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[Drasca]

I tried out a usb xbox 360 controller to play DAMP today.

 

It was horrible. Console peasants, how do you even survive with these controls? Oh that's right, most of you don't. Outside of having lots of promotes, or playing cautiously, most of you are dead.

 

Movement:

No strafing. It is technically possible, but not really, because it is super hard to juke left and right while still maintaining a forward motion. You can hard strafe left and right, tapping these directional buttons on PC. You cannot move forward and tap left or right at the same time quickly with the joystick.

 

Sprinting via holding down joystick AND no autorun? Eww. We just tap shift, or get an macro to guarantee running on PC.

 

Camera control and targetting:

It was absolutely sluggish and guesswork at best. I could snap the camera to anything, but there's a delay before moving, and the control's super imprecise. If this was an RTS it'd be impossible to manage. If I'm trying to zoom around, I can't move and attack at the same time because these controls are so ****** shaky.

 

I couldn't quickly and precisely or hard target anything either. How the **** am I supposed to find a despair demon to hidden blades in the middle of a pack of rage demons? Why can't I snap to a target before it runs the **** out of the zoom

 

Speaking of Zoom, it is too damned close to the character. I'm zoomed all the way out on the PC so I can actually see the battlefield. Why the heck is it so close to the player with a controller plugged in? I can't see past my own nose, and maybe my character's boots.

 

So, can't see, can't move fast, can't target enemies precisely. WTF is wrong with the controller?

 

Other Controls

Potions: I seriously have to hit two buttons to get the potions, holding down one to access the other? That's a major delay when I need rock armor asap.

 

Can't change / configure any of these bloody controls! I don't want A for jump and do everything. I want to use it for an active ability. I can rebind keys on a keyboard, why can't I do it on a controller?

 

Final Words:

Initially, I thought using a controller might be more inuitive and responsive than KB&M. I was dead wrong. This is crap on all fronts.

 

The only benefit is that it is a lot less stress on the joints, and it is way easier to lean back playing this game.  .  . Medallian if you're reading, I totally understand why playing lazy is the way to go on a controller setup. The controller makes it too damned hard to make precise movements. I'd have to make a completely different set of builds because the input device is so different  (useless).

[Proto]

Works fine. I would usually throw an L2P issue in just for you. But I appreciate the fact that you've been quite pleasant the last few weeks.

 

Just takes getting used to. I'm sure I'd hate the mouse and keyboard play-style. It's not what I'm accustomed to.

[Ghost Of N7_SP3CTR3]

Since buying my 360 controller 2 months into the game,I'll never use a keyboard and mouse again on pc for DAMP.It just takes some getting used to.

[Serza]

Uh, I tried GTA V on the 360 controller less than a month ago.

 

The controlls are an ABOMINATION. WHere I'd quickly snap on target with the mouse, I'd be happy to finally hit the target within a single magazine.

 

Looking in one direction and running in the other was nigh-impossible. I have no trouble doing that with the KB/M combo.

 

I have not had the opporunity to play DAI on a controller yet, but when that comes, I'm fairly sure I'd just roll my eyes at how horrible the entire controller thing is.

Face it. I tried it. I still think controllers are inferior in EVERY way imaginable.

[ErySakasegawa]

After 7 years of playing Final Fantasy 11 I bought a PS3 (I owned a PS1/2 also, though not frequently used). Controls felt weird at first. You get accustomed to it. Today I prefer playing the console version over the computer version of the game. That said, controls isn't the only reason for that. Yet, I still can't play MMO's without a computer. Keyboard/Mouse/Tabbing into OS is a must have for me. 

[Snakebite]

Camera control and targetting:

It was absolutely sluggish and guesswork at best. I could snap the camera to anything, but there's a delay before moving, and the control's super imprecise. If this was an RTS it'd be impossible to manage. If I'm trying to zoom around, I can't move and attack at the same time because these controls are so ****** shaky.

 

I couldn't quickly and precisely or hard target anything either. How the **** am I supposed to find a despair demon to hidden blades in the middle of a pack of rage demons? Why can't I snap to a target before it runs the **** out of the zoom

 

And yet somehow Cool Beats is sooooooo much easier to use with a controller... 

[Drasca]

And yet somehow Cool Beats is sooooooo much easier to use with a controller... 

 

But do you even CB now that you have Hakkon's staff and PC ring? Nope.

[MizFredderson]

I use mouse/keyboard and controller on PC - depending on my mood. 

 

Trust me, once you learn the controller, the above issues become resolved. 

 

Come to think of it, there was one downfall for playing with the controller for me...  I did have to mod my game style by constructing a "thumb-glove" because my little bitty hand was getting abused by the joystick. My owie has been remedied, all is well.
 

[ParthianShotX]

I'm not dead yet.  I feel fine.  I think I'll go for a walk.

[Drasca]

Get used to = accept the fact that the controller is imprecise and play lazy and less effectively.

[ParthianShotX]

I'm ambitious all day.  I want to be lazy and relaxed when I get home and play.  Feel free to judge me for it.  

[Snakebite]

But do you even CB now that you have Hakkon's staff and PC ring? Nope.

 

Not the point.  The point is, you claimed that it must be so much easier to target things like that with a controller over KB&M.  Now you claim it is difficult to target anything with a controller.  This is clearly just you not being used to using a controller.

[Drasca]

Not the point.  The point is, you claimed that it must be so much easier to target things like that with a controller over KB&M.  Now you claim it is difficult to target anything with a controller.  This is clearly just you not being used to using a controller.

 

I said its incredibly difficult to precisely target anything on controller. You just spam CB without regard of who it targets. That's the entire strategy of CB, run away and CB everything because it is spammable.

 

I don't see you sniping things with Hidden blades quickly. If you want to link one of your 'let's play' assassin videos, that's great, or you could actually teach how to play (which I actually do a lot) . Accusing L2P is useless without explanation on how to actually play.

[Proto]

But do you even CB now that you have Hakkon's staff and PC ring? Nope.

 

 

Not the point.  The point is, you claimed that it must be so much easier to target things like that with a controller over KB&M.  Now you claim it is difficult to target anything with a controller.  This is clearly just you not being used to using a controller.

 

C'mon now. Play nice you two.

[Drasca]

I'm ambitious all day.  I want to be lazy and relaxed when I get home and play.  Feel free to judge me for it.  

 

Where's the beer and snacks, and what kind do you have?

[Proto]

I don't see you sniping things with Hidden blades quickly. If you want to link one of your 'let's play' assassin videos, that's great, or you could actually teach how to play (which I actually do a lot) . Accusing L2P is useless without explanation on how to actually play.

 

It really is about practice and just getting used to how the targeting will occur. Positioning the camera angle is all that's involved. Its not going to be quite as efficient as actually clicking on your target but after a while you do this automatically.

 

I think the learning curve is probably tougher for those who have had the luxury of PC controls (easy clicks) 

 

I will also add that choosing which ability to have on Right Bumper is extremely important. Whenever I watch twitch streams where people have Charging Bull/Dragon Rage/Bolt ect on anything other than right bumper I wonder how they manage. Have to be able to use both thumbs to move camera angle while using certain abilities.

[Roc]

It will take time for it to become intuitive and while it does have some limitations config wise over kB it is a more laid back way to play. At the end of the day if it was that crap nobody would bother but they choose to which speaks for itself.

[BraveLToaster]

I said its incredibly difficult to precisely target anything on controller. You just spam CB without regard of who it targets. That's the entire strategy of CB, run away and CB everything because it is spammable.

Harder to target, but hardly incredibly difficult.  You're making a judgement based on trying a controller on game for one day, what's more, on a game that you've already developed associations and habits for.

 

After 7 years of playing Final Fantasy 11 I bought a PS3 (I owned a PS1/2 also, though not frequently used). Controls felt weird at first. You get accustomed to it. Today I prefer playing the console version over the computer version of the game. That said, controls isn't the only reason for that. Yet, I still can't play MMO's without a computer. Keyboard/Mouse/Tabbing into OS is a must have for me. 

I played XI on my PS2 for a while in the earlier days of the game, but I couldn't imagine playing without a usb keyboard to go along with the controller.  It required way more inputs than DAMP, even ignoring the need for communication.  I had like 40 macros I needed for that game.

[Pork]

I said its incredibly difficult to precisely target anything on controller. 

 

Yes, because this game which has auto lock on and auto aim really requires precise aiming doesn't it? 

 

Huge L2P issue on your part. Using a controller is very very easy.

[Freedheart]

I came late to the gaming world, and when I started it was on a 360.  I am completely lost playing KB&M - I can't even figure out how to walk, ffs...so yeah, I use a controller.  I won't blame that for my sucking, though...that is completely user-related  lol

[Beerfish]

Just shows....much like in ME3MP that console players are superior due to having to put up with sluggish controls as opposed to the easy running, head shotting, cancelling of the pcers.

 

As a scrubby console player I do nothing but think 'I would be twice as good if I was on the pc.  I now feel warm and fuzzy and that last death was not my fault at all.'

[Snakebite]

I said its incredibly difficult to precisely target anything on controller. You just spam CB without regard of who it targets. That's the entire strategy of CB, run away and CB everything because it is spammable.

 

I don't see you sniping things with Hidden blades quickly. If you want to link one of your 'let's play' assassin videos, great.

 

When using Cool Beats you have to try to target as many different enemies as possible.  It would be terrible to spam it without regard to what you hit, because chances are you would keep hitting the same target over and over.

 

And lets not forget...

 

 I totally understand why playing lazy is the way to go on a controller setup. The controller makes it too damned hard to make precise movements. I'd have to make a completely different set of builds because the input device is so different  (useless).

 

What seems like the lazier thing to do?  Running up to something and pressing one button over and over, or precisely targeting each target individually.

 

The fact remains, you were bested by someone who was:

1. Using a controller
2. Had fewer promotes than you

Console peasants, how do you even survive with these controls? Oh that's right, most of you don't. Outside of having lots of promotes, or playing cautiously, most of you are dead.

 

So... either using a controller isn't even close to as bad as you make it out, or your gameplay isn't up to snuff.

[Beerfish]

I'm ambitious all day.  I want to be lazy and relaxed when I get home and play.  Feel free to judge me for it.  

Hmphhh, I am the same except that I am lazy and relaxed all day as well, not that hard and inconvenient.......'ambitious' bit.

[SCHBLRTZ]

I played the first two Dragon Age games with a keyboard and mouse. When I first fired up the Inquisition I was shocked at how bad the keyboard and mouse functioned... I honestly don't know how people deal with it. After the shock I switched to the Xbox 360 controller and never looked back, it's obvious that the game was designed to work with a controller. Honestly I would have probably demanded a refund if controllers were not supported.

 

I can't really recall any other game in recent history that had worse controls and I played the first Dark Souls on the pc.

[ErySakasegawa]

I think the following Diskussion fits the topic very well:

 

http://tay.kinja.com...ller-1619460568

 

I belong to the batch of "48% of Kotaku readers are willing to use both as needed/preferred." Mostly switch to keyboard/mouse for MMO's. Don't like to play RTS. Also, there's a wireless keyboard connected to my PS (connected to 3 or 4, depending on the game I currently play). Typing stuff with the PS controller/interface is horrible.