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[Killroy]

Its not, its salvageable.
http://blog.bioware....fect-andromeda/
"this game is very much a new adventure, taking place far away from and long after the events of the original trilogy."
They can't pretend that no one is interested in going back to the MW forever.
The only thing Bioware will archive by running away from their problems is making themselves look bad. it shows that they don't want to fix their owm mistakes they'd rather run away from them every time they make one.
Nope, the trailer gave no indication of it being a Mass Effect game until the N7 logo showed up.
Looking at past work can give an indication on what to expect.
It would prove that they can deal with their own mistakes and know how to deal with them should they make the same ones again.
Their doing that by setting the game in another galaxy.

Discussing this with you is pointless. You make things up, you say the same stupid things over and over, you're willfully obtuse and you refuse to be logical.

[Drone223]

Discussing this with you is pointless. You make things up, you say the same stupid things over and over, you're willfully obtuse and you refuse to be logical.

Being skeptical about the direction Bioware is taking the franchise is not unreasonable.

[Killroy]

Being skeptical about the direction Bioware is taking the franchise is not unreasonable.

If that was where it ended that would be fine. You say the same stupid, unfounded things over and over, acting as if they're not stupid. Saying that future games having a different setting invalidates the original trilogy is stupid. Saying that they have to stay in the Milky Way to own up to their past mistakes is stupid.
Stop saying stupid things.

[Drone223]

If that was where it ended that would be fine. You say the same stupid, unfounded things over and over, acting as if they're not stupid. Saying that future games having a different setting invalidates the original trilogy is stupid. Saying that they have to stay in the Milky Way to own up to their past mistakes is stupid.
Stop saying stupid things.

Actions speak louder than words and the things Bioware is doing does warrent skepticism.

[Killroy]

Actions speak louder than words and the things Bioware is doing does warrent skepticism.

Stupidity is not skepticism.

[Drone223]

Stupidity is not skepticism.

The skepticism that people have with Bioware's new direction with the franchise is far from being stupid, its rather reasonable.

[StealthGamer92]

After Thessia falls, the asari councillor says "they must take precautions to ensure continuity of civilization."

Now I don't know much about the ark theory or what people been saying about the ark theory, but do you think that's what she's talking about?

No, I think it was talk of the high ranking official's running away and hoping to find a safe place to hide like the fool's they were since game 1.

[Drone223]

No, I think it was talk of the high ranking official's running away and hoping to find a safe place to hide like the fool's they were since game 1.

Saying that most high ranking individuals/politicians are fool in the ME series is a massive understatement, the ME series does a terrible job of portraying politicians in general.

[Iakus]

Are you sick of your tendency to jump to baseless conclusions too?

A space-ark doesn't predetermine method of travel. Did the OP say "Let's discuss the Ark theory in the context of traditional FTL travel and how it relates to this line in ME3"? No. No he did not.

I have yet to see an Ark theory that didn't involve one or more bag a$$ space ships crossing the gulf of darkspace somehow.

[Killroy]

I have yet to see an Ark theory that didn't involve one or more bag a$$ space ships crossing the gulf of darkspace somehow.

You've never seen the hundreds of posts positing wormholes as a method of travel?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

You've never seen the hundreds of posts positing wormholes as a method of travel?

Wouldn't those posts be about Wormhole Theory, not Ark Theory? 

[Iakus]

You've never seen the hundreds of posts positing wormholes as a method of travel?

Not as Ark Theory, no.

As some sort of unique accident or a scientific experiment sure

[blahblahblah]

The skepticism that people have with Bioware's new direction with the franchise is far from being stupid, its rather reasonable.

But you are unreasonable person. You just keep saying same thing like a broken record. Just DEAL WITH IT.

[Ahriman]

How you guys don't get tired from arguing with him? It's easier to convince Jehovah's Witnesses to accept Islam.

[Drone223]

But you are unreasonable person. You just keep saying same thing like a broken record. Just DEAL WITH IT.

Nope, its unreasonable to blindly follow the hype train having low expectations avoids a lot of disappointment.

[Chealec]

Shepard and the reaper's have nothing to do with problems with ME:A, the problem is that Bioware is ditching the MW for good and the fact that setting the game in another galaxy is completely unnecessary since most of the MW is largely unexplored.

 

... and erm... nope, still don't see a problem here, what's so important about the Milky Way? Driving the Mako around one derelict lump of rock is going to be much the same as driving it around another lump of rock. So the whole Milky Way isn't explored - so what? At least if you meet a race of space lizards in Andromeda they won't be robo-space lizards because some plonker decided to merge all organic and synthetic life.

[Chealec]

How you guys don't get tired from arguing with him? It's easier to convince Jehovah's Witnesses to accept Islam.

 

May nan, who was devout Salvation Army, once got a Jehovah's witness to question their faith.

[Drone223]

... and erm... nope, still don't see a problem here, what's so important about the Milky Way? Driving the Mako around one derelict lump of rock is going to be much the same as driving it around another lump of rock. So the whole Milky Way isn't explored - so what? At least if you meet a race of space lizards in Andromeda they won't be robo-space lizards because some plonker decided to merge all organic and synthetic life.

Moving to another galaxy is just completely unnecessary though, a game about exploration can easily be done without going to another galaxy.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

... and erm... nope, still don't see a problem here, what's so important about the Milky Way? Driving the Mako around one derelict lump of rock is going to be much the same as driving it around another lump of rock. So the whole Milky Way isn't explored - so what? At least if you meet a race of space lizards in Andromeda they won't be robo-space lizards because some plonker decided to merge all organic and synthetic life.

Well, I can't speak for anyone but myself but as I've said before, the fact there were actual places of the Milky Way tucked away among the fictional ones was part of what made Mass Effect special to me. With us being in a fictional cluster in a galaxy that has practically no cartography done to it, that is gone now, possibly forever. 

[Chealec]

Moving to another galaxy is just completely unnecessary though, a game about exploration can easily be done without going to another galaxy.

 

Again, what difference does it make?

 

 

Well, I can't speak for anyone but myself but as I've said before, the fact there were actual places tucked away among the fictional ones made Mass Effect special to me. With us being in a fictional cluster in a galaxy that has practically no cartography done to it, that is gone now, possibly forever. 

 

So you'll lose the "probing Uranus" gag - other than the Sol system how many actual discovered exo-planets are in Mass Effect? How many of them use NASA / Hubble data to create approximate size, atmosphere or orbit? About the only real data in Mass Effect is the names of some star clusters... and quite why they'd use human designations rather than council ones is beyond me.

 

OK, I'll admit, I did quite like pottering about on the moon and seeing Earth framed behind my Mako in ME1 - but I'm not even slightly bothered about losing that in a new game. However, like yourself, I'm only speaking for myself here and, different strokes for different folks as the saying goes... this is an entirely subjective topic so we'll just have to agree to disagree

[Hanako Ikezawa]

So you'll lose the "probing Uranus" gag - other than the Sol system how many actual discovered exo-planets are in Mass Effect? How many of them use NASA / Hubble data to create approximate size, atmosphere or orbit? About the only real data in Mass Effect is the names of some star clusters... and quite why they'd use human designations rather than council ones is beyond me.

 

OK, I'll admit, I did quite like pottering about on the moon and seeing Earth framed behind my Mako in ME1 - but I'm not even slightly bothered about losing that in a new game. However, like yourself, I'm only speaking for myself here and, different strokes for different folks as the saying goes... this is an entirely subjective topic so we'll just have to agree to disagree

Exoplanets? None. There were a couple real stars, like Sol and Arcturus, and a few nebulae and clusters like you mentioned. Like I said, it was tucked away. But like a pinch of sugar rolled up into a loaf of bread, it made a difference and was special since so few science fiction franchises do even that much. But now everything but the galaxy is made up, and it may as well be a fictional galaxy with how little we know about the actual Andromeda, so that pinch of sugar is gone.But yeah, I know that's a subjective reason for not liking the move so we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

I am glad you will be able to fully enjoy it like you did the previous games.

[Chealec]

I am glad you will be able to fully enjoy it like you did the previous games.

 

... and I'm sorry you won't be able to - but I hope it's a good enough game to make up for that a bit!

[Drone223]

Again, what difference does it make?

By ditching the MW for good Bioware is throwing away what made ME unique in the first place. Bioware can make a game about exploration without throwing away the established setting.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

... and I'm sorry you won't be able to - but I hope it's a good enough game to make up for that a bit!

Thank you.

[Chealec]

By ditching the MW for good Bioware is throwing away what made ME unique in the first place. Bioware can make a game about exploration without throwing away the established setting.

 

For you perhaps, what made Mass Effect for me was the biotics, the tech, the aliens, the N7 program, the RP-lite mechanics and TPS cover-based combat system - and to a lesser extent the galaxy setting. For me it'll still be a Mass Effect game as they're taking most of what makes Mass Effect (for me) and dropping it into a new galaxy. Hopefully replacing some of the races dropped from the original trilogy with interesting new ones from the Andromeda galaxy.

 

What we're losing, in my opinion, is far less important than what we're keeping. If they hadn't made the ME3 endings so utterly wide-reaching I'd be perfectly happy for the game to remain in the Milky Way (or not, it's not that important to me one way or the other); but with the potential for either humanity and every other space-faring species being extinct (Refuse) or for everyone you meet being part robot (Synthesis) - I think moving to another galaxy is, by far, the lesser evil.