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[rapscallioness]

It does sound interesting, though, Dat Lore! I haven't played it--I saw about 15-20 minutes of it on utoob, but it looked pretty good.

 

Idk if they're gonna follow through, but it seems there is a very real thread with these stories. Both dlc and vanilla game.They're getting to the lore behind the lore. The traditions behind the traditions.

 

Basically, all these races have been talking alot of smack. Built their cultures, traditions and belief systems on these ideas they had about what was true. And have also done some awful things using these beliefs about what was true as a rationalization. Only to find none of them really knew wth they were talking about. It's like being at the club.  Dancing, a lil snookered, everything is beautiful. Then it hits 3:00am and they turn on the flood lights. Things look a whole lot different then.

 

At any rate, it wasn't just the factions in DAI that got turned upside down, but the races and the cultures themselves. You really see it with the elves in the main game; the dwarves; in the main game the cryptic stuff abt the Qunari from IB, and then that one mosaic called "The Sacrifice"; Tevinter and finding out it Possibly was one of their own Magisters that screwed everything afterall; we got to see the Avaar, and understand about some pre-Andrastian/Chantry human culture--the idea that the spirits recycle? Ofc, reminding me of the Sleeping gods.

 

In addition, the scene with Solas, his spirit friend trapped by those young mages..(lol those guys). Solas says the spirit will reinvent itself. Or...what was it?.. if there was enough energy-if the memory of it was strong enough- from others calling on it, it could return, or be reborn. It could also create other spirits from its being. Something along those lines. It reminded both of that spirit/memory of the Divine in the Fade, as well as making me think the Maker was indeed just recycling itself. It was never a matter of their sin that drove the Maker away, but rather as a spirit it may simply be...going thru its cycles of being.

 

Solas also said, though, that when the spirit returned it would have a different personality. It would not remember him. Which was interesting to me. If the Maker did return, would it know it was the "Maker"? Esp as the Chantry sees it? Would it remember anything from before?

 

** tl;dr: I don;t think they're just adding more dangly bits upon dangly bits. I think they're actually building something here. Each revelation a part of a larger picture that is then put together. Like those mosaics. I hope it's a spectacular reveal! When it does come. May take a game or two.

[robertthebard]

I know this question is highly subjective- but I have to ask it regardless:  Is it worth the money?  (I am very interested in the story and expanding the lore....BUT I am also very tight with my money and something about paying 15.00 dollars + tax....Yes yes, I know that equates to a total of 16.95- less than 20 dollars)....But something is telling me 'don't waste your money'..... I have to admit I'm torn!

Subjectively: I quite enjoyed it, and it's less than it would cost me to go out for dinner and movie, with the added benefit of if I want to do it again, which I might, I don't have to pay for it again.

[Knight of Dane]

I have to say despite my earlier critisism that I actually enjoyed this DLC. Quite a bit more than JoH. There is more overall gameplay construction, interesting exploration, new characters and plenty of interesting sights.

 

If you are hardcore gameplay fan, companion fanatic or main plot expectant, then I think you will enjoy it less than most. I am unsure if it is worth its price, but as opposed to JoH I actually felt like I got something good out of my money.

[fabio012]

Could someone summarize the story?

The she dwarf gets biotic powers from the lyrium which means that lyrium is element zero and there is Citadel like technology at the end zone which means the mass effect and dragon age world are intertwined.

[Thargorichiban]

I would definitely recommend bringing Varric, he does say a bunch of thing during the mission.

 

I also brought Blackwall, but he was largely silent most of the time. He did have a pretty grim comment in the beginning about the Deep Roads and he got one conversation with the legion of the dead guy about the Wardens.

 

Solas is a waste of space during this DLC. He says nothing. I really wish I had brought Cole instead, I'm sure he would have said something.

[Deebo305]

I'm just gonna say right now, those Bolters were using freaking mini guns and NOT crossbows. I could literally see Varric cringing at the absurdity of that firepower

Just 3 of these guys together could wipe my party. I thought Hakkonites were the worst BW could think up *facepalm*

[Knight of Dane]

Really? They were just shooting spitballs, they were extremely underwhelming.

[Aggie Punbot]

There's a merchant at the first camp that will buy your items for an obscene amount of money, about 10x as much as anywhere else. And by her is a chest with about 30 of each Non-DLC Dragon crafting item.

She also sells up to 150 of each Dragon crafting item (bone, scale, webbing).

[Avejajed]

Yeah I made like 200,000 gold off this DLC.

[Sabriel.]

** tl;dr: I don;t think they're just adding more dangly bits upon dangly bits. I think they're actually building something here. Each revelation a part of a larger picture that is then put together. Like those mosaics. I hope it's a spectacular reveal! When it does come. May take a game or two.

Agreed! I'm sorry people are disappointed that they didn't drop a ginormous lore bomb that answers a bunch of questions, but....they're not gonna do that in an optional DLC anyway. Back in the Legacy days I remember people being similarly disappointed with Corypheus because it was still kind of a giant question after you beat him. Then people who hadn't played it were just confused when he's the bad guy in Inquisition and people are talking like they know him. 

 

I enjoyed learning about some dwarven lore! In the main story the elf Inquisitors get to find out how little they actually know, and now it's the dwarves' turn. I liked realizing in hindsight that the Titan's guardian was pushing Valta away from the fight so she'd be safe while it kicked my party's asses. I assume with a Cadash Inquisitor and Varric them being surface dwarves makes them fair game? All these implications are fascinating. And talk about a way better boss fight than Corypheus, wow.

 

I'll admit I got chills when Valta used magic. Finally, dwarf mage! Slightly annoying that your Inquisitor can't even question her obvious plot armor, especially since most of my party didn't like the idea of leaving her to her own devices, but I liked her anyway and she'll probably show up in a future game again, so whatever.

 

No, we didn't get every single answer, but we got a few. There've been strange theories about the Titans going around for months. Now we have part of the puzzle. (The lyrium = titan blood theory was really close to my guess so I was kind of just extremely giddy playing through this thing.)

 

Also, am I damn glad I played JoH first and got Aegis of the Rift. Can't touch me, Bolters.

[fabio012]

Agreed! I'm sorry people are disappointed that they didn't drop a ginormous lore bomb that answers a bunch of questions, but....they're not gonna do that in an optional DLC anyway. Back in the Legacy days I remember people being similarly disappointed with Corypheus because it was still kind of a giant question after you beat him. Then people who hadn't played it were just confused when he's the bad guy in Inquisition and people are talking like they know him. 

 

I enjoyed learning about some dwarven lore! In the main story the elf Inquisitors get to find out how little they actually know, and now it's the dwarves' turn. I liked realizing in hindsight that the Titan's guardian was pushing Valta away from the fight so she'd be safe while it kicked my party's asses. I assume with a Cadash Inquisitor and Varric them being surface dwarves makes them fair game? All these implications are fascinating. And talk about a way better boss fight than Corypheus, wow.

 

I'll admit I got chills when Valta used magic. Finally, dwarf mage! Slightly annoying that your Inquisitor can't even question her obvious plot armor, especially since most of my party didn't like the idea of leaving her to her own devices, but I liked her anyway and she'll probably show up in a future game again, so whatever.

 

No, we didn't get every single answer, but we got a few. There've been strange theories about the Titans going around for months. Now we have part of the puzzle. (The lyrium = titan blood theory was really close to my guess so I was kind of just extremely giddy playing through this thing.)

 

Also, am I damn glad I played JoH first and got Aegis of the Rift. Can't touch me, Bolters.

Lyrium = Element Zero since the lyrium that hit the she dwarf gave her biotic abilities. That seemed to be the biggest reveal in the dlc.

[ComedicSociopathy]

It is was alright.

 

Basically a mix of Origins Deep Roads quest and the Temple of Mythal. Except we never really get an explanation as to what these ancient dwarves are and how they fact into dwarven history. Their likely the dwarves equivalent of the Sentinel Elves, but that still doesn't explain how they came to be or whether present day dwarves evolved or devolved from them. 

 

In the end DLC...

 

 

Oh, also, the Wellspring just kind of disappearing before the Shaperate can study the place was terrible. I mean, come on. We should of had an option to strip mine the place for every archaeological wonder in it ,while also examining Valta for her connection to the Stone.

 

Would of loved to have a wartable mission deal with that.

[The_Real_Lee]

We didn't really learn anything thing new. We confirmed that Lyrium is alive, and the only real new thing is that Titans are a thing, and Lyrium is their blood. We can infer that Titans can be blighted by the taint, and that somehow Titans can let Dwarves use magic, or something approximating magic. Kind of want to see a tainted Titan.

[AVPen]

In future playthroughs I'm probably gonna play Descent before Jaws of Hakkon. Anyone else feels JoH is harder?

Yeah, JoH was definitely harder than Descent - I wiped more a few times while playing JoH (just from those freaking Avaar rogues....), but I never wiped once while playing through the Descent.

 

That said, maybe a reason for that was because I had already played through JoH before playing Descent and had the Inquisitor's new Aegis of the Rift ability (and that power will seriously save your butt against the Darkspawn/dwarven snipers and the Emissary's energy blasts).

[rapscallioness]

The she dwarf gets biotic powers from the lyrium which means that lyrium is element zero and there is Citadel like technology at the end zone which means the mass effect and dragon age world are intertwined.

 

The tech you mention is interesting to me because I did notice throughout the vanilla game there was alot of strange new tech looking stuff popping up. I think it was mostly from the Venatori's doing. Well, and those weird elven balls that strengthened the Veil again. Surprised me, though.

[rapscallioness]

It is was alright.

 

*snip*

 

Oh, also, the Wellspring just kind of disappearing before the Shaperate can study the place was terrible. I mean, come on. We should of had an option to strip mine the place for every archaeological wonder in it ,while also examining Valta for her connection to the Stone.

 

Would of loved to have a wartable mission deal with that.

 

Oh, man. Dagna would have loved that...

[theacefes]

We didn't really learn anything thing new. We confirmed that Lyrium is alive, and the only real new thing is that Titans are a thing, and Lyrium is their blood. We can infer that Titans can be blighted by the taint, and that somehow Titans can let Dwarves use magic, or something approximating magic. Kind of want to see a tainted Titan.

 

Sorry for crazy theory time but:

 

What a tainted Titan was a thing and

Spoiler

Arlathan was built on one and the Black City was the result of that lovely pairing?

[JamieCOTC]

Descent reminded me more of the main quests, What Pride has Wrought, etc, than a zone on its own. It's a pretty good story, beautiful graphics, a fair amount of cutscenes w/ some interaction between the two dwarven guides and a few comments from the squaddies. There are moments in Descent that feel like an upgraded version of DA:O because of exploring the deep roads. There's also a couple of nice call back to the HoF as well. And it's a dungeon crawl, (a tough one) something DA:I hasn't really had. It's a good piece of DLC and I enjoyed it quite a lot. That said, the story is rather linear and out of place. Jaws of Hakkon at least had a connection to the game. Descent feels like it was supposed to be in DA2 or DA:O and while it does add to the overall lore of Thedas, it doesn't connect well to the Inquisition. I played it w/ a fairly new playthrough and it may fit better after the main game. Still, I liked it and it was a refreshing change to the hodgepodge zones.

[ComedicSociopathy]

Oh, man. Dagna would have loved that...

 

[Vervain]

Given the content it should have made use of Dagna & Morrigan (and possibly her god child if he exists in your iteration).

[Vervain]

Random theory:

 

We know that the Avaar have a legend where Korth Mountain Father removes his heart and puts it in a golden chest in a mountain.  Given its pre-andrastrian roots, could Avaar ideas be re-telling corruptions of older stories?

 

A corrupted titan exists somewhere, hence red lyrium.

 

What happened about thousand years ago that may have awoken the titan:

 

The First Blight:                           7205 Founding of Arlathan - 800 Tevinter Imperium - -395 Ancient Age

The killing of Andraste:                7430 Founding of Arlathan - 1025 Tevinter Imperium - -170 Ancient Age

 

What do people think?

[Dancing_Dolphin]

So mother earth in the elven tale about Elgarnan was a Titan? Interesting. I wonder if that means his father the sun is a real creature or if the sun represented Arlathan and it's excessive use of lyrium and near destruction of the earth/Titans because of it? Probably Arlathan.

Really enjoyed the dlc, though I would recommend people be at a pretty high level (about the same level as JoH) before playing.

I wonder if we will get to see the Scaled Ones in the next dlc, or will the devs make us wait for DA4? I'm dying to see one of those snake kings up close. So far all we have to go by is this pic...

[X Equestris]

What happened about thousand years ago that may have awoken the titan:
 
The First Blight:                           7205 Founding of Arlathan - 800 Tevinter Imperium - -395 Ancient Age
The killing of Andraste:                7430 Founding of Arlathan - 1025 Tevinter Imperium - -170 Ancient Age
 
What do people think?

If the Breach awakened this one, perhaps the Magisters entering the Fade awoke the one about a thousand years ago.

[theacefes]

Sorry for crazy theory time but:
 
What a tainted Titan was a thing and

Spoiler

Arlathan was built on one and the Black City was the result of that lovely pairing?

 
 
 

If the Breach awakened this one, perhaps the Magisters entering the Fade awoke the one about a thousand years ago.

 
Sorry, had to bump.

 

Okay, reaching here:
 
In Origins, the elven ruins are underground. What if Arlathan was underground as well? If Arlathan/corrupted titan/black city are the same thing, what if the fact that the city is in the Fade the reason dwarves no longer have their connection to magic?

[themageguy]

So i wonder if a dwarven templar doesn't experience any of the negative side effects a human does?

And those Defenders were absolutely awesome