Aargh! Collectables!
Have found 6/8 of the Gears in the Warrens, but cannot locate the others. As far as I know, all passages and rooms have been checked. Where are they?
I can skip the mugs, and simply collect the ones that I come across normally, but those Gears may be required to open more doors.
Just want to let you know that you will come across far more gears then you need to open all the doors, don't panic if you're missing a couple from each little area.
So, what are the Titans, assuming there is more than one?
Lyrium is their blood and the mass of it we find at the end of the DLC certainly seemed like an hearth. However, we are still talking about a cave system which has to be connected to the rest of Thedas.
So, Titans are...sentient beings made of rock and lyrium which are part of the mass of Thedas but separate from it at the same time? Or is Thedas a Titan?
As in, every piece of ground you walk upon is part of a Titan?
From what I've gathered and I'm really not sure I understood correctly ;...
There is the Stone (I imagine rock earth dirt whatever...) , the Stone existed before the Titans , then there is the Titans.Those are two different things.
I don't think the stone is really part of their body?I imagine it's like a coat or something?
I guess they are like skeleton for the earth ("Pillars of the earth" ) some kind of tectonic plates just without the plates just a circulatory system made of lyrium.All that magic probably produce pulses /force etc.
Possible they have other type of organs, who knows.
I don't think every single piece of earth is a Titan ...although it's hard to say .This one was below the Deep Roads ...but you can assume everywhere there's lots of lyrium growing , there's a Titan.
Maybe not for red lyrium though , since the stuff eats people and grow everywhere.
I mean, it this the Titan? Is the cave system part of its organism? Is that what is meant by "we're inside it?"
I mean, it this the Titan? Is the cave system part of its organism? Is that what is meant by "we're inside it?"
No bloody idea , but if lyrium veins are part of the beast , and there doesn't seem to be a clear definition of where its body start and when it ends ...well if there's lyrium veins you're walking on it , or inside it.
I'm not sure the cave , plants and stuff are really the Titans.
I mean we have all sort of things in our bodies like bacteria etc , they're inside us but not really part of us.
Edit :
I'm watching some youtube video ,trying to clear up the confusion.
So here's what's said in game.
Shaper Lady reading an old rune about Titans :
"It shapes the stone .It is the stone.It sculpts the world within and without"
Inquisidumb :If Titans "shape the stone" could they have actually created it?
Shaper Stupid :The Stone must have existed first.
Inquisidumber :Then The titans would be the very first children of the Stone....
Later after several rocks and lyrium blast to the face :
Inquisinotgettingsmarter : "You said you are a child of the Stone, not a child of the Titans."
Shaper Who Has Lost It: I'm not certain what I am , but the Titan recognised me .Like a parent hearing its child's voice.
Maybe I'm the stupid one but I guess the rune saying "IT IS the stone" should have settled the whole business. 
Then the Titans would be being made of the stone and they could shape it like one shapes muscles or I don't know change a haircut.
Just want to let you know that you will come across far more gears then you need to open all the doors, don't panic if you're missing a couple from each little area.
I'm curious...are the Titans poised to be the new Big Bad? I only mention because in Legacy, we delved into a Warden prison, found out about an Ancient Magister/Darkspawn who took over the body of another, and then because the motivation for creating the Inquisition. Second DLC, I might add.
Now, from all accounts, and Valta may or may NOT have been possessed by a Titan after delving into the Deep Roads. Whatever these things are, they seem to work through others.
Also, DAII had a very Human-centric plot. DAI had a plot that REALLY dug into the Elves. SOOOOO...are we being set up for a plot that factors the Dwarves into it in a huge way?
Lastly, what would happen to a Titan exposed to the Blight, ala Red Lyrium?
No bloody idea , but if lyrium veins are part of the beast , and there doesn't seem to be a clear definition of where its body start and when it ends ...well if there's lyrium veins you're walking on it , or inside it.
I'm not sure the cave , plants and stuff are really the Titans.
I mean we have all sort of things in our bodies like bacteria etc , they're inside us but not really part of us.
Edit :
I'm watching some youtube video ,trying to clear up the confusion.
So here's what's said in game.
Shaper Lady reading an old rune about Titans :
"It shapes the stone .It is the stone.It sculpts the world within and without"
Inquisidumb :If Titans "shape the stone" could they have actually created it?
Shaper Stupid :The Stone must have existed first.
Inquisidumber :Then The titans would be the very first children of the Stone....
Later after several rocks and lyrium blast to the face :
Inquisinotgettingsmarter : "You said you are a child of the Stone, not a child of the Titans."
Shaper Who Has Lost It: I'm not certain what I am , but the Titan recognised me .Like a parent hearing its child's voice.
Maybe I'm the stupid one but I guess the rune saying "IT IS the stone" should have settled the whole business.
Then the Titans would be being made of the stone and they could shape it like one shapes muscles or I don't know change a haircut.
Yeah, seems like The Stone and Dwarves all seem to the the children of The Stone, each with different roles to the Stone.
Titans shape the "world within and without" while the Dwarves seem to have other roles. People say kinda say that if Dwarves are are actually living in the Stone then they might be like cells within a body: Warriors being more akin to white blood cells/ tasked to "purify" the gangue within The Stone
According to an inscription of the Legion of the Dead, the Stone is balanced but not pure. That means besides its good attributes, it also contains the gangue, the waste and unstable rock which should be cut away. Subsequently, in order for the dwarves to prosper they need to face the gangue and carve it out of themselves.
The gangue can be faced only when the Legion of the Dead Armor is adorned as well as the Helm of the Legion.
Maybe what those Dwarves were doing to themselves are just an extreme version of when Ancient Dwarves tasked originally were. Just after being cut off from all Dwarves they ended taking Stone Worship/ protection way too far.
Afterall, in a codex entry Valta said that The Stone don't need or want their protection. That she wants to be reconnected to her "children"
Did I bring the wrong party with me? (Cassandra, Sera, Vivienne) because each battle, even against low level enemies, seems to take forever. I've started zoning out during combat....
Did I bring the wrong party with me? (Cassandra, Sera, Vivienne) because each battle, even against low level enemies, seems to take forever. I've started zoning out during combat....
Nope, I had to change to casual, not because it was challenging, but because enemies have mountains of health.
Genlock Alphas, Ogres and Earthshakers in particular. It makes some parts a chore to get through.
Oh, man. Dagna would have loved that...
Well she should've joined the trip when she had the chance 
Thedas is on shaky ground.
Nope, I had to change to casual, not because it was challenging, but because enemies have mountains of health.
Genlock Alphas, Ogres and Earthshakers in particular. It makes some parts a chore to get through.
One of my friends got it (I won't) and he told me that killing those ogres and genlock alphas, in his opinion, was beyond tedious . In every encounter, it took him the same time to kill them, you would have taken in preparing coffee, then taking a short shower and brush your teeth just to get back and find the same ogre not making a scratch on you but with still half health.
From what I've gathered on different threads, it seems that for $15.00 plus tax you will have a very nice music, beautiful scenery, mostly mute companions that never interact with each other, absolutely no choices throughout an entire DLC, a lot of bull about some titans than never gets to be explained (but gives the speculation theorist on these threads a lot to mumble about), no one piece of DAI lore slightly explained. It seems to me that the devs are all over the place and the writers are....well, on vacation? I will think about it when it get half the current price (and judging by the the current price of Jaws of Hakkon, I won't have to wait very long).
The people who are having a tedious time killing the darkspawn alphas are using cleansing runes on weapons yes? (just making sure, many people forget) My mage is slaughtering the darkspawn big guys with fire staff + cleansing rune in my second run through the DLC. Ogres take a little more time but not as tedious now as my first playthrough without the cleansing rune. I made sure to bring two heavy hitter companions with me aswell, and one tank. I play on hard mode. The emissary alpha was the longer fight, as per usual, but not as long as the first time I did it.
The people who are having a tedious time killing the darkspawn alphas are using cleansing runes on weapons yes? (just making sure, many people forget) My mage is slaughtering the darkspawn big guys with fire staff + cleansing rune in my second run through the DLC. Ogres take a little more time but not as tedious now as my first playthrough without the cleansing rune. I made sure to bring two heavy hitter companions with me aswell, and one tank. I play on hard mode. The emissary alpha was the longer fight, as per usual, but not as long as the first time I did it.
Thanks for the tip. I watched a play through of that battle...it took about thirty minutes. NOT looking forward to when I play through that portion...
Thanks for the tip. I watched a play through of that battle...it took about thirty minutes. NOT looking forward to when I play through that portion...
A friend of mine was in that Alpha Emissary fight for an hour and a half. No cleansing runes used at all, and no barrier damage stats, it was painful enough to watch . definitely make sure at least one companion, or the Inquisitor too, has some sort of barrier damage percent for that fight as well as the cleansing runes (I had Varric with 15% barrier damage and Inq with 28%, it seemed enough to not make it a headache). the barrier takes forever to strip otherwise.
A friend of mine was in that Alpha Emissary fight for an hour and a half. No cleansing runes used at all, and no barrier damage stats, it was painful enough to watch . definitely make sure at least one companion, or the Inquisitor too, has some sort of barrier damage percent for that fight as well as the cleansing runes (I had Varric with 15% barrier damage and Inq with 28%, it seemed enough to not make it a headache). the barrier takes forever to strip otherwise.
I curb stomped Corypheus at level 20 in less than twenty minutes. This thing is that tough? Wow...time to start stockpiling runes then...
The Titan is...something and we are inside it.
The Sha-Brytol drink lyrium and that turned them into...something.
Lyrium is, again...something.
The Breach awoke the Titan because...and it was doing...something.
To be Pure is...something.
And Valta is now...something as well.
Could we please get some straight answers for once.
Also, he knooooooooows.
"You can't be taller, not without the Titans."
Tell us your secrets, child!
Ask his mother
I curb stomped Corypheus at level 20 in less than twenty minutes. This thing is that tough? Wow...time to start stockpiling runes then...
Tough? not so much, lvl 27 mage and co barely got hurt. Tons and tons of health? yup, definitely, they went a bit crazy with health bars so every little trick to do more damage is a huge advantage. or and when a fire aoe looking thing goes above one of your party's head, take control of whatever character it is right away and run them away from the group, then when bubble gets stuck in place instead of following you around run out of its AoE asap, that thing does the most damage to me if caught in it.
A friend of mine was in that Alpha Emissary fight for an hour and a half. No cleansing runes used at all, and no barrier damage stats, it was painful enough to watch . definitely make sure at least one companion, or the Inquisitor too, has some sort of barrier damage percent for that fight as well as the cleansing runes (I had Varric with 15% barrier damage and Inq with 28%, it seemed enough to not make it a headache). the barrier takes forever to strip otherwise.
Also use the Aegis of the Rift ability if you have it from JoH, it'll completely block the Emissary's spirit blasts from hitting its target (and reflect the damage back on it if you've upgraded the ability).
Also use the Aegis of the Rift ability if you have it from JoH, it'll completely block the Emissary's spirit blasts from hitting its target (and reflect the damage back on it if you've upgraded the ability).
Yes! this too.
Tough? not so much, lvl 27 mage and co barely got hurt. Tons and tons of health? yup, definitely, they went a bit crazy with health bars so every little trick to do more damage is a huge advantage. or and when a fire aoe looking thing goes above one of your party's head, take control of whatever character it is right away and run them away from the group, then when bubble gets stuck in place instead of following you around run out of its AoE asap, that thing does the most damage to me if caught in it.
Okay, tedious. I was thinking of tackling it with a lower level character, just to see how it would go. I've heard rumor that these things scale, unlike the main game. An AOE? I saw that on a stream. Should have paid more attention. Cool. Thanks for the info. Those darkspawn battles always were a bit of a slog, but nothing TOO bad. As long as it isn't spiders every five meters, shouldn't be too terrible.
Something I keep wondering is if the Titans are rather like the Shai-Hulud from Dune; immense beings that glide through the stone like worms through earth. Lyrium could be like the Spice that is created within their bodies. Thus there is no transition that someone human-scaled would realize as they step through natural rock tunnels and into the circulatory/digestive system of a Titan, since they are a part of the Stone.
The whole theme of Mythal glyphs being found with massive concentrations of lyrium seems to support the hypothesis someone posted earlier in this thread, the Ancient Elvhens made war upon the Titans, and made monuments/shrines where those bodies fell. atop or within the carcasses themselves.
Also another hypothesis this whole discussion has made me wonder, is if when Fen'Harel sealed away the Ancient Pantheon and the Forgotten Ones, if the prison was not a spiritual prison beyond the Fade like so many have theorized, but rather one of flesh? Bear with me...
What if the Pantheon/Forgotten Ones were sealed in the form of savage dragons, trapped in a world of flesh without intellect, without vocal communication, blocked from the spirits and magic that allowed them to build an empire? Then they were buried deep underground as penance for their slaughter of the Titans, the Pillars of the Stone, to sort of take their place? This would explain the uneasiness Solas demonstrates when discussion of slaying the sleeping Old Gods is brought up. It also links nicely with the hypothesis of Seven Old Gods matching the remaining seven Pantheon members, as well as the hypothesis that the Forgotten Ones are actually a Yin-Yang aspect of the Pantheon in the first place, each being the "Dark Side" of a Pantheon member, and thus in this case, explaining why an Old God becomes an Archdemon when the Darkspawn find and corrupt one.
Thoughts?
Something I keep wondering is if the Titans are rather like the Shai-Hulud from Dune; immense beings that glide through the stone like worms through earth. Lyrium could be like the Spice that is created within their bodies. Thus there is no transition that someone human-scaled would realize as they step through natural rock tunnels and into the circulatory/digestive system of a Titan, since they are a part of the Stone.
The whole theme of Mythal glyphs being found with massive concentrations of lyrium seems to support the hypothesis someone posted earlier in this thread, the Ancient Elvhens made war upon the Titans, and made monuments/shrines where those bodies fell. atop or within the carcasses themselves.
Also another hypothesis this whole discussion has made me wonder, is if when Fen'Harel sealed away the Ancient Pantheon and the Forgotten Ones, if the prison was not a spiritual prison beyond the Fade like so many have theorized, but rather one of flesh? Bear with me...
What if the Pantheon/Forgotten Ones were sealed in the form of savage dragons, trapped in a world of flesh without intellect, without vocal communication, blocked from the spirits and magic that allowed them to build an empire? Then they were buried deep underground as penance for their slaughter of the Titans, the Pillars of the Stone, to sort of take their place? This would explain the uneasiness Solas demonstrates when discussion of slaying the sleeping Old Gods is brought up. It also links nicely with the hypothesis of Seven Old Gods matching the remaining seven Pantheon members, as well as the hypothesis that the Forgotten Ones are actually a Yin-Yang aspect of the Pantheon in the first place, each being the "Dark Side" of a Pantheon member, and thus in this case, explaining why an Old God becomes an Archdemon when the Darkspawn find and corrupt one.
Thoughts?
Interesting. I mean, the Titans AREN'T like anything we've seen. They don't even have to be somewhat humanoid...
...heck, they could be Reapers for all we know.
I wonder if they will tie all the different bits of lore together. Maybe they need someone who will actually sit down and try to make sense of it all...I sure can't...
Something I keep wondering is if the Titans are rather like the Shai-Hulud from Dune; immense beings that glide through the stone like worms through earth. Lyrium could be like the Spice that is created within their bodies. Thus there is no transition that someone human-scaled would realize as they step through natural rock tunnels and into the circulatory/digestive system of a Titan, since they are a part of the Stone.
The whole theme of Mythal glyphs being found with massive concentrations of lyrium seems to support the hypothesis someone posted earlier in this thread, the Ancient Elvhens made war upon the Titans, and made monuments/shrines where those bodies fell. atop or within the carcasses themselves.
Also another hypothesis this whole discussion has made me wonder, is if when Fen'Harel sealed away the Ancient Pantheon and the Forgotten Ones, if the prison was not a spiritual prison beyond the Fade like so many have theorized, but rather one of flesh? Bear with me...
What if the Pantheon/Forgotten Ones were sealed in the form of savage dragons, trapped in a world of flesh without intellect, without vocal communication, blocked from the spirits and magic that allowed them to build an empire? Then they were buried deep underground as penance for their slaughter of the Titans, the Pillars of the Stone, to sort of take their place? This would explain the uneasiness Solas demonstrates when discussion of slaying the sleeping Old Gods is brought up. It also links nicely with the hypothesis of Seven Old Gods matching the remaining seven Pantheon members, as well as the hypothesis that the Forgotten Ones are actually a Yin-Yang aspect of the Pantheon in the first place, each being the "Dark Side" of a Pantheon member, and thus in this case, explaining why an Old God becomes an Archdemon when the Darkspawn find and corrupt one.
Thoughts?
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