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[Mykel54]

From the codex entry, i gather the scaled ones were dragon cultists of the old god Toth, that went all the way and after consuming so much dragon blood became scaled and stuff. I think the female one was a magister "producted fire from it´s palm and mouth", and as she was the priestess too, it makes sense that they were tevinter.

 

This apparently happened before the blight, so there must be some history we don´t know about how the tevinter cults went all out on dragon blood and sacrifices and became scaled. Perhaps the non crazy magisters were tring to get rid of these scaled cultists.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

So why did they speak in a strange guttural language the dwarves didn't understand?

[TeffexPope]

If we think about it logically, there are many different tongues in Thedas. It's not surprising that ancient dwarves would hear ancient tevinters speak and hear gibberish. But, of course, in-game there's never issues like that, so I don't know what to think.

[Killroy]

I would bet that these Scaled Ones are connected to the Elves AND Kossith.

[Beomer]

If we think about it logically, there are many different tongues in Thedas. It's not surprising that ancient dwarves would hear ancient tevinters speak and hear gibberish. But, of course, in-game there's never issues like that, so I don't know what to think.

If I were a die hard fan I would sneer at the simplicity with which this question can be answered and how logical the explanation is. It is DA after all!

The people of Thedas use Babel Fish.

[Killroy]

What if these Scaled Ones and the Kossith are descendants of ancient Elven Reavers? The ancient Elves obviously got up to some crazy stuff and their magic was very different from what Theodosians practice "today." It could be that 2 warring dragon-cults used different magics to change themselves, to be more like the dragons they worshipped and consumed. One cult ended up looking more like upright Komodo dragons and the other ended up like huge horned men. And if both of these cults were adept at ancient magics and violent it would explain why the Qunari strive for order and control over magic and are trying to get away from the Kossith.

[guardian of hades]

What if these Scaled Ones and the Kossith are descendants of ancient Elven Reavers? The ancient Elves obviously got up to some crazy stuff and their magic was very different from what Theodosians practice "today." It could be that 2 warring dragon-cults used different magics to change themselves, to be more like the dragons they worshipped and consumed. One cult ended up looking more like upright Komodo dragons and the other ended up like huge horned men. And if both of these cults were adept at ancient magics and violent it would explain why the Qunari strive for order and control over magic and are trying to get away from the Kossith.

This is in line with my theory as well.  Although I don't think they were warring dragon cults but rather a cult that that was split in 2 because one group may have simply stopped with the dragon worship (due to some unforseen event).  However due to the amount of dragon blood drank throughout the generations, their bodies had mutated to horned men/women and those that stayed on maintained their scales.

 

• If you bring Iron Bull to the final fight with Corypheus or a Qunari Quizzy, he claims that their race was a mistake
• Cassandra talks about the scales when people had too much dragon blood - growing scales and dragon like features
• Quanri supposedly have dragon blood
• The Scaled Ones having a rite of passage that is the same as the Qunari (likely originated due to dragon worship)
• When you ask Iron Bull about the Kossith when he first joins the party, he says that they're of the same race but they (Qunari) had to get away from them and shudders.  Maybe he knew something and it was brainwashed out of him?  He seemed to have a weird reaction to that topic for a race he knew little about and was not talked about amongst the Qunari

As for the dwarves we really don't know how much if at all interaction they had with the surface.  The story hints that they seem to be far seperated so the foreign tongue that they heard may have been ancient Elvish/Tevinter or any other group

[NWN-Ming-Ming]

You know in a forested, exposed area, even the most durable paint would have faded or even completely disappeared within a lifetime much less if it had been painted the last time Scaled Ones were sighted. Someone....or something must have painted that really recently. 

Jaws of Hakkon has a Codex entry that actually addresses this and how it plays havoc on historians and scholars.  I loved the implications...

 

Pasting here from the Wiki.
 

Many explorers in ancient ruins report finding homes, furniture, or even tools that look a few years old at most. Before the more learned study of spirits and the Fade made available by the Circles, scholars often assumed that such structures must be new contamination of an older site, leading to much misinformation and misunderstanding regarding the movement of various peoples in ancient Tevinter and even earlier.

Our brothers and sisters in the Circle of Magi have given us a more likely answer. In areas where the Veil is thin, spirits engrossed by a particular even may endeavor to preserve the "feeling" of the area by preserving, in their own imperfect way, some or all of the area itself. The hut of a legendary apostate may appear to have been abandoned for a few decades, with crumbling walls and dust, when it is in fact from a previous age or even older. Spirits scratching at the edges of the Veil have scared away the vermin that would have chewed through the beams and the plants whose snaking tendrils would have reclaimed the stones for the forest.

It is the recommendation of the committee that all university-sanctioned historical expeditions include a mage for consultation upon such matters. Only in this way can we avoid the embarrassing missteps of our forebears and bring Orlais the true knowledge it deserves.

—A letter from the University of Orlais Historical Committee to Empress Celene asking for support (request tabled after the start of the mage rebellion)

 

[TeffexPope]

If I were a die hard fan I would sneer at the simplicity with which this question can be answered and how logical the explanation is. It is DA after all!

The people of Thedas use Babel Fish.

In that case, the answer to the OP's question in that "hygiene in Thedas" thread is...everybody smells like fish. 

[VorexRyder]

This is in line with my theory as well.  Although I don't think they were warring dragon cults but rather a cult that that was split in 2 because one group may have simply stopped with the dragon worship (due to some unforseen event).  However due to the amount of dragon blood drank throughout the generations, their bodies had mutated to horned men/women and those that stayed on maintained their scales.

 

• If you bring Iron Bull to the final fight with Corypheus or a Qunari Quizzy, he claims that their race was a mistake
• Cassandra talks about the scales when people had too much dragon blood - growing scales and dragon like features
• Quanri supposedly have dragon blood
• The Scaled Ones having a rite of passage that is the same as the Qunari (likely originated due to dragon worship)
• When you ask Iron Bull about the Kossith when he first joins the party, he says that they're of the same race but they (Qunari) had to get away from them and shudders.  Maybe he knew something and it was brainwashed out of him?  He seemed to have a weird reaction to that topic for a race he knew little about and was not talked about amongst the Qunari

As for the dwarves we really don't know how much if at all interaction they had with the surface.  The story hints that they seem to be far seperated so the foreign tongue that they heard may have been ancient Elvish/Tevinter or any other group

*Dark Ritual!Kieran mentions that your blood is not your own as a Qunari, they could be a failed Super Soldier Program similar to the Mabari super dog(made by the Vints), based on Ghilan'nain's  LEGO Genetics magic(Halla, Cetus, Giant, I think Griffin was also hinted at(cat+bird anyone?)) or they crossbred with Scaled Ones.

 

*From Par Vollen Codex:

The pyramids and other ruins of Par Vollen's ancient civilization also feature murals of the natives interacting in a subservient manner with horned beings who are not Qunari. It is believed that the Qunari conquered Par Vollen so easily because the natives associated the Qunari with the horned beings they venerated, and therefore most natives chose to submit to the invaders' rule.

 

According to the Iron Bull, there are dwarven ruins on Par Vollen of similar age and architecture to Kal Repartha

 

*Krogan expy? NWN reference? Dragons used to be sapient and they were their Kobold-like servants? Weather got colder and the Fade also changed to reflect that, forcing the Scaled Ones to move underground in order to survive. Maybe also a Taung-Mandalorian relationship with The Kossith?

[thats1evildude]

There are no lizardmen living in the Deep Roads. The Scaled Ones were krogan.

[PeNZ]

Has anyone noticed how the scaled ones look an awful lot like the shades? In one of the codex it says that the scaled ones wore fine armor and the priest wore robes... the shades wear armor and wear robes... and match the silhouette depicted by the scaled ones

[Almostfaceman]

There are no lizardmen living in the Deep Roads. The Scaled Ones were krogan.

 

[Aulis Vaara]

Has anyone noticed how the scaled ones look an awful lot like the shades? In one of the codex it says that the scaled ones wore fine armor and the priest wore robes... the shades wear armor and wear robes... and match the silhouette depicted by the scaled ones

I am horribly embarrassed that I have not thought of this before.

That opens up the possibility that this story now represents first contact between dwarves and humans. That would actually be far more interesting than a potential new race or origin of the qunari.

[Heimdall]

I still think these scaled ones are actually the Kosssith, the result of Tevinter dragon blood experimentation, and anscestors of the qunari, who look less scaly thanks to selective breeding.

[Dancing_Dolphin]

Has anyone noticed how the scaled ones look an awful lot like the shades? In one of the codex it says that the scaled ones wore fine armor and the priest wore robes... the shades wear armor and wear robes... and match the silhouette depicted by the scaled ones

Yeah, I remember someone brought up the similarity.

I just noticed that lizard creature has paws for feet.

http://vignette2.wik...=20100322235543.
I guess they're krogan feet.

[PeNZ]

The similarities

[kimgoold]

I'm hoping for the Fex and the Kossith to be explained and in the DA4 game or DLC's. If the Kossith are a proto-qunari race that are biologically enhanced or changed by the Elvhen to combat the dwarves, it just opens up so many new storyline possibilities; which I am all for! more stories mean all the more reason for future DA expansions and DLC.  

 

Much of the paintings in the EGraves the elven warriors depicted seem much larger and more muscular than other modern elves, did the Elvhen create the modern Qunari thru breeding Kossith (reptiles) with larger physically powerful ancient elven warriors, did they mix in some dragons blood?

[Aulis Vaara]

Why would the ancient elves need to breed qunari when they could make bodies from the earth? And why would they even need to? The dwarves were witless to them, and all the elves had magic. On top of that, the shape of the divine was forbidden to lower elves, so I don't think experimenting with dragon blood would be appreciated by Mythal. And given what Corypheus says about them (that they are a mistake, not a race) seems to me like they were more likely to be a Tevinter creation.

That said, given that Tevinter is dragon central, I'm pretty sure we're going to find out a ton about dragon and consequently about qunari in the next game.

[Daerog]

Cory calling the qunari a mistake was interesting. Maybe qunari originate from the area humans did?

Due to how the scaled ones worked blood rituals and were shocked when one of theirs died, they seem to be their own unique group, very different from the cultures we've seen.

The only other tunnelling species with any kind of connection to rituals (or magic) besides dwarves and darkspawn are ghasts. Ghasts and the scaled ones don't seem to have a connection to the Titans or blight; maybe they have a similar place of origin? It's a stretch...

[Fredward]

Ooooooh. Yip, probably the Kossith. I kinda want them to be aquatic, watching Thedas from beneath the waves.

[thats1evildude]

I'm hoping for the Fex

THERE ARE NO FEX. >_<

[Jedi Master of Orion]

THERE ARE NO FEX. >_<

 

Is this going to become a thing we just keep doing now?

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I think it would be neat to have more races in the DA world. I hope the possible lizard race comes about and that the Kossith and Fex also come around for at least three new ones. It doesn't have to be DA4, but they could keep dropping hints about others. There's not much actual variance in the races so far. Elves and humans are practically the same, dwarves are just shorter versions. Qunari are the only really "different" race there is so far. What I hope they don't do, though, is reveal the Kossith to be the lizard people and then have the Fex be cats or some other animal in bipedal form. More races, yes, but don't just be Elder Scrolls. I hope the new races will be fairly unique and not just retread familiar ground for the genre. 

[thats1evildude]

Is this going to become a thing we just keep doing now?

There may have been a plan at one point to have some kind of remnant civilization on Par Vollen, but now we're three games and two lore books in. The ONLY mention of the Fex has been a fake answer in a madman's trivia game.