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[Smehur]

Do I understand correctly that you want to make it a competition for the newbs? Or for veterans? Don't think the former would be the best idea. Playing this game for the first X times can be traumatic as it is, even more so in the company of experienced players and/or forum celebrities. Many might be put off if there's an openly competitive aspect added to it.

 

I also agree with Turian and Deerber that there shouldn't be [m]any rules that disqualify any game/gamer/preference/style.

 

Doubt it that you'll find any devs ready to do commit to doing stuff, but even the simplest token of support such as just posting a few words in the appropriate thread would mean a great deal.

 

I'm in, btw.

 

And if you need any help organizing stuff, like keeping scores and what have you, I'll gladly land a hand.

[Catastrophy]

Do I understand correctly that you want to make it a competition for the newbs? Or for veterans? Don't think the former would be the best idea. Playing this game for the first X times can be traumatic as it is, even more so in the company of experienced players and/or forum celebrities. Many might be put off if there's an openly competitive aspect added to it.

 

I also agree with Turian and Deerber that there shouldn't be [m]any rules that disqualify any game/gamer/preference/style.

 

Doubt it that you'll find any devs ready to do commit to doing stuff, but even the simplest token of support such as just posting a few words in the appropriate thread would mean a great deal.

 

I'm in, btw.

 

And if you need any help organizing stuff, like keeping scores and what have you, I'll gladly land a hand.

Yes, if it's starters, they won't have many equipment options, too. Challenges should reflect that. I always liked themed runs - with the vanilla kits it's e.g. still possible to create settings that promote coop. Also running in with super OP gear won't really make new players learn the game - vets should be restricted to silver weapons tops.

 

I'd suggest stuff like:

Vanilla party: vanilla character + vanilla weapons themed run

You take point - I'll follow: themed run around combo priming and detonation across classes

Can't dodge this? - learn the ins and outs of NOT taking hard cover (special challenge: dodge a 3 round prime siege gun volley in the open)

Close and personal: a themed run around shotties and melee

No one gets left behind: All extract - no matter the cost!

[Shinobu]

Do I understand correctly that you want to make it a competition for the newbs? Or for veterans? Don't think the former would be the best idea. Playing this game for the first X times can be traumatic as it is, even more so in the company of experienced players and/or forum celebrities. Many might be put off if there's an openly competitive aspect added to it.

 

I also agree with Turian and Deerber that there shouldn't be [m]any rules that disqualify any game/gamer/preference/style.

 

Doubt it that you'll find any devs ready to do commit to doing stuff, but even the simplest token of support such as just posting a few words in the appropriate thread would mean a great deal.

 

I'm in, btw.

 

And if you need any help organizing stuff, like keeping scores and what have you, I'll gladly land a hand.

 

Originally I thought a competition for veterans would be needed to attract interest, but since all of you lovely people are volunteering out of boredom the goodness of your hearts    it doesn't seem necessary. That suits me fine as I currently don't have any prizes or the interest in keeping score. You're right that competition might add an unpleasant edge when we're really trying to attract newbies and make it fun for them to try something they're already wary of. Maybe people could just play for the acclaim of their peers? I know I'm gonna drop a like and a congratulatory message on a scoreboard where the scores are all very even or the veteran player isn't at the top. Or if they manage to get the 5 or 10Ws medal.

 

It sounds like the consensus is: 1) Operation Outreach (if you guys can come up with a better name I'm open to that except NOT Operation Blueberry Pie) will be the week leading up to N7 day, 2) it will not be competitive, just for fun, 3) people can play any way they want instead of doing prescribed challenges, 4) Deerber has too many friends.

[Ashevajak]

Operation Uh Fire...Cobra...Claw.  That's the name we should go with.

[Shinobu]

Yes, if it's starters, they won't have many equipment options, too. Challenges should reflect that. I always liked themed runs - with the vanilla kits it's e.g. still possible to create settings that promote coop. Also running in with super OP gear won't really make new players learn the game - vets should be restricted to silver weapons tops.

 

I'd suggest stuff like:

Vanilla party: vanilla character + vanilla weapons themed run

You take point - I'll follow: themed run around combo priming and detonation across classes

Can't dodge this? - learn the ins and outs of NOT taking hard cover (special challenge: dodge a 3 round prime siege gun volley in the open)

Close and personal: a themed run around shotties and melee

No one gets left behind: All extract - no matter the cost!

 

You're right that veterans with Talon GI and TGI Carrier will blow the newbies out of the water and maybe cause frustration, but I'm reluctant to proscribe what people can and can't take. Especially if the newbies want a tour of Plat Collectors on Glacier Hazard and the vet winds up having to clutch with a shuriken. (Obviously I'm exaggerating.) Maybe just a gentle reminder to everyone that we don't need to wear our tryhard pants and that it's more educational if we're using the same weapons the new guys have access to? It's also possible we'll attract experienced players who want to up their game and who have a decent manifest, too, so then taking good guns isn't so much of an issue.

 

I like your suggestion for themes instead of challenges  -- that way no one is forced to do something, but the newbies can get ideas of some fun matches to try.

[Shinobu]

Operation Uh Fire...Cobra...Claw.  That's the name we should go with.

 

I love it! All in favor?

[The NightMan Cometh]

Are we still attempting to negotiate with the terrorists? perhaps they will accept a sacrifice...

[Mordokai]

I am not the best of them all. In fact, as far as skill goes, I'd say I'm pretty damn low. That said, as far as PS3 crowd goes, I'm very much willing to lend my help to the newbies.

 

That is, depending when this event takes place. You said something about September 7th onward, which just happens to be a date I won't even be on my own continent for three weeks.

 

Anything before or after that, I'm happy to help as much as I can and/or am able. Which is to say, precious little

[Shinobu]

Are we still attempting to negotiate with the terrorists? perhaps they will accept a sacrifice...

 

I'm the volunteer.

[Shinobu]

I am not the best of them all. In fact, as far as skill goes, I'd say I'm pretty damn low. That said, as far as PS3 crowd goes, I'm very much willing to lend my help to the newbies.

 

That is, depending when this event takes place. You said something about September 7th onward, which just happens to be a date I won't even be on my own continent for three weeks.

 

Anything before or after that, I'm happy to help as much as I can and/or am able. Which is to say, precious little

 

Thank you so much! I'm not 1337 by any means either. But I think this event is more about showing the SP players the friendly and helpful side of the MP crowd rather than showing off how gud we are. I'm planning on playing a lot of Bronze.

 

I think it's going be November 1st to N7 day, so I hope you'll be back on your own continent by then!

[akots1]

Totally approve, would love to participate, Labor Day sounds fine! Ideas about question to developers are superb!

[Slojack]

I don't mind helping on 360. I find I'm mildly terrible now but I can still carry if needed.

I think I may have to get a new controller.

[Shinobu]

Totally approve, would love to participate, Labor Day sounds fine! Ideas about question to developers are superb!

 

Thank you! It looks as though the devs won't be able to support Operation Uh... Fire... Cobra... Claw in any capacity that could be construed as "official" but can come out as private citizens to play some MP with us (WooHoo~!)  After the ME3 ending uh, situation, they might not be allowed to do a Reddit AMA style thing without official sanction. It was suggested to me to Tweet Mike Gamble to ask for support but firstly I'm an old lady who doesn't do "the tweeting" and secondly I'd rather have things a little more fleshed out before publicly asking for favors. (Totally would have PMed him if I could find his address, though.) I did visit his twitter page and apparently he was impressed people are still streaming ME3 MP in July, so I think he'd be open to helping the community as long as we're sincere and aboveboard.

[The NightMan Cometh]

Maybe if say...we traded them a terminator of all things, then maybe they would leave us alone?   to let all of you know..Terminator Genysis was not that bad...it puts Timecop to shame when it comes to time travel....but its a fun dumb robot movie.

[Smehur]

Potential operations that could be done again:

 

Alamo: 5WS medal on Condor

Ballistic: 75 kills weapon medal

Bloodlust: 50 melee medal as a krogan

Broadside: Any extraction on Gold vs Reapers

Exorcist: Any extraction on Gold vs any enemy

Firestorm: 3 killstreaks

Goliath: Extraction vs Reapers on Silver

Lodestar Insanity: Extract against each faction on Platinum

Mastiff: Any Silver extraction with at least 1 Rebellion DLC character

Olympus: Full extraction on London, any difficulty

Overdrive: Full extraction in under 20 minutes, any map/difficulty

Overwatch: Any extraction on any difficulty using at least 1 Earth DLC character

Patriot: Full extraction with 4 nonhuman characters of the same race

Savage: Any extraction on any difficulty using only Krogans, Batarians or Vorcha

Silencer: Full extraction on Gold vs any enemy

 

I'd suggest stuff like:

Vanilla party: vanilla character + vanilla weapons themed run

You take point - I'll follow: themed run around combo priming and detonation across classes

Can't dodge this? - learn the ins and outs of NOT taking hard cover (special challenge: dodge a 3 round prime siege gun volley in the open)

Close and personal: a themed run around shotties and melee

No one gets left behind: All extract - no matter the cost!

 

I may be stating the obvious here, but this could be done the same way as the various challenge threads on this forum. You'd post a thread in the MEA forum, explaining the rules and other things, and maybe update daily with new 'challenges' like all the good stuff listed above and whatever we come up in the meantime for the duration of the operation. The same thread could hold the 'hall of fame' in several reserved posts, or maybe we could ask Prestacious to give us a page in the themed challenges group to keep the HoF separate from submissions/discussion. And if there's enough interest, you can keep it going, perhaps organize a new operation once a month or something. Much of this work, like running the HoF, can be done by someone other than you, as long as you're around to occasionally update the first post; just requires a bit of coordination.

 

As for the issue of veterans being too OP - yeah, it's an issue. Perhaps they can be persuaded to take some of their less-developed alts for the ride instead. Not that it would change much - give a level 1 TSol with a Predator I to TTT and she'll still dominate any group of beginners - but it would help create the impression of equal grounds. It really doesn't take much skill to survive a gold game with a TGI/HarrierX with level IV consumables and the main lesson for the newbs might seem to be 'unlock your manifest'. Which is a valid point, but not really the point.

[Deerber]

I may be stating the obvious here, but this could be done the same way as the various challenge threads on this forum. You'd post a thread in the MEA forum, explaining the rules and other things, and maybe update daily with new 'challenges' like all the good stuff listed above and whatever we come up in the meantime for the duration of the operation. The same thread could hold the 'hall of fame' in several reserved posts, or maybe we could ask Prestacious to give us a page in the themed challenges group to keep the HoF separate from submissions/discussion. And if there's enough interest, you can keep it going, perhaps organize a new operation once a month or something. Much of this work, like running the HoF, can be done by someone other than you, as long as you're around to occasionally update the first post; just requires a bit of coordination.

As for the issue of veterans being too OP - yeah, it's an issue. Perhaps they can be persuaded to take some of their less-developed alts for the ride instead. Not that it would change much - give a level 1 TSol with a Predator I to TTT and she'll still dominate any group of beginners - but it would help create the impression of equal grounds. It really doesn't take much skill to survive a gold game with a TGI/HarrierX with level IV consumables and the main lesson for the newbs might seem to be 'unlock your manifest'. Which is a valid point, but not really the point.

No veteran worth of that name is ever going to use a TGI anyway

[SweatoftheHamster]

No veteran worth of that name is ever going to use a TGI anyway

But I see high-CP TGIs with Harriers and PPRs in half the lobbies I get into...?

[Deerber]

But I see high-CP TGIs with Harriers and PPRs in half the lobbies I get into...?

Keywords being "worth of that name"

[Kenny Bania]

No veteran worth of that name is ever going to use a TGI anyway

 

Erm......

[SweatoftheHamster]

Keywords being "worth of that name"

Surely a veteran is just someone who has done it all, which is why they have high CP. It looks like a lot f them like playing TGI. So what makes someone worthy?

[Deerber]

Surely a veteran is just someone who has done it all, which is why they have high CP. It looks like a lot f them like playing TGI. So what makes someone worthy?

Uhm... Not playing a TGI?

[Smehur]

No veteran worth of that name is ever going to use a TGI anyway

 

True dat.

[Slojack]

No veteran worth of that name is ever going to use a TGI anyway

Does this mean my loss to Stikman in the 'Can you beat me while I ride a stationary bike 1v1', doesn't count because he used s TGI?

[Shinobu]

Uh, I've done TGI waves 6 times. If it helps, I usually use a Phaeston and I pretty much suck with him. Though I've recently tried Saber and !

 

I have to say, I've always been intimidated to try the themed challenges in Prestacious' thread, so I wonder if newbies would feel the same if they thought doing themes is mandatory to participate? I thought about what would entice me to try MP if I were a newbie and I came up with:

 

1) Fun/Intro -- do whatever in a supportive, safe environment

2) New experiences/tourism -- get locked in the reactor, see collectors, find the easter eggs on Vancouver, play as a nonhuman, etc.

3) Upping my game/weapon workshop -- get advice from experienced players on how to play certain weapons/kits, get to play with BSNers, try a higher level of difficulty

4) Themes/challenges -- get that sense of accomplishment

5) Geek out -- discuss lore with other fans

 

So that led me to think about how matchmaking would work, because not everyone will want to host every type of game. (For example, I'm happy to do 1,2, 4 and 5 but I can't carry on Plat and probably shouldn't be telling people how to spec characters. )  Should we each post a little about ourselves so newbies can find a good fit? The template from Marksmad's nonsticky thread works well plus some more personal bits to pique the SP crowd's interest. For Example:

 

 

Platform: PC

Origin ID: Shinobu211

Time zone: GMT -5 (EST)

Mic: Yes

Preferred difficulty: Bronze, Silver, Gold

Game types: Fun, Tourism, Themes, Geekiness

# times played ME1: 3, ME2: 4, ME3: 1

My Shepard is a: Female Paragade Sentinel

Preferred LI: Garrus

About me: I'm an older female gamer who was originally opposed to MP and too intimidated to try it. I was afraid I'd be a liability and my teammates would be hostile. Instead I found a great community of supportive players that helped me get better at this game than I dreamed possible. Now it's my turn to give back. Join me especially if you're hesitant to try MP. I promise a relaxed atmosphere; my lobby is a no judgement zone.

Claim to Fame/Infamy: I once spent several seconds trying vainly to revive my teammate's decoy.

 

What do you think?

[stephenw32768]

I kinda sorta want to join in with this, but I'm not the strongest of players (I am perfectly capable of failing to carry Silver if the other players are struggling) so might be of limited use.  Perhaps I could play with people who would like to play the lower difficulties but have been put off multiplayer for whatever reason; show people that they don't need to be elite to enjoy multiplayer, it can be fun for casual gamers too?