weeks ago, so the beigey-puke pj's haven't been bugging me that long. I remember first balking at the Skyhold PJ's in Haven. First, they seemed odd to be wearing to bed- a bit too tight to be relaxing in- but, OK, they're pj's. But then on the third time entering the Haven War Room, Cullen and Cassandra were fully armored, Leliana was in her hooded leather gear, everyone formally dressed... but I had on my pj's again??? I felt embarrassed for my characters. The first two times I was armored- looked great! Then to be perpetually in pj's in Skyhold...

 

I'm looking forward to the new wardrobe (it'll be available to those who haven't finished DAI's main story campaign, yes?), but I'm wondering if I'm still going to end up in the War Room in my... informal wear.

[BansheeOwnage]

I'm glad for the wardrobe, no question. But I wish they announced it sooner. They've obviously planned it for a while, and it would have helped both them and us if we knew it was coming as soon as possible.

 

I get what you're saying, but when I come home from work and want to put my feet up, I don't reach for the skin-tight leather pants and four-sizes-too-small turtleneck. And while greeting visitors while wearing armor might not convey an impression of safety, it does convey an impression of respect. Armor is formal, at least, and if the castle were attacked, the inquisitor might be able to defend his or her guests without having to go down to the armory to gear up. Guests might have a right to expect protection during their stay, and their host might wish to convey an air of competence.

Couldn't have said it better! I'm glad you explained it more than I did.

[Kantr]

Come on, that's pretty funny. Well, it made me chuckle. I guess it's funnier to me just because I only started playing DAI a couple weeks ago, so the beigey-puke pj's haven't been bugging me that long. I remember first balking at the Skyhold PJ's in Haven. First, they seemed odd to be wearing to bed- a bit too tight to be relaxing in- but, OK, they're pj's. But then on the third time entering the Haven War Room, Cullen and Cassandra were fully armored, Leliana was in her hooded leather gear, everyone formally dressed... but I had on my pj's again??? I felt embarrassed for my characters. The first two times I was armored- looked great! Then to be perpetually in pj's in Skyhold...

 

I'm looking forward to the new wardrobe (it'll be available to those who haven't finished DAI's main story campaign, yes?), but I'm wondering if I'm still going to end up in the War Room in my... informal wear.

I'll have you know my Inquisitor sleeps in the nude.

[Nefla]

I'll have you know my Inquisitor sleeps in the nude.

Nude would have been preferable, at least it would have been funny rather than sad

[Bhryaen]

I'll have you know my Inquisitor sleeps in the nude.

Um... the whole "too much information" thingy...

 

 

Nude would have been preferable, at least it would have been funny rather than sad

Not sure why they sacrificed the "small clothes" appearance actually- bit of a surprise at this point. They'd done a luscious job of it in vanilla DA2...

[BansheeOwnage]

I'll have you know my Inquisitor sleeps in the nude.

Well, no actually. Quizzy wakes up after talking to Solas in the fade in the pajamas.

[Kantr]

Well, no actually. Quizzy wakes up after talking to Solas in the fade in the pajamas.

Yes I know.

[Rolenka]

they're not pajamas.  It's a warm up suit. 

 

What are you warming up for?

[berelinde]

What are you warming up for?

Hiding on some doctor's waiting room carpet, evidently.

[Nefla]

Well I'm happy that we don't have to wear it anymore! Better late than never

[BansheeOwnage]

Well I'm happy that we don't have to wear it anymore! Better late than never

Me too! I'm disappointed we can't wear it in haven and consequently not during the Inquisitor's coronation and Skyhold intro, but yes. This outfit is so much better than the Dread Beige!

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[Nefla]

Me too! I'm disappointed we can't wear it in haven and consequently not during the Inquisitor's coronation and Skyhold intro, but yes. This outfit is so much better than the Dread Beige!

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Much better!

[NM_Che56]

What are you warming up for?

Stuff!

[Nefla]

Stuff!

Also things!

[vertigomez]

Not sure why they sacrificed the "small clothes" appearance actually- bit of a surprise at this point. They'd done a luscious job of it in vanilla DA2...

What, you didn't like the unisex loincloth look of DAO?