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[Spin-Orbit]

You're wrong. You have enough options to beat HB regardless of stats. You just don't know about them or don't care about them. Ironically, the reason you're failing is because you're not focusing on tactical and intelligent gameplay. We've balanced all 3 difficulties with **** gear and 30/30/30 stats on beta. It is meant to be accessible.

 

edit: didn't see that this  was an old thread..

again Wavebend, i will ask this if people can grind HB at 30/30/30 (which i know they can't and i don't know why you insist) what is the purpose of creating it? As we all know players with 30/30/30 stats can not grind NM and most of them can not grind perilous at low levels. They have stated that on multiple threads and you have seen the PUGS die. Why PUGS? because BSN represents 10% of the DAMP user base and the PUGS 90%.

[Silversmurf]

because BSN represents 10% of the DAMP user base

 

Sadly this is probably true

 

50 people post here

 

500 play DAMP ....

 

Spoiler

Do not ask for my source, it's classified

 

But hey,  EA says lots of people kill the Frost Dragon........ so we must be okay

[Wavebend]

which i know they can't and i don't know why you insist

 

Demons is doable at 30/30/30, no doubt about it.

 

what is the purpose of creating it?

 

For the overall challenge: if you're at low stats, it challenges your game knowledge. if you're at high stats and a scrub, then it challenges your promotions.  It was never meant to be a "grinded" difficulty like NM. Just do it once and you earn the title for it

[sonofbarak]

Demons is doable at 30/30/30, no doubt about it.

 

 

For the overall challenge: if you're at low stats, it challenges your game knowledge. if you're at high stats and a scrub, then it challenges your promotions.  It was never meant to be a "grinded" difficulty like NM. Just do it once and you earn the title for it

 

I got it now so if you're low stats and an scrub, it challenges your promotions. If you're high stats and an King it challenges your game knowledge
 

[Spin-Orbit]

Demons is doable at 30/30/30, no doubt about it.

 

 

For the overall challenge: if you're at low stats, it challenges your game knowledge. if you're at high stats and a scrub, then it challenges your promotions.  It was never meant to be a "grinded" difficulty like NM. Just do it once and you earn the title for it

i doubt there are many 4 player squads out there that can do the demons at HB, doable is very limited to certain players, also people who have high stats if they are given 30/30/30 they would be able to do it, but new players coming up to 30/30/30 will fail. That is game experience at work.

 

Everything in the game has been design for grinding, a one time challenge is not the DNA of DAMP

[ParthianShotX]

Heartbreaker is not meant for players like you actually. 

 

Thank you.   I quite agree.  I really have such an adverse reaction when I hear someone say X  "is meant for players like me."  

[Gutz]

Actually, HB can be - and has been - done with 30/30/30. In fact, I specifically do not promote in Beta because I want to test with stats that are more accessible for the average player.  It's meant for players that have experience with DAMP, but it doesn't mean only the over-promoters get to enjoy it.

 

If you don't want to take people with low stats to HB, that's your preference, but it's more a reflection of yourself than the quality of your community. Personally, I'd rather have a friend who is willing to coordinate with me than a solo artist from the leaderboards top 10 any day.

 

Also, before someone misinterprets, this isn't some sort of bragging about "skillz". I encourage people with lower starts to try conquering HB with friends: teamwork will take you further than stats

 

Please explain how you can do HB at 30/30/30.

 

Also, while you're at it, why not just say you can do HB at 10/10/10? I mean, what's the difference that extra 100 health and 10% resist/crit chance/damage gonna make????

[sonofbarak]

Please explain how you can do HB at 30/30/30.

 

Also, while you're at it, why not just say you can do HB at 10/10/10? I mean, what's the difference that extra 100 health and 10% resist/crit chance/damage gonna make????

 

A lot  of Host Migration my friend

[Gutz]

Demons is doable at 30/30/30, no doubt about it.

 

 

For the overall challenge: if you're at low stats, it challenges your game knowledge. if you're at high stats and a scrub, then it challenges your promotions.  It was never meant to be a "grinded" difficulty like NM. Just do it once and you earn the title for it

 

I highly doubt it. If someone has done it (who must be exceptional at this game and has 3 other people who are just as good), I'm sure we would have all seen some kind of screen shots/videos by now, considering how much people like making game play footage in this forum.

 

So please, rather than just say you can do HB at 30/30/30, elaborate on your statement. 

[Gutz]

A lot  of Host Migration my friend

 

Doesn't the zone get refreshed or double spawn with HM?

[sonofbarak]

Doesn't the zone get refreshed or double spawn with HM?

 

Never been done live only on Beta. Just an theory right now.

[kmeeg]

Demons are so much easier to kill than the other 2 factions on HB. I had the pleasure of killing the Demon faction with Wavebend and Pifffle in beta with 31/30/30 in all stats.

 

My gear in beta were quite meteoric compared to 'live'. We had to rejoin game a few times, but I don't recall any host migration. On the other hand Wavebend have done so many HB runs (I have only been there for a small fraction of them) that he got some really good tactics for low promotion runs.

 

I HATE the shield guys from 'Venatori' and 'Red Templars' with a passion, with 25 minutes for '1' freaking act arrgh! 

From before SS got hit by the nerfbat!

[bug_age_inquisition]

Yeah, this thread is old, it was basically me whining. I'll be the first to admit that.

 

Pro tip: Hunter is God-tier in Heartbreaker

[Carbon_Bishop]

Yeah, this thread is old, it was basically me whining. I'll be the first to admit that.

 

Pro tip: Hunter is God-tier in Heartbreaker

Build?

[bug_age_inquisition]

Build?

 

Hakkon bow

Stealth upgraded

Leaping shot upgraded

Spike trap, NO upgrade

Full draw or Throwing blades, upgraded

 

Passives are obvious, except I highly suggest if you go with Full Draw, taking Easy to Miss only costs you one extra point so you might as well go for it. Believe me, the people who start rumors saying it doesn't work are without a doubt wrong.

 

Equipment wise, I might take my magic defense belt off next time, in favor of health considering the only time I died was to an enemy leaping shot archer. 

 

Spike trap ring for sure. I like to take crit chance as well, so I don't need to waste a point on auto-crit out of stealth, and crits are essential on the Hakkon.

[Rundagutz]

I highly doubt it. If someone has done it (who must be exceptional at this game and has 3 other people who are just as good), I'm sure we would have all seen some kind of screen shots/videos by now, considering how much people like making game play footage in this forum.

 

So please, rather than just say you can do HB at 30/30/30, elaborate on your statement. 

umm...  Many people have done it before at 30/30/30.  The reason we use those stats as a base line is because that's what we got in beta. Now, we were only able to do this with low stats and mediocre gear because each person had a decent amount of skill and knowledge of game mechanics.  In addition to this, the teams had good planning, teamwork, and communication.  You wouldn't be able to do this with a PUG.  As Piffle mentioned, you will need to get with some friends and work at it together.  As long as you learn through trial and error, you can do it.  Now, with all that being said, I still think it needs to be harder.  lol

[sonofbarak]

umm...  Many people have done it before at 30/30/30.  The reason we use those stats as a base line is because that's what we got in beta. Now, we were only able to do this with low stats and mediocre gear because each person had a decent amount of skill and knowledge of game mechanics.  In addition to this, the teams had good planning, teamwork, and communication.  You wouldn't be able to do this with a PUG.  As Piffle mentioned, you will need to get with some friends and work at it together.  As long as you learn through trial and error, you can do it.  Now, with all that being said, I still think it needs to be harder.  lol

 

Lol it has not be done live only in beta.  This is an theory until someone does it live without leaving to reset potions and lives.

[Rundagutz]

Lol it has not be done live only in beta.  This is an theory until someone does it live without leaving to reset potions and lives.

haha.  no way to scale back our stats though...  so if we don't use beta as a base, I guess the argument is moot.    Would be fun if we can have a slider to scale our stats back.

[Wavebend]

until someone does it live

 

The denial is real, lol. It's totally doable on Demons. And as Rundagutz said, no way to reset our stats to 30/30/30.

[sonofbarak]

haha.  no way to scale back our stats though...  so if we don't use beta as a base, I guess the argument is moot.    Would be fun if we can have a slider to scale our stats back.

 

Tell you what start new characters and do it. Then I will believe. Will not take that long to get 30/30/30. No leaving to get new potions and lives and video.

[Wavebend]

Tell you what start new characters and do it. Then I will believe. Will not take that long to get 30/30/30. No leaving to get new potions and lives and video.

 

Your terms suck. I'm not investing 200 hrs and $35 for another copy. Give me four accounts with 30/30/30 stats and I'll do it.

[DanakV]

Your terms suck. I'm not investing 200 hrs and $35 for another copy. Give me four accounts with 30/30/30 stats and I'll do it.

 

Just try to do Heartbreaker with me.  Surely that will be more than ample handicap to make it like you're playing at 30/30/30.

[Proto]

Lol it has not be done live only in beta.  This is an theory until someone does it live without leaving to reset potions and lives.

 

Entirely possible to do it at 10/10/10 I would imagine. It just takes far too long to acquire the required equipment. I'm not going through that grind again. That being said I have no doubt its possible.

 

Equipment > Promototions.

 

"Live" makes it really hard to get that combination. Most people who have the equipment will also have the promotions.

[sonofbarak]

Entirely possible to do it at 10/10/10 I would imagine. It just takes far too long to acquire the required equipment. I'm not going through that grind again. That being said I have no doubt its possible.

 

Equipment > Promototions.

 

"Live" makes it really hard to get that combination. Most people who have the equipment will also have the promotions.

 

I hear what you saying. I just want to see it live. Than the claim can be made it can be done.

Should have an asterisk never done live and without leaving to get new lives and potions 30/30/30  

[ruggie]

Screw it do it at 50 50 50... the demons are harder than the templars. Unless you hide in stealth.....