The asari had 2000 years to find the cipher that's more than enough time for them to access it.
The only thing in the galaxy confirmed to have the Cipher was the Thorian. Finding a single plant, even a large one, on a single planet in an entire galaxy is a monumental task. It was sheer chance we found it at all.
The only thing in the galaxy confirmed to have the Cipher was the Thorian. Finding a single plant, even a large one, on a single planet in an entire galaxy is a monumental task. It was sheer chance we found it at all.
I seriously doubt that the prothean's left the cipher in one particular plant, they probably had artifacts that contain the cipher.
I seriously doubt that the prothean's left the cipher in one particular plant, they probably had artifacts that contain the cipher.
They didn't even leave it in the Thorian. The Thorian got it by observing the Protheans for millennium, making some Protheans into thralls, and absorbing them as they died to the point their mindset became part of its consciousness.
You have no evidence to support your stance. Them leaving Cipher artifacts is pure headcanon.
They didn't even leave it in the Thorian. The Thorian got it by observing the Protheans for millennium, making some Protheans into thralls, and absorbing them as they died to the point their mindset became part of its consciousness.
My point is that they clearly left warnings and technology in the hope of allowing the next cycle to prepare for the reaper invasion it'd be stupid of them not to make something to allow other species to help understand the warnings. Why do you think Liara put all that linguistic software in the data caches? She clearly didn't do it for the hell of it, its there because if another species finds it they'll need help to understand what the thing is.
Repeating it like a stubborn child won't make it any true. You have no hard evidence they did, and you know it. In fact, everything points to the contrary. Tevos and the matriarch didn't know vendetta was in the beacon, and therefore had no idea there even was a VI to hack. Had they known, they couldn't even hack it since only Shepard (because space Jesus!), and Javik could activate it. You find it stupid? Well that's not the first stupid thing about this whole Catalyst fiasco. Had they been able to hack Vendetta previously, they had no reason, no reason whatsoever, to say the truth to Shepard at this point. They could have just made some story up on how they found out what the Catalyst was, instead of revealing they were hiding a Prothean beacon in Athame's temple.The asari had plenty of time to find a means to get VI and hack it.
Nope, see above, no more lives would have been saved. That's you inventing justification to support your half-assed theories. Besides, they were protecting their homeworld, like every other species. It's not like they have an army as large as Turians, Krogans and Humans. And what about Salarians, who stayed happily out of the war except for a few STG if you cured the Genophage? What about Quarians, who stayed away and launched their own little war against Geth in the midst of the Reaper invasion?Except before that countless numbers of turian's humans etc. were dying and while that was happening the asari were content with staying on the sidelines. They should've shared that beacon earlier because more lives would've been saved and the loss of their homeworld might have been avoided so she be called out on not sharing the beacon sooner.
Oh yeah, make them into sex slaves. That will teach them their place (sarcasm). By the wayy, if we are still going to punish every species for their wrongdoings during the war, I still want Humanity to be turned into kebabs. That's all we deserveThe asari have been doing ti for 2000 years a slap on the wrist isn't going to cut it.
And a lot of the Asari matriach were killed on Thessia, since, you know, they lived there, and the Asari councilor disappeared along with the rest of the Council when the Reapers seized the Citadel. That's basically the same, yet Humanity gets a free pass, and not Asari. You're the one with double-standards.Except human's won't since a lot of their leadership was killed during the earlier stages of the war and by the end of ME3 the Anderson and Hackett were basically running the Alliance.
That's entirely subjective to you. I personally find hiding a bit of tech much less despicable than an attempt a bombing another civilisation. There's a clear intent of doing harm in the latter. Asari never used their technological edge to intentionally bring harm to other civilisations at least.Your missing the point the worst part of breaking the law was the fact that the asari were the ones who made it in the first place. The asari can't claim to be enlightened if they are breaking the very laws they've created.
Repeating it like a stubborn child won't make it any true. You have no hard evidence they did, and you know it. In fact, everything points to the contrary. Tevos and the matriarch didn't know vendetta was in the beacon, and therefore had no idea there even was a VI to hack. Had they known, they couldn't even hack it since only Shepard (because space Jesus!), and Javik could activate it. You find it stupid? Well that's not the first stupid thing about this whole Catalyst fiasco. Had they been able to hack Vendetta previously, they had no reason, no reason whatsoever, to say the truth to Shepard at this point. They could have just made some story up on how they found out what the Catalyst was, instead of revealing they were hiding a Prothean beacon in Athame's temple.
The beacon was the source of their technological advancement, they were clearly able to gather data from it somehow.
No, they didn't know about the VI, they didn't know about the Catalyst. They just thought the beacon might have information on its location. Maybe. With any luck. So they came clean with hiding Prothean tech in the hope it would help finish the Crucible (which wasn't even finished at this point, no more lives would have been saved anyway). Your reasoning, if I can even call it reasoning, is so faulty it leaves me gaping in awe. You cling to your flimsy one-line justifications as if they were truth that would keep you from drowning in the face of real arguments. But you have literally NO EVIDENCE to support your theories, but I get the feeling you'd rather tear your limbs off than ever admit you're wrong.
Then why did wait till their homeworld was under attack to share it? They should've sent it to the crucible along with the other dozens of prothean's artifacts that were being sent long before the reaper's invaded their homeworld.
Nope, see above, no more lives would have been saved. That's you inventing justification to support your half-assed theories. Besides, they were protecting their homeworld, like every other species. It's not like they have an army as large as Turians, Krogans and Humans. And what about Salarians, who stayed happily out of the war except for a few STG if you cured the Genophage? What about Quarians, who stayed away and launched their own little war against Geth in the midst of the Reaper invasion?
Wrong Shepard clearly stated that had the beacon been shared earlier more lives could've been saved and that they might not be in the situation they're in. Shepard wouldn't need to go a wild goose case to recover the VI from TIM and the reaper's wouldn't learn that the citadel is needed to activate the crucible. By not sharing it earlier they took away any opportunity of knowing if it'd make a difference or not.
Oh yeah, make them into sex slaves. That will teach them their place (sarcasm). By the wayy, if we are still going to punish every species for their wrongdoings during the war, I still want Humanity to be turned into kebabs. That's all we deserve
The Alliance was working its ass off tying to defend the galaxy from the reapers, the asari only got involved after the coup and even them they still withheld the beacon not to mention they were needed way before the coup at the war summit. The asari have the largest economy in the galaxy they should've used it to help fund the war effort.
And a lot of the Asari matriach were killed on Thessia, since, you know, they lived there, and the Asari councilor disappeared along with the rest of the Council when the Reapers seized the Citadel. That's basically the same, yet Humanity gets a free pass, and not Asari. You're the one with double-standards.
Again those deaths could've been avoided had they chose to share the beacon a lot earlier instead of waiting at the worst possible moment to share it. Sharing it earlier might have meant that the asari could've gotten away with withholding it for 2000 years since they can easily make up a lie about finding it on some random planet.
That's entirely subjective to you. I personally find hiding a bit of tech much less despicable than an attempt a bombing another civilisation. There's a clear intent of doing harm in the latter. Asari never used their technological edge to intentionally bring harm to other civilisations at least.
The asari made that law so they can exploit any prothean technology discovered by other species for their own gain without having to share any of theirs. They might have been able to do it longer had Shepard not learn that they where hiding it from the others.
I seriously doubt that the prothean's left the cipher in one particular plant, they probably had artifacts that contain the cipher.
The cipher wasn't a "thing" that could be left around to discover - it was merely being able to interpret the universe as a Prothean would; the beacons were all geared towards "being a Prothean" which is why Shep couldn't make much sense of it - he didn't have the Prothean senses or context to understand it; bit like that TNG episode:
http://en.memory-alp...armok_(episode)
http://en.memory-alp...marian_language
The Thorian understood the Protheans as it studied/absorbed/cloned them during the time of their empire so it was only though Shiala, a Thorian Asari clone, that Shepard was able to gain that understanding. That was the cipher.
The beacon was the source of their technological advancement, they were clearly able to gather data from it somehow.
Then why did wait till their homeworld was under attack to share it? They should've sent it to the crucible along with the other dozens of prothean's artifacts that were being sent long before the reaper's invaded their homeworld.
Wrong Shepard clearly stated that had the beacon been shared earlier more lives could've been saved and that they might not be in the situation they're in. Shepard wouldn't need to go a wild goose case to recover the VI from TIM and the reaper's wouldn't learn that the citadel is needed to activate the crucible. By not sharing it earlier they took away any opportunity of knowing if it'd make a difference or not.
Cerberus has a megafleet by the time of ME2.
Really? Actually no one knows. The only data we have in ME 2 is 150 operatives and threee cells according to the unshackled AI accessing a database no one thought it would access. The data must be wrong in light of the Cerberus fleet in ME 3 but we don´t know what they actually have at this point and the state the fleet out of nowhere is actually in. Done and ready to deploy, under construction, in final checkout. They never showed up in ME 2 and even one more ship would have been quite helpful. Even if Cerberus could simply steamroll in, Shep didn´t know that and he had enough reason to believe, that Cerberus couldn´t. He had EDI and Miranda as a high ranking operative and no one mentioned "uh, Cerberus actually has a fleet comparable to a council race."
Could have been a Paragon choice that backfired. Shep gave the base to the Alliance, flew to Earth, Cerberus rolled in with unbelievable firepower, too bad. But you couldn´t even try.
It wasn't sabotaged your thinking of the bunker on Eden Prime.
It happened to the Crucible project , too. Shep asks: "What happened to the Crucible in your time? Why didn´t the Protheans deploy it?"
Vendetta: "We were sabotaged from within"..."Later, we discovered the separatists were indoctrinated."
Except they knew it was something very important that's important to the crucible so why keep it secret until the worst possible moment?
Perhaps they just found out? Unbelievable but so is finding the crucible data on Mars in the last few moments. Perhaps they didn´t know and it was a desperate shot in the dark. Tevos didn´t say that they had the data about the Catalyst.
That temple wasn't exactly an average temple since it has classified government funding the prothean's would've put the beacon somewhere that it can be easily discovered.
The temple was built later and not by the Protheans. Athame was already looking more like an asari then. Of course it has black coffer funding. I just found it interesting that they hid the beacon in a public and known place. Great for hiding but not for extracting dirty secrets in secrecy. Ok perhaps the real work was done in this ridiculously large underground hall.
Because it is only when they learned a catalyst was necessary to complete the crucible that they started to wonder if there might be something in their beacon relating to that. They had no reason to go look for something they didn't even know existed prior being made aware of it.The beacon was the source of their technological advancement, they were clearly able to gather data from it somehow.
Then why did wait till their homeworld was under attack to share it? They should've sent it to the crucible along with the other dozens of prothean's artifacts that were being sent long before the reaper's invaded their homeworld.
Nope, you're wrong, Shepard only says they MIGHT not be in this mess if they had shared their secret. He never said more lives could have been saved, and that's BEFORE they even noticed only Shepard or Javik could activate Vendetta. Even if they had shared this before, it would have taken Shepard or Javik to come over and unlock it, and as far as I know, it's the job of scientists/archeologists first to study such things, not one specific Alliance soldier who was in custody for the past year anyway. Shepard wouldn't need to go on a wild goose chase if the Asari were able to hack Vendetta. They could have just told him what he needed to know, but it so happens they never hacked Vendetta. They managed to get other data from the beacon, but not this particular one, because none of them were space Jesus.Wrong Shepard clearly stated that had the beacon been shared earlier more lives could've been saved and that they might not be in the situation they're in. Shepard wouldn't need to go a wild goose case to recover the VI from TIM and the reaper's wouldn't learn that the citadel is needed to activate the crucible. By not sharing it earlier they took away any opportunity of knowing if it'd make a difference or not.
Stop making up facts, the Alliance fleet never went to Palaven, Tuchanka, Ranoch, Sur Kesh or Thessia. The Alliance didn't go and help Batarians either. The Alliance only protected human colonies and places of interest for humans like the Crucible. I believe some Alliance vessels were left to protect the Citadel, along Turian and Asari fleets, but that's as far as protecting other species's interests goes for the Alliance. Asari did the same, they protected their interests first, namely their home planet, their colonies and the Citadel, but with less forces. And maybe they were busy funding the Ark project instead, and they did end up funding the war effort, maybe later than others, but still sooner than Salarians if the Genophage was cured.The Alliance was working its ass off tying to defend the galaxy from the reapers, the asari only got involved after the coup and even them they still withheld the beacon not to mention they were needed way before the coup at the war summit. The asari have the largest economy in the galaxy they should've used it to help fund the war effort.
And the deaths of the Alliance leaders could have been prevented if they had let Shepard free of charges and prepared for the Reaper invasion instead of losing time prosecuting him/her. Actually, all those deaths could have been prevented if Leviathans were better at programming, or Protheans were better at leaving clues. Hindsight is indeed a wonderful thing. Even if the Asari had shared it sooner, they'd had to wait for Shepard to come over and unlock it, so there. And Shepard didn't discover anything, he/she was told by the Asari themselves they might have something of interest. It's not like he stumbled by accident on it, Asari came forward with the truth. Stop twisting things aroundAgain those deaths could've been avoided had they chose to share the beacon a lot earlier instead of waiting at the worst possible moment to share it. Sharing it earlier might have meant that the asari could've gotten away with withholding it for 2000 years since they can easily make up a lie about finding it on some random planet.
The asari made that law so they can exploit any prothean technology discovered by other species for their own gain without having to share any of theirs. They might have been able to do it longer had Shepard not learn that they where hiding it from the others.
The Alliance was working its ass off tying to defend the galaxy from the reapers, the asari only got involved after the coup and even them they still withheld the beacon not to mention they were needed way before the coup at the war summit. The asari have the largest economy in the galaxy they should've used it to help fund the war effort.
To be fair, the traitorous 5th Column (Cerberus) working to undermine the war effort was entirely human. The human Councilor also turned Benedict Arnold and nearly handed victory to the Reapers by his role in the Citadel Coup.
If the species start bickering and playing the blame game in the aftermath of the war humanity is going to come out a lot worse than the Asari will. Humans did the most to actively sabotage the war effort.
In any case I would hope none of that would actually make its way into a Milky Way sequel, as it would just be another example of politicians in the series being portrayed as incompetent morons. The last thing the galaxy would need in the war's aftermath would be political fingerpointing and playing the blame game, particularly when they are all going to need to pull resources and aid each other in rebuilding. It would also set out to demolish the very thing that ended up being the galaxy's greatest strength in combating the Reapers....galactic unity.
Because it is only when they learned a catalyst was necessary to complete the crucible that they started to wonder if there might be something in their beacon relating to that. They had no reason to go look for something they didn't even know existed prior being made aware of it.
Again why wait till their homeworld is under attack to share it? The crucible project needed all the protean tech artifacts etc. it could get and beacon is no ordinary prothen artifact it should've been sent to the crucible as soon as possible since they council was well aware of the catalyst during the early stages of the war.
Nope, you're wrong, Shepard only says they MIGHT not be in this mess if they had shared their secret. He never said more lives could have been saved, and that's BEFORE they even noticed only Shepard or Javik could activate Vendetta. Even if they had shared this before, it would have taken Shepard or Javik to come over and unlock it, and as far as I know, it's the job of scientists/archeologists first to study such things, not one specific Alliance soldier who was in custody for the past year anyway. Shepard wouldn't need to go on a wild goose chase if the Asari were able to hack Vendetta. They could have just told him what he needed to know, but it so happens they never hacked Vendetta. They managed to get other data from the beacon, but not this particular one, because none of them were space Jesus.
Again that would also indicate that more lives could've been saved in the process since they could've fired the crucible a lot earlier and didn't have to fight the reaper's to get to it.
Stop making up facts, the Alliance fleet never went to Palaven, Tuchanka, Ranoch, Sur Kesh or Thessia. The Alliance didn't go and help Batarians either. The Alliance only protected human colonies and places of interest for humans like the Crucible. I believe some Alliance vessels were left to protect the Citadel, along Turian and Asari fleets, but that's as far as protecting other species's interests goes for the Alliance.
Except the Alliance clearly ask for unification against the reaper's since its something they can't do alone they knew that stopping the reaper's is going to be a joint effort.
Asari did the same, they protected their interests first, namely their home planet, their colonies and the Citadel, but with less forces.
Except that didn't end well for them since they were needed at the early stages of the war especially the war summit and they didn't have to contribute forces to the war they could've easily help the war effort logistically.
And maybe they were busy funding the Ark project instead, and they did end up funding the war effort, maybe later than others, but still sooner than Salarians if the Genophage was cured.
Except the crucible alone is bankrupting the galaxy they is no way the galaxy can afford the resources to fund another large scale project along side the crucible. The STG also knew better than to sit on the side lines because the Salarian leadership didn't get their way.
And the deaths of the Alliance leaders could have been prevented if they had let Shepard free of charges and prepared for the Reaper invasion instead of losing time prosecuting him/her. Actually, all those deaths could have been prevented if Leviathans were better at programming, or Protheans were better at leaving clues. Hindsight is indeed a wonderful thing. Even if the Asari had shared it sooner, they'd had to wait for Shepard to come over and unlock it, so there. And Shepard didn't discover anything, he/she was told by the Asari themselves they might have something of interest. It's not like he stumbled by accident on it, Asari came forward with the truth. Stop twisting things around
The reason why Shepard was locked up was because the Alliance didn't want to go to war with the Batarians. If Shepard was allowed to walk Scott free for blowing up the Alpha relay then the Batarian's would've gone to war with the Alliance and that would put the galaxy in an even worse position when the Reaper's arrive since.
Really? Actually no one knows. The only data we have in ME 2 is 150 operatives and threee cells according to the unshackled AI accessing a database no one thought it would access. The data must be wrong in light of the Cerberus fleet in ME 3 but we don´t know what they actually have at this point and the state the fleet out of nowhere is actually in. Done and ready to deploy, under construction, in final checkout. They never showed up in ME 2 and even one more ship would have been quite helpful. Even if Cerberus could simply steamroll in, Shep didn´t know that and he had enough reason to believe, that Cerberus couldn´t. He had EDI and Miranda as a high ranking operative and no one mentioned "uh, Cerberus actually has a fleet comparable to a council race."
Could have been a Paragon choice that backfired. Shep gave the base to the Alliance, flew to Earth, Cerberus rolled in with unbelievable firepower, too bad. But you couldn´t even try.
Shortly after Shepard was resurrected they went to another Cerberus base that was guarded by a sizable fleet there's also the fleet sent to take over Omega in invasion.
Perhaps they just found out? Unbelievable but so is finding the crucible data on Mars in the last few moments. Perhaps they didn´t know and it was a desperate shot in the dark. Tevos didn´t say that they had the data about the Catalyst.
Humanity have been studying the mars archive for a few decades when compared which is nothing compared to studying something for 2000+ years.
The temple was built later and not by the Protheans. Athame was already looking more like an asari then. Of course it has black coffer funding. I just found it interesting that they hid the beacon in a public and known place. Great for hiding but not for extracting dirty secrets in secrecy. Ok perhaps the real work was done in this ridiculously large underground hall.
I knew it wasn't built by the protheans but keep in mind that few people follow the Athame doctrine by the time of the trilogy.
That's already answered in the game:Again why wait till their homeworld is under attack to share it? The crucible project needed all the protean tech artifacts etc. it could get and beacon is no ordinary prothen artifact it should've been sent to the crucible as soon as possible since they council was well aware of the catalyst during the early stages of the war.
No, it doesn't. That's you speculating, wrongly, to boot. The Crucible was far from finished at this point in the game. They wouldn't have been able to fire earlier.Again that would also indicate that more lives could've been saved in the process since they could've fired the crucible a lot earlier and didn't have to fight the reaper's to get to it.
And none, NONE of the other species heeded that call until their personal problem was solved, even Turians. Why should we expect more from Asari? Ah yeah, I forgot, they are the galactic b****es, they should please every one else first, especially humans (sarcasm).Except the Alliance clearly ask for unification against the reaper's since its something they can't do alone they knew that stopping the reaper's is going to be a joint effort.
Indeed, it didn't end well for them. So what? Asari aren't perfect and make mistakes too. They paid for it. And they are far from being the only species having made mistakes during this war.Except that didn't end well for them since they were needed at the early stages of the war especially the war summit and they didn't have to contribute forces to the war they could've easily help the war effort logistically.
The STG is only part of the Salarian military. Usually deployed by the Council, not the Dalatrass. I find it funny how you so easilly absolve one species for the misdeeds of their leaders while you refuse the same courtesy to another, even when the latter's leader admitted their mistake.Except the crucible alone is bankrupting the galaxy they is no way the galaxy can afford the resources to fund another large scale project along side the crucible. The STG also knew better than to sit on the side lines because the Salarian leadership didn't get their way.
Oh I know that. Whatever the reason, the Alliance didn't prepare accordingly, and got caught their pants down when the Reapers invaded. They didn't seem to put any more faith in Shepard's warnings than any other species, except for Hackett and Anderson who were essentially powerless to move things along until it was too late. Politics are a pain, aren't they? Yet when it's Asari, it's somehow unforgivable. I'm calling your double-standard.The reason why Shepard was locked up was because the Alliance didn't want to go to war with the Batarians. If Shepard was allowed to walk Scott free for blowing up the Alpha relay then the Batarian's would've gone to war with the Alliance and that would put the galaxy in an even worse position when the Reaper's arrive since.
"they must take precautions to ensure continuity of civilization"
The future of the civilization is not alone the Council's responsibility but the whole Galaxy got to take care of himself.
That line means nothing more, nothing less.
And no, the Council was not aware of the Catalyst in the early stages of the war. Again, you're making up facts to suit your fallacious theories.
Liara showed them the blue prints when Shepard meet them after Mars they were well aware of the project.
No, it doesn't. That's you speculating, wrongly, to boot. The Crucible was far from finished at this point in the game. They wouldn't have been able to fire earlier.
The crucible was pretty much ready by the time the reapers attacked Thessia had they shared the beacon before then a lot lives could've been saved and the asari might not have lost their planet.
And none, NONE of the other species heeded that call until their personal problem was solved, even Turians. Why should we expect more from Asari? Ah yeah, I forgot, they are the galactic b****es, they should please every one else first, especially humans (sarcasm).
The asari have the largest economy and the best diplomats they were needed at the the war summit but backed out when the krogan got involved. Victus sated that more people would die if they didn't try to form an alliance with the korgan the asari could've helped with the process.
Indeed, it didn't end well for them. So what? Asari aren't perfect and make mistakes too. They paid for it. And they are far from being the only species having made mistakes during this war.
They asari withheld a prothean artifact that contain vital information to the crucible that could've ended the war earlier had they shared it.
And the STG is only part of the Salarian military. Usually deployed by the Council, not the Dalatrass. I find it funny how you so easilly absolve one species for the misdeeds of their leaders while you refuse the same courtesy to another, even when the latter's leader admitted their mistake.
I never did absolve the Salarian leadership the Salarian its worth noting IIRC it was certain elements of the STG that acted on their own and the asari never did front up to their mistake as Shepard was never allowed to point it out to the councilor.
Oh I know that. Whatever the reason, the Alliance didn't prepare accordingly, and got caught their pants down when the Reapers invaded. They didn't seem to put any more faith in Shepard's warnings than any other species, except for Hackett and Anderson who were essentially powerless to move things along until it was too late. Politics are a pain, aren't they? Yet when it's Asari, it's somehow unforgivable. I'm calling your double-standard.
The Asari had more time to act before the reaper's got to their territory yet they wasted it and to be fair Hackett and Anderson did what they could to prepare for the reaper's to the best of their ability given to politics they had to deal with.
The crucible was pretty much ready by the time the reapers attacked Thessia had they shared the beacon before then a lot lives could've been saved and the asari might not have lost their planet.
The asari have the largest economy and the best diplomats they were needed at the the war summit but backed out when the krogan got involved. Victus sated that more people would die if they didn't try to form an alliance with the korgan the asari could've helped with the process.
They asari withheld a prothean artifact that contain vital information to the crucible that could've ended the war earlier had they shared it.
The Asari had more time to act before the reaper's got to their territory yet they wasted it and to be fair Hackett and Anderson did what they could to prepare for the reaper's to the best of their ability given to politics they had to deal with.
Shortly after Shepard was resurrected they went to another Cerberus base that was guarded by a sizable fleet there's also the fleet sent to take over Omega in invasion.
Only saw two ships, if that´s a fleet now. And not sure if both are actual warships. Ah Invasion, yeah the fleet makes its appearance, somewhere between 2 and 3.
Humanity have been studying the mars archive for a few decades when compared which is nothing compared to studying something for 2000+ years.
Well the point was, they didn´t find out until the stars were right, ehm the plot demanded it. Like that law that came out of nowhere. There is no indication that they suspected that the VI was there.
I knew it wasn't built by the protheans but keep in mind that few people follow the Athame doctrine by the time of the trilogy.
Yep, still a temple is not a research facility where constant research is possible.
My bad, you're actually right about that one. Still, if their Prothean beacon contains so much data that Asari overlooked Vendetta during millenias, then I can believe it's the time they needed to sift through it, by "process of elimination, mixed with a little desperation" to just find hints to the Crucible and Catalyst in there. By the time of the mission on Thessia, their scientists were probably trying to hack Vendetta. Not that they would have succeeded. With the Reapers on the verge of attacking, they certainly felt they were out of time to do that themselves and preferred to admit having a Prothean beacon and hope Shepard could extract it. That wouldn't have happened sooner anyway, because of dumb story contrivance. Still, the majority of the Asari population wasn't aware of any of this.Liara showed them the blue prints when Shepard meet them after Mars they were well aware of the project.
No, as mentionned by Vilio1, the Crucible was still under construction during Thessia. The only thing that would have saved more lives, is if Cerberus, humans, hadn't stolen Vendetta.The crucible was pretty much ready by the time the reapers attacked Thessia had they shared the beacon before then a lot lives could've been saved and the asari might not have lost their planet.
I will repeat myself, hindsight is a wonderful thing. There are a lot of events that could have been avoided with what we know of the story once we finish the game, but that's not how the story goes, and even less politics. They backed out because they felt there was too much bad blood between Krogans, Turians and Salarians and didn't believe they could solve this. Can't really blame them, there was a lot of bad blood and they couldn't have done anything anyway.The asari have the largest economy and the best diplomats they were needed at the the war summit but backed out when the krogan got involved. Victus sated that more people would die if they didn't try to form an alliance with the korgan the asari could've helped with the process.
See above. The Asari leaders didn't even know what the Catalyst was, which means they were unable to hack Vendetta. They didn't know it held such vital information, and it still wouldn't have ended the war earlier as long as Shepard didn't come along to activate Vendetta, and Shepard was quite, quite busy until then.They asari withheld a prothean artifact that contain vital information to the crucible that could've ended the war earlier had they shared it.
What is the point of pointing it up? They know the situation is f***ed up and everyone's screwed (by a human faction, need I to repeat?). Do you really need to rub it in? What is that supposed to achieve? I for one am glad it didn't happen. That would have been one very childish and a** way for Shepard to react, even for a full renegade Shepard. Even full renegade Shepard recognized where the real blame lies: Cerberus. Besides, when it comes to pointing fingers, humans would have much more to feel guilty about if the blame for the actions of a few of them had to be reflected on the whole species.I never did absolve the Salarian leadership the Salarian its worth noting IIRC it was certain elements of the STG that acted on their own and the asari never did front up to their mistake as Shepard was never allowed to point it out to the councilor.
No. Their borders were threatened at the beginning of the game as well, like all the other species. That means they had to fight off Reapers, by themselves. If they managed to hold off Reapers from Thessia so long, they didn't waste it. If not, Reapers would have destroyed the Prothean beacon long before Shepard even reached Thessia.The Asari had more time to act before the Reaper's got to their territory yet they wasted it and to be fair Hackett and Anderson did what they could to prepare for the reaper's to the best of their ability given to politics they had to deal with.
That's simply not true. According to Hackett the crucible is ready when we attack Cronos station (except for the reaper heart/brain), it's still under construction during Priority: Thessia.
No it was completed or extremely close to completion by the time the reaper's attacked Thessia. Shepard said that once they got what they needed from the temple then the reaper's are finished.
The whole point of the war summit was to discuss the genophage questions. Victus wants krogan troops for Palavan. The krogan want a cure. The dalatrass wants to sabotage these efforts. These are all demands the asari couldn't influence.
No it wasn't the asari were going to attend the wars summit they bugged out the moment the krogan were invited. By not going it showed they weren't willing to commit themselves to the war when they were needed it made them look like cowards.
Yes, it could've ended the war earlier - if we wouldn't have needed the cypher to activate the VI, if the Protheans hadn't programmed Vendetta to withold the information
Or the beacon was sent straight to the crucible project instead of being the homeworld during a reaper invasion where its data was captured by Cerberus which allowed TIM to warn the reapers that the citadel was needed to complete the crucible.
and if humanity would have opened the Mars archive sooner to let actual experts study them.
Hackett sent Liara to the archives since she's the shadow broker.
Except that the Asari military actually puts up a much stiffer fight than the Alliance did. The Reapers took Earth in a matter of hours.
But they did nothing until the reaper's showed into their territory they should've at least did something instead of twiddling their thumbs waiting for the reaper's to invade
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My bad, you're actually right about that one. Still, if their Prothean beacon contains so much data that Asari overlooked Vendetta during millenias, then I can believe it's the time they needed to sift through it, by "process of elimination, mixed with a little desperation" to just find hints to the Crucible and Catalyst in there. By the time of the mission on Thessia, their scientists were probably trying to hack Vendetta. Not that they would have succeeded. With the Reapers on the verge of attacking, they certainly felt they were out of time to do that themselves and preferred to admit having a Prothean beacon and hope Shepard could extract it. That wouldn't have happened sooner anyway, because of dumb story contrivance. Still, the majority of the Asari population wasn't aware of any of this
They had plenty of time to find it before the reaper's invaded their homeworld they wasted by not sharing the beacons existence.
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See above. The Asari leaders didn't even know what the Catalyst was, which means they were unable to hack Vendetta. They didn't know it held such vital information, and it still wouldn't have ended the war earlier as long as Shepard didn't come along to activate Vendetta, and Shepard was quite, quite busy until then
TIM was able to hack vendetta with no problems so the asari shouldn't have much difficulty also anything that is essential to the crucible's completion would be enough to draw Shepard's attention.
What is the point of pointing it up? They know the situation is f***ed up and everyone's screwed (by a human faction, need I to repeat?). Do you really need to rub it in? What is that supposed to achieve? I for one am glad it didn't happen. That would have been one very childish and a** way for Shepard to react, even for a full renegade Shepard. Even full renegade Shepard recognized where the real blame lies: Cerberus. Besides, when it comes to pointing fingers, humans would have much more to feel guilty about if the blame for the actions of a few of them had to be reflected on the whole species.
They withed a beacon that contained vital information that is needed to complete the crucible and they choose to share it at the worst possible moment. If the beacon was shared earlier there would be no need to go after Cerberus since it would've already been at the crucible.
No, as mentionned by Vilio1, the Crucible was still under construction during Thessia. The only thing that would have saved more lives, is if Cerberus, humans, hadn't stolen Vendetta.
See previous comment Cerberus was able to capture it because the asari didn't send the thing to the to help out with the crucible and waited to the worst possible moment to share it.
I will repeat myself, hindsight is a wonderful thing. There are a lot of events that could have been avoided with what we know of the story once we finish the game, but that's not how the story goes, and even less politics. They backed out because they felt there was too much bad blood between Krogans, Turians and Salarians and didn't believe they could solve this. Can't really blame them, there was a lot of bad blood and they couldn't have done anything anyway.
See my previous comment, by not attending they showed that they weren't willing to commit to the war effort and Victus pointed out that if they didn't try a lot of people will die.
No. Their borders were threatened at the beginning of the game as well, like all the other species. That means they had to fight off Reapers, by themselves. If they managed to hold off Reapers from Thessia so long, they didn't waste it. If not, Reapers would have destroyed the Prothean beacon long before Shepard even reached Thessia.
If an Alliance Admiral and the (possibly) first human Councilor couldn't convince the rest of the military to better prepare for the Reapers, that means Alliance commend was as faulty of not heading Shepard's warnings as other species leaders. Political leaders in this game are all portrayed in a very bad way. Asari political leaders are no exception, but the population they represent are not guilty of their mistakes/misdeeds.
The reaper's didn't attack them after the coup they had more time to help out with the war effort one way or another before then.
No it was completed or extremely close to completion by the time the reaper's attacked Thessia. Shepard said that once they got what they needed from the temple then the reaper's are finished.
To be fair that was wishful thinking on Shepard's part. He/she didn't know what information was at the temple until it was revealed by Vendetta
Reading through a book on conspiracy theories recently, the 'protagonists' are always given 20/20 foresight in any conspiracy theory, as though they could have known of the scale of the outcome of action/inaction, and the actions of those who they have no control of to enact such a thing. Hindsight is always 20/20.
No it was completed or extremely close to completion by the time the reaper's attacked Thessia. Shepard said that once they got what they needed from the temple then the reaper's are finished.
No it wasn't the asari were going to attend the wars summit they bugged out the moment the krogan were invited. By not going it showed they weren't willing to commit themselves to the war when they were needed it made them look like cowards.
Or the beacon was sent straight to the crucible project instead of being the homeworld during a reaper invasion where its data was captured by Cerberus which allowed TIM to warn the reapers that the citadel was needed to complete the crucible.
Hackett sent Liara to the archives since she's the shadow broker.
But they did nothing until the reaper's showed into their territory they should've at least did something instead of twiddling their thumbs waiting for the reaper's to invade
The crucible is not finished at this point. That's confirmed by Hackett and Shepard. Shepard flat out says that we couldn't have prevented the invasion of Thessia, even if we got there before cerberus.
The crucible was very close to completion with the catalyst being the only missing component it was well finished before priority: cronos, more lives could've been saved since Shepard wouldn't need to go on a wild goose chase.
It was only the summit that they missed. But they join your coalition after the Citadel coup, one mission after the turians/krogan, and at the same time the salarians do. They also provide more war assets than the turians and salarians and join without asking for anything in return. If that makes the asari cowards, what are the other races then?
A summit that was going to determine how the war was going to be fought and they stayed out of and it was completely OOC from them to do so especially given the situation.
The reapers already knew this. They had indoctrinated the prothean scientists who were working on the crucible project in the previous cycle. And the protheans knew that the citadel is needed.
They didn't TIM alerted them once he hacked the vendetta, vendetta was told to withhold the catalyst until the crucible was near completion.
I know, and it was almost to late. If the alliance had given council scientists access to the archives when it was first requested we might have found something useful before the reaper even invade, like the crucible blueprints for example. If we had completed the crucible sooner you could blame the asari, but that isn't the case.
To be fair the archives have only been studied for a few decades compared to the beacon which was studied for 2000+ years.
The Reapers attack Illium right when they are taking Earth and attacking Palaven, the asari had their own problems. They also did help evacuating human colonies at the beginning of the war, as confirmed by that PTSD Asari at the Citadel Hospital.
Illum isn't in asari space its in the terminus systems.
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