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[Pee Jae]

Missing the point, places like Omega Illium the Citadel, Thessia etc. help make up the ME setting throw them all away and you might as well have a new IP instead.

 

I think I am missing the point with what you say here (and sorry for just jumping in the middle) but... Omega is just an asteroid re-purposed into a station for mining in a field of them. What difference does it make if it's in the Milky Way or somewhere else? Illium and Thessia look almost the same to me and could be any city on any Asari planet. Most of the buildings themselves look like modern Prothean obelisks. The Citadel is just a giant space station and they did move it in ME3. So, why does it matter where any of those are "set?"

[Killroy]

For science:  Were you a middle child?

 

...what?

[Drone223]

By your definition those places from the first game didn't retain their relevance since they were never important again or revisited, meaning they never mattered to begin with.
Your logic is completely flawed and every argument you make is a losing one.

There were mentioned  several times in the following titles that's still gives them some relevance.

 

I think I am missing the point with what you say here (and sorry for just jumping in the middle) but... Omega is just an asteroid re-purposed into a station for mining in a field of them. What difference does it make if it's in the Milky Way or somewhere else? Illium and Thessia look almost the same to me and could be any city on any Asari planet. Most of the buildings themselves look like modern Prothean obelisks. The Citadel is just a giant space station and they did move it in ME3. So, why does it matter where any of those are "set?"

All those places have a unique feel to them, their not just some random space station or colony.

[Ahglock]

So if they mention omega and how much they miss that scum infested vorcha nest you are cool with Andromeda? I mean just because they moved doesn't mean they didn't come from the milky way and can't talk about it.

[Fayfel]

Why would humans be on this supposed Ark? They represent at best 0.2% of the galactic population and 99.7% of that is stuck on Earth. If the alien powers are making this happen, why would they bring along a potential future rival?

 

Presumably it'll be revealed that Gillian actually survived Kai Leng's toothbrush assault and that in her near death state the truths of the universe are revealed to her. Thus she becomes a super ascended biotic demigod time traveler and convinces the asari to work on the Ark project and that they need to bring humans along because humans are special. Of course it's revealed that the toothbrush was actually a locator beacon and Cerberus follows her to the Andromeda galaxy. The plot thickens!

[Salarian Master Race]

 

 

the toothbrush was actually a locator bacon and Cerberus follows her to the Andromeda galaxy because apparently there is a lot of bacon there

 

ftfy

[Kabooooom]

I hate how people claim that line is foreshadowing such a concept because.......

1. Bioware didn't come up with the idea at the time the ME3 was being developed.
2. It tells us nothing about such a project since its vague at best and could mean something else entirely.
3. If Bioware was building up such a project they wouldn't rely on one vague line they would have put more effort into building it up.
4. Its one line in a 30-40 hour game.

Right...ever heard of retroactive foreshadowing?

[Ahriman]

Why would humans be on this supposed Ark? They represent at best 0.2% of the galactic population and 99.7% of that is stuck on Earth. If the alien powers are making this happen, why would they bring along a potential future rival?

Because they are speeeshul, how could you forget? Oh, and ARKON is an Alliance project, so yeah, humans save the day again. Praise the Shepard.

[Drone223]

Right...ever heard of retroactive foreshadowing?

Given Bioware's track record with retcon's which are usually really bad this wouldn't fair better.

[blahblahblah]

Given Bioware's track record with retcon's which are usually really bad this wouldn't fair better.

That's the reason why they won't canonise an ending. It will be an inconsistent mess due to retcons like DA.

[Drone223]

That's the reason why they won't canonise an ending. It will be an inconsistent mess due to retcons like DA.

Making one of the endings canon wouldn't be considered inconsistent, building an ark ship capable of traveling to another galaxy in the span of a few months when the galaxy clearly lacks the technology to do so is inconsistent. 

[blahblahblah]

Making one of the endings canon wouldn't be considered inconsistent, building an ark ship capable of traveling to another galaxy in the span of a few months when the galaxy clearly lacks the technology to do so is inconsistent.

Making one of the endings canon wouldn't be considered inconsistent, building an ark ship capable of traveling to another galaxy in the span of a few months when the galaxy clearly lacks the technology to do so is inconsistent.

Canonising an ending is always filled with numerous retcons. Did you ever play Dragon Age or World of Warcraft?

[Drone223]

Canonising an ending is always filled with numerous retcons. Did you ever play Dragon Age or World of Warcraft?

Except nothing is being reconnected since its just picking off from one of the possible ending outcomes and using it as a foundation to build the next game on.

[blahblahblah]

Except nothing is being reconnected since its just picking off from one of the possible ending outcomes and using it as a foundation to build the next game on.

Except picking a canon choice always invalidates your choices in the game and its similar to a retcon. Its hard to argue to willfully ignorant people.

[Chealec]

Except picking a canon choice always invalidates your choices in the game and its similar to a retcon...

 

I think the starbrat at the end of ME3 already did that

[SolNebula]

At first I was disappointed too with the whole going to Andromeda thing...but then I realized I wouldn't play a sequel set in the Milky Way who isn't representing the choices I did in ME3. I realized that if my choices (High EMS Destroy, with Genophage cured and Quarian alive) weren't reflected in the next game then I would have lost all the interest in that game (I despise Control and even more Synthesis).

 

In conclusion it is better to go to Andromeda so my canon (as the ones of many others) is respected and can just hope BW plan their story better this time around.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Right...ever heard of retroactive foreshadowing?

You're thinking of retroactive continuity aka retcon. Most people aren't fans of retcons. 

[In Exile]

You're thinking of retroactive continuity aka retcon. Most people aren't fans of retcons.

I think that's not quite fair to the writing medium here. Like with TV, you can't always plan out your series long myth arcs, and often take advantage of things said offhandedly in previous stories as a hook for your present arc. It wouldn't be unreasonable or unheard of for Bioware to tie this premise to random bits of dialogue from an earlier entry.

[Drone223]

Except picking a canon choice always invalidates your choices in the game and its similar to a retcon. Its hard to argue to willfully ignorant people.

Making 2-3 choices is not even close to being compared to a retcon and even having 2-3 choices made canon is much preferable to having all choices invalidated.

[Killroy]

Making 2-3 choices is not even close to being compared to a retcon and even having 2-3 choices made canon is much preferable to having all choices invalidated.

Well then it's a good thing changing the setting for future games doesn't invalidate any past choices.

[Drone223]

Well then it's a good thing changing the setting for future games doesn't invalidate any past choices.

Except by changing the setting they are invalidating player choices since saving the galaxy is now pointless.

[Killroy]

Except by changing the setting they are invalidating player choices since saving the galaxy is now pointless.

Repeating the same stupid thing over and over doesn't make it less stupid.

[Drone223]

Repeating the same stupid thing over and over doesn't make it less stupid.

If people didn't have problem with moving to another galaxy they wouldn't complain about it.

[Killroy]

If people didn't have problem with moving to another galaxy they wouldn't complain about it.

Lots of people complain about stupid stuff and/or make stupid complaints. Your complaint is stupid. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

[Malanek]

Canonising an ending is always filled with numerous retcons. Did you ever play Dragon Age or World of Warcraft?

Sorry, this is completely incorrect. They DIDN'T canonise an ending with DA. In fact there problem was exactly the OPPOSITE, they wanted to do an import, but still wanted story continuity and got into trouble with some aspects (opps Liliana) while watering down what should have been significant differences (having anvil of the void/ not having anvil of the void).