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[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The asari we're using it for centuries they were more than capable of locating the VI.

 

And humans had the Mars archives for about a half century and suddenly noticed the blue prints for the Crucible just about the time the reapers invaded, AND The Illusive Man got the location of the Thessia Archive from the Mars Archive, or did we miss that one, too? Seriously? We should have known that and asked the Asari about them long before the reapers invaded.

 

We're still arguing about this? When will Mass Effect fans realize that this was nothing more than a plot device?

 

The Asari were hanging onto theirs and were able to get away with it for 2000 years. No one ever got suspicious and thought they had discovered all this stuff on their own. The entire  galaxy had bought Asari propaganda. It provided them with huge economic advantages and military advantages. It probably kept them from being conquered by the Turians. And fortunately for everyone in the galaxy they were not aggressive and didn't take over the entire galaxy 2000 years earlier considering the head start they had. They used their advantage to mediate and keep the peace. It allowed them to profit. And in the end everyone who went along for the ride profited until the reapers invaded.

 

The entire galaxy was handed the idiot ball when it came to things like "the Crucible" and finding the Thessian Archives. Only evil geniuses like The Illusive Man could find those things first. If it wasn't for James, Eva Core would have gotten away and we never would have seen plans for The Crucible. And if it wasn't for EDI, our side never would have had the plans for the Crucible because the resident program in Eva Core would have fried its memory. So the villain, The Illusive Man said "Curses! Foiled again!" when he lost those plans, but he was able to foil Shepard by somehow getting the location for the Thessian Archives from Eva Core during the two weeks she was on Mars, yet no one else on Alliance staff noticed (because they were the good guys).

 

Needing a prothean to activate it? The protheans left all this stuff for the next cycle and you needed a prothean to activate it? LOL.

 

Plot devices.

[Dantriges]

Reaper tech. That on Thessia is an example of Hollywood superhacking of the highest degree.

 

The asari kept a beacon secret, the turians stole evidence from a salvage site and built some nice guns, the salarians violated the no contact rule for the Yahg and abducted some of them and the human alliance is totally ok with it, if Shep and Udina stage their little coup in ME 1.

 

Seems that realpolitik is pretty common among the political elite of the galaxy. I would consider the idea of throwing the galaxy´s politicians out of an airlock but singling out the whole Asari species?   

[themikefest]

 If it wasn't for James, Eva Core would have gotten away and we never would have seen plans for The Crucible. 

And had Liara downloaded the plans to her omnitool, we would've known about Thessia from the beginning. But she couldn't since she never found the plans, she only found clues that led her to Mars.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

That's right, she did. It's been a while. If I remember correctly Liara found clues that led her to the Crucible plans on Mars, but didn't find the clues to the Thessia Archives. Only Eva Core did.

 

Yeah, Drew Karpyshyn did write that all Human Council coup in ME1 that carried into ME2, and even Anderson goes along with it, but the other races resisted, and the full Council gets brought back in ME3. I'll be that if the other races didn't resist, humans wouldn't have complained one bit.

[Drone223]

And humans had the Mars archives for about a half century and suddenly noticed the blue prints for the Crucible just about the time the reapers invaded, AND The Illusive Man got the location of the Thessia Archive from the Mars Archive, or did we miss that one, too? Seriously? We should have known that and asked the Asari about them long before the reapers invaded.

A few decades is nothing compared to a couple thousand years.

 

The Asari were hanging onto theirs and were able to get away with it for 2000 years. No one ever got suspicious and thought they had discovered all this stuff on their own. The entire  galaxy had bought Asari propaganda. It provided them with huge economic advantages and military advantages. It probably kept them from being conquered by the Turians. And fortunately for everyone in the galaxy they were not aggressive and didn't take over the entire galaxy 2000 years earlier considering the head start they had. They used their advantage to mediate and keep the peace. It allowed them to profit. And in the end everyone who went along for the ride profited until the reapers invaded.

 

Yet they did nothing to help until the reaper's showed up on their doorstep and it ended badly for them, sharing the beacon could've help save a lot of lives.

 

The entire galaxy was handed the idiot ball when it came to things like "the Crucible" and finding the Thessian Archives. Only evil geniuses like The Illusive Man could find those things first. If it wasn't for James, Eva Core would have gotten away and we never would have seen plans for The Crucible. And if it wasn't for EDI, our side never would have had the plans for the Crucible because the resident program in Eva Core would have fried its memory. So the villain, The Illusive Man said "Curses! Foiled again!" when he lost those plans, but he was able to foil Shepard by somehow getting the location for the Thessian Archives from Eva Core during the two weeks she was on Mars, yet no one else on Alliance staff noticed (because they were the good guys).

 

Needing a prothean to activate it? The protheans left all this stuff for the next cycle and you needed a prothean to activate it? LOL.

 

Plot devices.

 

That doesn't change the fact that the asari should still called out for what they did.

 

They no doubt gained advantages from studying the technology used in its construction.

 

Though I don't see any particular reason why the Asari couldn't have maintained a technological edge largely through their own efforts.

It was stated that the reason why the asari kept it secret was to matain their technological advantage so its quite obvious that the beacon is the source of said advantage.

[Fayfel]

I don't give much weight to the idea of asari technological supremacy. It was established by the guy who wrote the codex that the Council races operate on a shared technology base. One Council race having a significant technological edge over the others wouldn't have happened.

 

Of course I consider Chris L'Etoile's version of ME3 to be more canon than ME3, so take it for what it's worth to you

[Dantriges]

Chris L'Etoile´s version of ME 3?

[Fade9wayz]

That's utter nonsense TIM was able to do it without a prothean marker if he was able to do it without it than so can the asari.

You don't even have proof of that, and anyway, the VI was already activated thanks to Shepard. From there, it wasn't hard for TIM to hack it. Cerberus did have to wait until it was activated before stealing it. That means they couldn't hack it by themselves, and so couldn't the Asari. You're the nonsensical one, trying to bend and twist facts to better frame your ideas.
 

The asari are considered to be the compromises and diplomats of the galaxy, yet its okay for them get away with withholding prothean tech when they were the ones who made it illegal to do so in the first place. The asari deserve to be called out on their hypocrisy.

So what? Humanity is murderous, so that's okay for them to commit genocide, treason and mass murders and we shouldn't call them on it? Asari should be the perfect kind angels, there to provide good advice, strip-teases and get f***ed bare-footed in the kitchen by every other species, because they are not supposed to be like normal people and wanting the best for themselves. I never said it was okay to withhold tech, but they already paid for it, and the whole species doesn't deserve to be thrown out of the airlock for this. If they do, then humanity deserves to be tortured, burnt, drowned, minced and stringed before being thrown out of the airlock.
At least, Asari came clean with their mistake. Humanity, the Alliance, on the other hand, was all too happy to hide from the Council the nukes they sent in space after the First contact war. You deserve to be called on your own hypocrisy.

Oh, and without Asari, Earth would have most likely been conquered by Turians, and humanity made into another client species like Volus. Or simply wiped out, if too problematic to control.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The premise that the Protheans required someone to be thinking like a Prothean to understand their beacon and to activate the VI on Thessia is absurd. Yet again the beacon affecting Shepard the way it did was similar to the taint affecting the Wardens, and the mark affecting the Inquisitor. It's a plot device to make the character essentially the Jesus of the story. They're special, the only ones in their story who can perform the given tasks. Without them the entire galaxy, Thedas, is doomed.

[Drone223]

You don't even have proof of that, and anyway, the VI was already activated thanks to Shepard. From there, it wasn't hard for TIM to hack it. Cerberus did have to wait until it was activated before stealing it. That means they couldn't hack it by themselves, and so couldn't the Asari. You're the nonsensical one, trying to bend and twist facts to better frame your ideas.
 

The beacon was the source of the asari's technological advantage for about 2000 years they had plenty of time to uncover it.

 

 

So what? Humanity is murderous, so that's okay for them to commit genocide, treason and mass murders and we shouldn't call them on it? Asari should be the perfect kind angels, there to provide good advice, strip-teases and get f***ed bare-footed in the kitchen by every other species, because they are not supposed to be like normal people and wanting the best for themselves. I never said it was okay to withhold tech, but they already paid for it, and the whole species doesn't deserve to be thrown out of the airlock for this. If they do, then humanity deserves to be tortured, burnt, drowned, minced and stringed before being thrown out of the airlock.

So basically we're not allowed to call the asari out on their hypocrisy and that they should get a free pass. The reason why the conversation Shepard had with the asari councilor after Thessia is one of the most hated conversations in the series was because we weren't allowed to call her out.

 

 

At least, Asari came clean with their mistake.

 

They didn't there's is no way the other species will let it slide just because they lost their homeworld, if the galaxy won the war I wouldn't be surprised if the asari have to answer for withholding technology that could've saved more lives.

 

 

Humanity, the Alliance, on the other hand, was all too happy to hide from the Council the nukes they sent in space after the First contact war. You deserve to be called on your own hypocrisy.

 

Not a good comparison because the Alliance didn't create a law that forbid withholding prothean technology and they don't pretend to have enlightened political system like the asari.

 

 

Oh, and without Asari, Earth would have most likely been conquered by Turians, and humanity made into another client species like Volus. Or simply wiped out, if too problematic to control.

 

Again that's no excuse for giving the asari a free pass for what they did.

 

 

 

The premise that the Protheans required someone to be thinking like a Prothean to understand their beacon and to activate the VI on Thessia is absurd. Yet again the beacon affecting Shepard the way it did was similar to the taint affecting the Wardens, and the mark affecting the Inquisitor. It's a plot device to make the character essentially the Jesus of the story. They're special, the only ones in their story who can perform the given tasks. Without them the entire galaxy, Thedas, is doomed.

Again that doesn'r change the fcat that the asari been gathering data from it for about 2000 years they had plenty of time to access it.

[Livi14]

At least the Asari didn't try a coup in the middle of the war, like the humans. And what about the Salarians who didn't help at -all- if you cured the Genophage. They just sat back and let everyone else make the sacrifices to "save" the galaxy they also lived in. Stop singling out the Asari. The mistakes of some of the other races were just as bad, if not worse.

All advanced galactic civilizations are based on Prothean technology. They all have their Prothean ruins or Prothean artifacts, and it's naive to assume that they let anyone else study it (see humanity and Mars).

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

Well... This turned out blaming the asari so fast. I am amused.

 

So you say asari are responsible for all the trouble with Reapers coming? You say asari have ruined the defence of the Milky Way with not_sharing the Thessia Archives?..

 

1. Rachni weren't considered sapient and civilized enough to settle diplomacies with. When rachni became a problem, it was salarians who came up with their 'sterile krogan nation' solution, which in my books is nazism. 

You really think sharing advanced tech with them is a good idea?

 

2. Turians... When a turian sees a problem, turian shoots it into face first. Everything that can be used as a wepon will be used as a weapon in their hands. Remember the First Contact war, yes? Let's share some advanced tech with turians, so that once some power-crazy turian hits the floor he/she succeeds. 

btw, it was asari who bargained the peace between turians and humans. 

 

3. Krogans are victims of genocide with a full right to seek revenge after the genophage went live. Also krogans are alogical, violent living tanks with weapons suitted for vehicles in their hands... Yes, let's share some tech with the guys. That will ensure the peace and reinforce MW defences, no doubt.

 

4. Quarians have created the sapient AI nation - the Geth. Short after that quarians failed to maintain control of that advanced AI nation, 'd lost their home planet and went gypsies.

Yes, let's share some tech with them and hope that they won't totally give in to another AI nation, thousands times greater than the Geth.

 

And so on. Point is - there were no qualified and trusty nations in the MW to share such an impressive piece, you see? The cure looks much worse than the disease, so there's no point in trying.

[Dantriges]

Ah I see, it´s the asari fanbase.

 

The conversation with the councillor is one of the most hated conversations in the entire series? I didn´t know. Perhaps Shep didn´t say anything because it would be hypocrisy after blowing up the collector base full of reaper-prothean tech because he was too dumb to call Hackett/Council or turning over the base to one of the current enemies. Let´s not forget the exquisite prothean decor, we collected for Cerberus in ME 2 and the pyramid which probably turned up in Cerberus hands.

 

And well the Alliance knew of the reapers coming soon, not in a hundred years or so but in a few months or years. Still it was only one asari who worked at the prothean archive.

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

Ah I see, it´s the asari fanbase.

 

The conversation with the councillor is one of the most hated conversations in the entire series? I didn´t know. Perhaps Shep didn´t say anything because it would be hypocrisy after blowing up the collector base full of reaper-prothean tech because he was too dumb to call Hackett/Council or turning over the base to one of the current enemies. Let´s not forget the exquisite prothean decor, we collected for Cerberus in ME 2 and the pyramid which probably turned up in Cerberus hands.

 

And well the Alliance knew of the reapers coming soon, not in a hundred years or so but in a few months or years. Still it was only one asari who worked at the prothean archive.

 

Allliance was one of the few to decline Reaper threat as a reality. Remember Udina?..

[Dantriges]

Yes, they did the same as the whole council did. And they blew up the Alpha Relay if you didn´t. Just an assumption that it was harder to ignore the evidence after you parked a ship full of spyware and recordings in their docking bay even if you blew up the Alpha Relay.

[Fade9wayz]

The beacon was the source of the asari's technological advantage for about 2000 years they had plenty of time to uncover it.

And you're eagerly ignoring the fact that they couldn't access the VI part. It would have mentionned being accessed to by Asari if they could have hacked it. But no, you're making the thousand of years they had into a fake evidence that Asari could have accessed it in lieu of actual evidence they did. A possibility is not a hard evidence. Check with your lawyer.
 

So basically we're not allowed to call the asari out on their hypocrisy and that they should get a free pass. The reason why the conversation Shepard had with the asari councilor after Thessia is one of the most hated conversations in the series was because we weren't allowed to call her out.

I didn't hate that conversation. In fact I found it was one of the best, one of the few that actually underlined how actually hopeless the war against the Reapers was. Until then I felt my Shepard was just the errand girl solving everyone's problems for them. And again I didn't say you couldn't call them on their hypocrisy. Obviously you can't read. I said you couldn't condemn a whole species for the acts of a few of them, and then called out your own hypocrisy. I don't know how to be clearer than that, if you still don't understand, there's no hope for you.
And the woman just learned her home planet was basically lost, ordered all the remaining Asari forces to the Crucible instead of letting them, or at least a part of them, try and protect Thessia (none of the other species did that), and you still want to rub it in? How elegant. Even renegade Shepard didn't stoop so low. You're just sour, because it's the one part of the game where you couldn't save the day and had a taste of defeat. Blaming it on the Asari is SOOO easy.
 

They didn't there's is no way the other species will let it slide just because they lost their homeworld, if the galaxy won the war I wouldn't be surprised if the asari have to answer for withholding technology that could've saved more lives.

They did, they admitted their mistake. And yes, maybe the Asari responsible for this mistake will be held accountable after the war, but so will be the other species' leaders for their own mistakes, humans first.
 
 

Not a good comparison because the Alliance didn't create a law that forbid withholding prothean technology and they don't pretend to have enlightened political system like the asari.

Perfectly good comparison, you don't have to create a law to be guilty of breaching it or any wrongdoing. The Alliance still hid some serious sh*t that could have them at war with Turians all over again, or prevented them to ever get a Council seat, all for the advancement of humanity. Besides, Asari don't need to pretend. They HAVE a pretty enlightened political system. Would you have preferred they were the war-mongering, conquering type? With the technological advance they had on every other species, they could have easily created a galactic empire as great, if not greater than the Protheans. Instead they preferred diplomacy and mediation to solve most conflicts. The galaxy would be in much worse shape against Reapers if not for them. Turians and Salarians might have erradicated Krogans and Turians might have destroyed Earth. Is the Asari political system perfect? Of course not, there's no such thing as a perfect poltical system, but at least it's a democracy with a high level of culture, care for its citizen, general morality, freedom, stability and interest for other cultures/species (not in the lab-testing way of the Salarians).

[Drone223]

At least the Asari didn't try a coup in the middle of the war, like the humans. Stop singling out the Asari. The mistakes of some of the other races were just as bad, if not worse.
 

So basically its okay to call out turian's humans etc. on their actions but when the asari screw something up they get a free pass? Its just basically double standards.

 

 

 

And what about the Salarians who didn't help at -all- if you cured the Genophage. They just sat back and let everyone else make the sacrifices to "save" the galaxy they also lived in

 

 

See above. asari had a beacon that was essential to the crucible yet they waited till their homewrold was under siege to share if they shared it eariler more lives would've been saved. Not to mention they did not attend the war summit which were they were needed due to their diplomatic skills.
 

All advanced galactic civilizations are based on Prothean technology. They all have their Prothean ruins or Prothean artifacts, and it's naive to assume that they let anyone else study it (see humanity and Mars).

 

 

Except it was the asari who created the law that bans with holding prothean technology they should be called out for their hypocrisy in creating that law.

 

Ah I see, it´s the asari fanbase.

 

The conversation with the councillor is one of the most hated conversations in the entire series? I didn´t know. Perhaps Shep didn´t say anything because it would be hypocrisy after blowing up the collector base full of reaper-prothean tech because he was too dumb to call Hackett/Council or turning over the base to one of the current enemies. Let´s not forget the exquisite prothean decor, we collected for Cerberus in ME 2 and the pyramid which probably turned up in Cerberus hands.

 

And well the Alliance knew of the reapers coming soon, not in a hundred years or so but in a few months or years. Still it was only one asari who worked at the prothean archive.

Except Cerberus got to the CB first and the Alliance lacks the  IFF to safely cross the omega relay.

 

And you're eagerly ignoring the fact that they couldn't access the VI part. It would have mentionned being accessed to by Asari if they could have hacked it. But no, you're making the thousand of years they had into a fake evidence that Asari could have accessed it in lieu of actual evidence they did. A possibility is not a hard evidence. Check with your lawyer.
 

The asari had plenty of time to find a means to get VI and hack it.

 

 

I didn't hate that conversation. In fact I found it was one of the best, one of the few that actually underlined how actually hopeless the war against the Reapers was. Until then I felt my Shepard was just the errand girl solving everyone's problems for them. And again I didn't say you couldn't call them on their hypocrisy. Obviously you can't read. I said you couldn't condemn a whole species for the acts of a few of them, and then called out your own hypocrisy. I don't know how to be clearer than that, if you still don't understand, there's no hope for you.
And the woman just learned her home planet was basically lost, ordered all the remaining Asari forces to the Crucible instead of letting them, or at least a part of them, try and protect Thessia (none of the other species did that), and you still want to rub it in? How elegant. Even renegade Shepard didn't stoop so low. You're just sour, because it's the one part of the game where you couldn't save the day and had a taste of defeat. Blaming it on the Asari is SOOO easy.

 

Except before that countless numbers of turian's humans etc. were dying and while that was happening the asari were content with staying on the sidelines. They should've shared that beacon earlier because more lives would've been saved and the loss of their homeworld might have been avoided so she be called out on not sharing the beacon sooner.

 

 

They did, they admitted their mistake. And yes, maybe the Asari responsible for this mistake will be held accountable after the war,

 

The asari have been doing ti for 2000 years a slap on the wrist isn't going to cut it.
 

 

but so will be the other species' leaders for their own mistakes, humans first.

 

Except human's won't since a lot of their leadership was killed during the earlier stages of the war and by the end of ME3 the Anderson and Hackett were basically running the Alliance.

 

Perfectly good comparison, you don't have to create a law to be guilty of breaching it or any wrongdoing. The Alliance still hid some serious sh*t that could have them at war with Turians all over again, or prevented them to ever get a Council seat, all for the advancement of humanity. Besides, Asari don't need to pretend. They HAVE a pretty enlightened political system. Would you have preferred they were the war-mongering, conquering type? With the technological advance they had on every other species, they could have easily created a galactic empire as great, if not greater than the Protheans. Instead they preferred diplomacy and mediation to solve most conflicts. The galaxy would be in much worse shape against Reapers if not for them. Turians and Salarians might have erradicated Krogans and Turians might have destroyed Earth. Is the Asari political system perfect? Of course not, there's no such thing as a perfect poltical system, but at least it's a democracy with a high level of culture, care for its citizen, general morality, freedom, stability and interest for other cultures/species (not in the lab-testing way of the Salarians).

 

Your missing the point the worst part of breaking the law was the fact that the asari were the ones who made it in the first place. The asari can't claim to be enlightened if they are breaking the very laws they've created.

[Dantriges]

Except Cerberus got to the CB first and the Alliance lacks the  IFF to safely cross the omega relay.

 
Shep can park his shiny frigate which is able to shred a collector cruiser in half a minute in front of the relay until buddy Hackett comes and then turn over the IFF.
 

 

The asari have been doing ti for 2000 years a slap on the wrist isn't going to cut it.

 

And what is an appropriate punishment for the species for withholding information, they didn´t know they had and 99,99% of the population was totally unaware of? No one knew that the VI was there, because of Shep´s magic cypher could call it out or whatever. And every species got their techbase jumpstarted by access to prothean tech or someone who had it.

[Drone223]

 
Shep can park his shiny frigate which is able to shred a collector cruiser in half a minute in front of the relay until buddy Hackett comes and then turn over the IFF.
 

I seriously doubt Cerberus or the collector's will just sit idle and let that happen.

 

 

And what is an appropriate punishment for the species for withholding information, they didn´t know they had and 99,99% of the population was totally unaware of? No one knew that the VI was there, because of Shep´s magic cypher could call it out or whatever.

 

The protheans intended the asari to be their successor's it'd stupid for them not to give the asari the means to access it. 

 

And every species got their techbase jumpstarted by access to prothean tech or someone who had it.

 

In the temple very points out that the beacon is giving them a significant advantage when compared to other species.

[Barquiel]

I seriously doubt Cerberus or the collector's will just sit idle and let that happen.
 
The protheans intended the asari to be their successor's it'd stupid for them not to give the asari the means to access it. 
 
In the temple very points out that the beacon is giving them a significant advantage when compared to other species.

We're told that the species in our cycle couldn't activate prothean beacons, as we were not evolved to the same mental capability of them. Did the prothean scientists assume the asari would evolve it, or that some protheans would emerge from stasis to activate it? We don't know. But it's stated *several* times that you need the cypher to comprehend the beacon.

And humanity hit the motherlode of prothean finds compared to every other race, including the crucible blueprints. ("In 2148, prospectors exploring near the Deseado Crater found the source of these disturbances when they unearthed a subterranean Prothean ruin, containing a malfunctioning mass effect core and several starships,as well as refined element zero"). You want to point fingers, point them in humanity's direction.

[Drone223]

We're told that the species in our cycle couldn't activate prothean beacons, as we were not evolved to the same mental capability of them. Did the prothean scientists assume the asari would evolve it, or that some protheans would emerge from stasis to activate it? We don't know. But it's stated *several* times that you need the cypher to comprehend the beacon.

 

If the prothean's wanted other species to access the beacon's then they would've provided them means to use them if they didn't want then they wouldn't bother with something like the cipher in the first place.
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And humanity hit the motherlode of prothean finds compared to every other race, including the crucible blueprints. ("In 2148, prospectors exploring near the Deseado Crater found the source of these disturbances when they unearthed a subterranean Prothean ruin, containing a malfunctioning mass effect core and several starships,as well as refined element zero"). You want to point fingers, point them in humanity's direction

 

How do you know that other races didn't discover ruins like the ones on Mars? There is also the fact the asari are the most technologically advance species in the galaxy and the beacon they kept hidden is a major factor in that. If humanity did hit the mother load then they should be the most technological advance species in the galaxy by the time of first contact not the asari.

[Dantriges]

I seriously doubt Cerberus or the collector's will just sit idle and let that happen.

I meant after you killed the Collectors. Cerberus, to be honest, depends on the lead writer. If they already have their megafleet then tough luck, yes. Shep lost the gamble.
 

The protheans intended the asari to be their successor's it'd stupid for them not to give the asari the means to access it.

But that´s what they did. Perhaps they intended to remove the safeguards but the project director fell before he could. Or something else. The project was sabotaged by indoctrinated forces. Perhaps the VI was transferred via beacon com from the original project site as a last desperate measure before the Reapers came. Speculation, but it seems the asari didn´t knew it was there.

No one said anything about a VI sitting in the thing. Tevos said "with any luck" and Shepard had to remove the statue it was in. Seems the current asari didn´t even know what was in the statue. If they knew Vendetta was in there, they could have asked it themselves and give the info to Shepard, without showing their hand at all.
 

In the temple very points out that the beacon is giving them a significant advantage when compared to other species.

Liara doesn´t but ok, she´s biased and doesn´t count. But it´s just two people standing in front of a beacon jumping to conclusions. Yeah it was valuable or the asari wouldn´t have hidden it. It´s odd that they hid it in a temple open to public worship (there are benches). Hard to guess what the asari actually got from the beacon. According to the myths the protheans gave them astronomy, mathematics and medicine in person. Depending on what exactly they gave them the asari had a jumpstart of 50.000 years. I somehow doubt that the protheans taught them humorism or "this herbs good, these bad." Could be that the ancient asari had 19-20th century tech after the protheans were done. Oh here, some germ theory, this is penicilin and why it works, forget heliocentrism. You need nitrates in your fertilizer and so on. They just need to be a little bit ahead of the rest of us, to have a huge technological advantage in the space age. Compare 1915 to 2015.

 

This law is plain weird anyways. It wasn´t a topic at all up to this point and there was lot of prothean stuff lying around.

[Drone223]

I meant after you killed the Collectors. Cerberus, to be honest, depends on the lead writer. If they already have their megafleet then tough luck, yes. Shep lost the gamble.
 

Cerberus has a megafleet by the time of ME2.

 

But that´s what they did. Perhaps they intended to remove the safeguards but the project director fell before he could. Or something else. The project was sabotaged by indoctrinated forces. Perhaps the VI was transferred via beacon com from the original project site as a last desperate measure before the Reapers came.

 

It wasn't sabotaged your thinking of the bunker on Eden Prime.

 

 

Speculation, but it seems the asari didn´t knew it was there. No one said anything about a VI sitting in the thing. Tevos said "with any luck" and Shepard had to remove the statue it was in. Seems the current asari didn´t even know what was in the statue. If they knew Vendetta was in there, they could have asked it themselves and give the info to Shepard, without showing their hand at all.

 

Except they knew it was something very important that's important to the crucible so why keep it secret until the worst possible moment?

 

Liara doesn´t but ok, she´s biased and doesn´t count. But it´s just two people standing in front of a beacon jumping to conclusions. Yeah it was valuable or the asari wouldn´t have hidden it. It´s odd that they hid it in a temple open to public worship (there are benches). Hard to guess what the asari actually got from the beacon. According to the myths the protheans gave them astronomy, mathematics and medicine in person. Depending on what exactly they gave them the asari had a jumpstart of 50.000 years. I somehow doubt that the protheans taught them humorism or "this herbs good, these bad." Could be that the ancient asari had 19-20th century tech after the protheans were done. Oh here, some germ theory, this is penicilin and why it works, forget heliocentrism. You need nitrates in your fertilizer and so on. They just need to be a little bit ahead of the rest of us, to have a huge technological advantage in the space age. Compare 1915 to 2015.

 

That temple wasn't exactly an average temple since it has classified government funding the prothean's would've put the beacon somewhere that it can be easily discovered.

[Barquiel]

If the prothean's wanted other species to access the beacon's then they would've provided them means to use them if they didn't want then they wouldn't bother with something like the cipher in the first place.
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How do you know that other races didn't discover ruins like the ones on Mars? There is also the fact the asari are the most technologically advance species in the galaxy and the beacon they kept hidden is a major factor in that. If humanity did hit the mother load then they should be the most technological advance species in the galaxy by the time of first contact not the asari.

I'm really not sure what you're trying to prove here. This is a question that gets directly addressed in the game. Javik and Shepard discuss it, and the answer is that no one could understand prothean beacons as we are not evolved to the same mental capability of the Protheans. That leaves no room for speculation.

The Asari got a head start compared to other races in the galaxy, but it was not essential. The Prothean beacon gave the Asari an edge, but without the Asari lifespan (the brightest of the Asari is around for 1k years) and culture their advantage would not have been all that great... "Many respected asari scientists have used their long life spans to become leading experts in their fields. Asari scholars often gain perspective on how cultural shifts affect society, grasping the larger contextual forces behind new proposals and using this to springboard into hypotheses years ahead of their time."

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I'm really not sure what you're trying to prove here. This is a question that gets directly addressed in the game. Javik and Shepard discuss it, and the answer is that no one could understand prothean beacons as we are not evolved to the same mental capability of the Protheans. That leaves no room for speculation.

The asari had 2000 years to find the cipher that's more than enough time for them to access it.

 

 

The Asari got a head start compared to other races in the galaxy, but it was not essential. The Prothean beacon gave the Asari an edge, but without the Asari lifespan (the brightest of the Asari is around for 1k years) and culture their advantage would not have been all that great... "Many respected asari scientists have used their long life spans to become leading experts in their fields. Asari scholars often gain perspective on how cultural shifts affect society, grasping the larger contextual forces behind new proposals and using this to springboard into hypotheses years ahead of their time."

 

If head start wasn't essential than the asari would have no reason to keep the beacon secret but since they did keep it secret the beacon must house a treasure trove of data that gives the asari their technological superiority.