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#101
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Telling people to "deal with it" won't stop them from voicing their skepticism or concerns.

Well, then, whine and lament all you like. Fact is, ME:A happens in Andromeda. Be skeptic and concerned all you want, rage about the injustice you're the only one here ranting about. Be disappointed if you so want to be. It will still happen in Andromeda.



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Heh, what if they pull a Planet of the Apes ending, and you only *THINK* you're in Andromeda, but you've really been in a multi-centuries post-Reaper MW the entire time?


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It is bad thing.

 

No it isn't ... next pointless argument please.

 

The ME universe to me is more than the Shepard/Reapers story of the first trilogy - that story is done, time for a new one. I don't really care one way or another whether the original trilogy is even referenced as long as it's another fun RP-lite space opera with tech, biotics and maybe some of the races or ideas that set the back-drop to the ME universe.


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Oh, are you a dev for the game? Please, give us some more of your insider info.

WTF are you talking about?

 

We have no information.  Even the teaser was a lot of nothing.  We have no idea how they managed to get to Andromeda.  It should be impossible.  So we are left with looking at how the "impossible" has been done in past Mass Effect games.  Which, it turns out is silly nonsense like "resources" and "organic energy"

 

No, I'm not a developer.  I'm just observant.

 

If people didn't have a problem with ME3's ending then ME:A never happened.  Just like saying that DA4 will invalidate all of your choices since it will set in Tevinter. Seriously, this argument is getting circular,repetitive and illogical.

 

You can reach Tevinter from other nations in Thedas without resorting to lore-breaking magic.  

 

Just saying.

 

If you don't like Bioware's current direction then free to leave. Repeating the same, pointless arguments will never make it right.

 

Because what BSN totally needs to be is an echo chamber of nonstop hype.   <_<


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Heh, what if they pull a Planet of the Apes ending, and you only *THINK* you're in Andromeda, but you've really been in a multi-centuries post-Reaper MW the entire time?

Well then explain the galaxy map. If they are going around the MW using only FTL and a wrong galaxy map, they deserve to end up in the middle of a sun



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Its not a spin off its set after the events of the trilogy so its an indirect sequel of the series so its still a continuation of the series.


You don't get to just make up your own definitions for words, and you don't even know if ME:A is set after ME3.
 

People are going to keep asking Bioware what happened after the trilogy sooner or later their going to have address what happened after the trilogy they can't ignore it forever and pretend the trilogy never happened in the first place.


This is nonsense. Who cares if people keep asking? And they've already said they aren't going to set a canon galaxy state so there is no way for them just move forward in the Milky Way without invalidating player choices.
 

Their invalidating player choices by ditching the MW for good its makes saving the MW pointless.


You keep repeating this, ad nauseum, but it makes NO SENSE. It's completely moronic and illogical.
 

If people can mistake what was seen for a different IP then it could end up being Mass Effect in name only.


No one mistook it for another franchise. This argument is entirely invalid.
 

Their not, the problems people have with ditching the MW are quite legitimate.


If the problems are illogical and stupid then they're not legitimate. Your problems with ME:A are illogical and stupid. You cannot make a coherent argument to support these concerns. You just repeat the same stupid things, over and over. You're trying to turn what you want them to do into what they have to do, or what they're supposed to do. You want them to continue in the Milky Way, just the way YOU left it, so you can have a direct continuation of where ME3 left off. But what you want is not what BioWare has to do, and it's not what makes sense for the series.
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WTF are you talking about?
We have no information.  Even the teaser was a lot of nothing.  We have no idea how they managed to get to Andromeda.  It should be impossible.  So we are left with looking at how the "impossible" has been done in past Mass Effect games.  Which, it turns out is silly nonsense like "resources" and "organic energy"
No, I'm not a developer.  I'm just observant.


You made claims about story specifics. And you keep doing it, making assumptions about the story like they're established facts.
Don't do that. And especially don't do that and expect no one to call you out for it.
 

You can reach Tevinter from other nations in Thedas without resorting to lore-breaking magic.  
Just saying.


There you go, doing it again. You have no idea if the trip to Andromeda breaks the lore but you keep saying it, over and over.
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You made claims about story specifics. And you keep doing it, making assumptions about the story like they're established facts.
Don't do that. And especially don't do that and expect no one to call you out for it.
 

There you go, doing it again. You have no idea if the trip to Andromeda breaks the lore but you keep saying it, over and over.

The lore states:

 

Cruising speed of Alliance ship:  ~15 light years per day

Cruising speed for Reapers ~30 light years per day

Average amount to time a mass effect core can run before needed discharge: 50 hours

Effects of not discharging core:  Electrical discharge into ship's hull, resulting in fused bulkheads, fried electrical systems, death of crew.

Distance from MW to Andromeda: ~2.5 million light years

 

And we expect the asari to find a way around this while fighting a genocidal war for survival that is sucking up all the resources in the galaxy?

 

So yeah, this breaks the lore.  Shatters it, in fact.  Unless yet more "resources" provides the "organic energy" needed to conveniently circumvent this problem.


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The lore states:
Cruising speed of Alliance ship:  ~15 light years per day
Cruising speed for Reapers ~30 light years per day
Average amount to time a mass effect core can run before needed discharge: 50 hours
Effects of not discharging core:  Electrical discharge into ship's hull, resulting in fused bulkheads, fried electrical systems, death of crew.
Distance from MW to Andromeda: ~2.5 million light years
 
And we expect the asari to find a way around this while fighting a genocidal war for survival that is sucking up all the resources in the galaxy?
So yeah, this breaks the lore.  Shatters it, in fact.  Unless yet more "resources" provides the "organic energy" needed to conveniently circumvent this problem.


Show me where it was confirmed that we take ships directly from the Milky Way to the Andromeda galaxy. Go ahead. I'll wait.
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Show me where it was confirmed that we take ships directly from the Milky Way to the Andromeda galaxy. Go ahead. I'll wait.

Show me where I said it was.  We'll both be waiting a long time.

 

This thread is about Ark Theory.  Or at least the version that connects to the asari Councilor's comment after the fall of Thessia.  I find it a silly theory pulled out of some orifice or other, and I'd be supremely disappointed in Bioware if they go in that direction.  But then given the Lazarus Project and Synthesis (and the Crucible in general) I can't really expect better.


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Well then explain the galaxy map. If they are going around the MW using only FTL and a wrong galaxy map, they deserve to end up in the middle of a sun

Since we're only going to be in a single cluster throughout the game, I don't even know why we have an entire galaxy map. 



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Show me where I said it was.  We'll both be waiting a long time.

 

This thread is about Ark Theory.  Or at least the version that connects to the asari Councilor's comment after the fall of Thessia.  I find it a silly theory pulled out of some orifice or other, and I'd be supremely disappointed in Bioware if they go in that direction.  But then given the Lazarus Project and Synthesis (and the Crucible in general) I can't really expect better.

 

Ummm... well don't expect better - gloss over the silliness and enjoy the ride?



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Show me where I said it was.  We'll both be waiting a long time.


So you're just calling the game lore-breaking and posting stats about FTL speeds and discharges for no reason whatsoever? Is that how you spend your time?
 

This thread is about Ark Theory.  Or at least the version that connects to the asari Councilor's comment after the fall of Thessia.  I find it a silly theory pulled out of some orifice or other, and I'd be supremely disappointed in Bioware if they go in that direction.  But then given the Lazarus Project and Synthesis (and the Crucible in general) I can't really expect better.


What does any of that have to do with jumping to the conclusion that we're going to the Andromeda galaxy via traditional means?

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So you're just calling the game lore-breaking and posting stats about FTL speeds and discharges for no reason whatsoever? Is that how you spend your time?
 

What does any of that have to do with jumping to the conclusion that we're going to the Andromeda galaxy via traditional means?

 

*sigh*

 

 

Now I don't know much about the ark theory or what people been saying about the ark theory, but do you think that's what she's talking about?



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*sigh*


Are you sick of your tendency to jump to baseless conclusions too?

A space-ark doesn't predetermine method of travel. Did the OP say "Let's discuss the Ark theory in the context of traditional FTL travel and how it relates to this line in ME3"? No. No he did not.

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Since we're only going to be in a single cluster throughout the game, I don't even know why we have an entire galaxy map. 

True enough. Let's hope it means ME:A is the beginning of a new ark 



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True enough. Let's hope it means ME:A is the beginning of a new ark


You mean arc.  ;)

 

But I'm sure this is just the first act of a new trilogy.


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Hey you guys, here's a crazy idea... let us all show our love for our favourite and sexiest councilor by posting some great pictures of her!

 

me3_citadel___councilor_tevos_2_by_chick

 

You know... just to have something different! Dare I say... positive!


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To the continuity of the (bsn) species!

 

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True enough. Let's hope it means ME:A is the beginning of a new ark 

I have no doubt that it will be. From the sound of it, each game will expand more and more into Andromeda. 



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Hey you guys, here's a crazy idea... let us all show our love for our favourite and sexiest councilor by posting some great pictures of her!

K
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only thing was biower didn't let me make her Councilor.
 


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No it isn't ... next pointless argument please.

 

The ME universe to me is more than the Shepard/Reapers story of the first trilogy - that story is done, time for a new one. I don't really care one way or another whether the original trilogy is even referenced as long as it's another fun RP-lite space opera with tech, biotics and maybe some of the races or ideas that set the back-drop to the ME universe.

Shepard and the reaper's have nothing to do with problems with ME:A, the problem is that Bioware is ditching the MW for good and the fact that setting the game in another galaxy is completely unnecessary since most of the MW is largely unexplored.

 

 

You don't get to just make up your own definitions for words, and you don't even know if ME:A is set after ME3.

It's been confirmed that the game is set hundreds of years after the trilogy so it is a continuation of the series.

 


This is nonsense. Who cares if people keep asking? And they've already said they aren't going to set a canon galaxy state so there is no way for them just move forward in the Milky Way without invalidating player choices.

Bioware can't ignore the events of the trilogy since ignoring the trilogy invalidates the choices people made.

 

 

 

You keep repeating this, ad nauseum, but it makes NO SENSE. It's completely moronic and illogical.

Bioware is burying its head in the sand with regards to the trilogy that speaks for itself.

 

 

No one mistook it for another franchise. This argument is entirely invalid.

 

Except if the N7 logo was removed then it could have just as easily been taken for another franchise.

 

If the problems are illogical and stupid then they're not legitimate. Your problems with ME:A are illogical and stupid. You cannot make a coherent argument to support these concerns. You just repeat the same stupid things, over and over. You're trying to turn what you want them to do into what they have to do, or what they're supposed to do.

 

Poorly implement/written explanation for traveling to another galaxy, plot devices that have the same quality as the Lazarus project and more space magic are quite legitimate concerns.

 

You want them to continue in the Milky Way, just the way YOU left it, so you can have a direct continuation of where ME3 left off. But what you want is not what BioWare has to do, and it's not what makes sense for the series.

Bioware should face their problems and deal with them instead of burying their heads in the sand and pretend they never happened.



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Shepard and the reaper's have nothing to do with problems with ME:A, the problem is that Bioware is ditching the MW for good and the fact that setting the game in another galaxy is completely unnecessary since most of the MW is largely unexplored.


Unexplored but tainted. Get over it.
 
 

It's been confirmed that the game is set hundreds of years after the trilogy so it is a continuation of the series.


No it hasn't, and timeline has nothing to do with what makes a spin-off a spin-off. You're trying to redefine words.
 

Bioware can't ignore the events of the trilogy since ignoring the trilogy invalidates the choices people made.


That makes no sense. Nothing you say makes ANY sense.
 
 

Bioware is burying its head in the sand with regards to the trilogy that speaks for itself.


As opposed to rubbing it's nose in the poo on the carpet? I'll take Andromeda over the mess ME3 left.
 
 

Except if the N7 logo was removed then it could have just as easily been taken for another franchise.


So you're arguing from the perspective of an alternate reality?
 

Poorly implement/written explanation for traveling to another galaxy, plot devices that have the same quality as the Lazarus project and more space magic are quite legitimate concerns.


Presupposing these problems is moronic. You have no idea if they'll happen.
 

Bioware should face their problems and deal with them instead of burying their heads in the sand and pretend they never happened.


What would that get them? And why should your posts mean anything to BioWare or us here when you've already said they should negate the central tenant of what makes the franchise what it is?

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That's a very good question but maybe they did and there will be Protheans in Andromeda. It wouldn't surprise me if it turned out that way.

 

Imagine: you've watched your homeworld burn as everything you've ever known has been annihilated by the reapers, you've given up your all your worldly possessions to escape with alive, travelled on cargo ship to cargo ship as a penniless refugee, lived in poverty with nowhere else to go, until you're invited to a top-secret government initiative: the ARK project. You risk it - despite some of the dodgy scientific mumbo-jumbo in their advertising packages - and spend a thousand years in cyro whilst you're sent to a brand new galaxy: Andromeda. You dream of thousands of new planets, exotic scenery, beautiful views, miles and miles of empty land, maybe founding a peaceful little settlement or two, named something quaint like 'Freedoms Progress', and setting up a local organic farm there with the wife and kids.

 

You wake up from cyro. You're welcomed to the Glorious Second Prothean Empire at gunpoint, submit or die, primitives.

 

It would be worth it if only for the look on Javik's face.



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Unexplored but tainted. Get over it.
 

Its not, its salvageable.

 

No it hasn't, and timeline has nothing to do with what makes a spin-off a spin-off. You're trying to redefine words.

 

http://blog.bioware....fect-andromeda/

 

"this game is very much a new adventure, taking place far away from and long after the events of the original trilogy."

 

That makes no sense. Nothing you say makes ANY sense.

 

They can't pretend that no one is interested in going back to the MW forever.

 

As opposed to rubbing it's nose in the poo on the carpet? I'll take Andromeda over the mess ME3 left.

 

The only thing Bioware will archive by running away from their problems is making themselves look bad. it shows that they don't want to fix their owm mistakes they'd rather run away from them every time they make one.

 

So you're arguing from the perspective of an alternate reality?

 

Nope, the trailer gave no indication of it being a Mass Effect game until the N7 logo showed up.

 

Presupposing these problems is moronic. You have no idea if they'll happen.

 

Looking at past work can give an indication on what to expect.

 

 

What would that get them?

 

It would prove that they can deal with their own mistakes since running away from them doesn't inspire much confidence that they've learned from them.

 

And why should your posts mean anything to BioWare or us here when you've already said they should negate the central tenant of what makes the franchise what it is?

 

Their doing that by setting the game in another galaxy.