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[Proto]

My #1 grip with controllers is AoE targetting, Barrier being the biggest culprit.  Stand near the group - start to cast Barrier - move just slightly to catch everyone and activate.  Works great unless you're doing this in a tense situation and fire off a barrier that auto-targetted for some ungodly reason on an enemy across the battlefield...

 

That being said, like already mentioned, I also could not stand the kb&m controls when first playing this game - whereas controller felt much more natural to me.  That, less joint strain, and occasionally losing track of where the cursor is... I've stuck with controller and would not call either input method useless.

 

Don't forget jumping in place.

[Robbiesan]

Don't forget jumping in place.

 

That, and how Charging Bull sometimes does not stop unless you jump.

[Robbiesan]

I only went to PC from console because Witcher 3 wasn't coming out on 360, and it was cheaper to buy a graphics card then an XBox One.  Which was a good plan in theory, but I miss my comfy chair - and then my 'puter got stolen in June so I ended up buying a new one, which cost WAY more that the XBox would've.  But then they would've stolen that too...unlike my 360 which they left behind lol

 

#firstworldproblems

 

That really sucks hon.  Really does.  Go buy a XB1 soon, but wait for the new model with 1TB HD and elite controller (probably gonna get one myself).  Slap an Xbox360 label on it so if you get robbed again you'll be safe.

[llandwynwyn]

I tried kb+m for one minute with DAI and plugged my controller.

[GreySpectre]

huge list

 

I want to add to this that, although I've paid a lot more for my X360 library, my steam library is 7 times as big. So I think I've invested maybe the same amount of money including the hardware.

 

OT: The game is clearly made to be used with controller since the KB/M are horrendous. Still, I got used to them since I didn't want to play SP with hardsaving all the time. No reason to slam console users without reason, especially since they have no choice in the matter.

[ErySakasegawa]

@Pork, what a stupid List and incorrect List. Many games that I recognize for the PS4 system are on the PC List, while at least the PS4 List stands not correct. Idk about Xbox and Wii but some may know. List must have been made by a PC fanboy.

 

Also, I did mention good games. None game on that list strikes me as a huge quality game. I can't remember any recent quality game for the PC. Again, the quality games are mostly developed on consoles. See the following link:

 

http://www.gameranki...com/browse.html

 

I'm not a PS4 fanboy, I regularly play on PC MMO's and was a long time PC only player for years. Btw...Red Dead Redemption wasn't released on PC...only Xbox and PS. You may not like consoles but that's currently where most of your quality games come from. 

 

But I don't want to start a platform war here xD That image you posted, was just plain incorrect. I have no problem people liking PC over consoles. After all there's Steam, which offers a great software library and other perks consoles gamers don't have.

[Pork]

@Pork, what a stupid List and incorrect List. Many games that I recognize for the PS4 system are on the PC List, while at least the PS4 List stands not correct. 

 

Name 3. Also, lol at 'no quality games'. Go look up Star Citizen. Then report back on how wrong you are about that list having no quality games. 

[ErySakasegawa]

Road not Taken, Contrast, Murdered Soul Suspect. Didn't search for more. Image is just plain wrong!

 

I didn't say 'no quality game'. I said ''none strikes me as a quality game'' and ''mostly developed''. Star Citizen is not released yet, nothing to look up.

[Gya]

Name 3. Also, lol at 'no quality games'. Go look up Star Citizen. Then report back on how wrong you are about that list having no quality games.

Also, Divinity: Original Sin. It was awesome.

OT: I was raging about kb+m controls for a while, but then I got used to them. I haven't owned a console since the Wii, as most of my gaming is on PC, so I would take aaaages to get used to a controller. But I have seen several very competent players using a controller, no idea how they do it. Kudos.

[Minuos]

You may not like consoles but that's currently where most of your quality games bad ports come from. 

 

PC really owes console gaming nothing for games developed primarily for consoles. There are normally limitations and performance issues. I bought a PS4 for Bloodborne (dem loading times), and browsing the store was a total letdown. Still don't own another game for it. I don't care what people play their games on, for the record, but forcing console standards and conventions on PC users is annoying.

[Pork]

Star Citizen is not released yet, nothing to look up.

 

https://www.youtube....RobertsSpaceInd

 

I did actually go through that list, there is a few on there which are multiplatform, but the vast majority are PC exclusive. There is entire genres like RTS which you will never be able to play on a console. 

 

You also say that bad ports are somehow a pro console thing? Because consoles have such terrible hardware, the PC users suffer for it. Its an incredibally annoying reality of the gaming industry. We get worse games because your plebstation contains hardware that was relevant maybe 5 years ago. 

[ErySakasegawa]

I don't like RTS T.T It's my least played category of games. The only one I like is Age of Empires 3/Wonders 2. That's all. Own both. 

 

Minuos said ''bad ports'' xD Which is completely right xD That's not the platforms vault though. Lazy programming. Playing those on console is fine though. 

[Cirvante]

I don't like RTS T.T It's my least played category of games. The only one I like is Age of Empires 3/Wonders 2. That's all. Own both. 

 

Minuos said ''bad ports'' xD Which is completely right xD That's not the platforms vault though. Lazy programming. Playing those on console is fine though. 

 

But it IS the consoles fault. They are inferior hardware compared to the average pc, which is why developers have to optimize their games for them, because they wouldn't be able to run a game optimized for pc. So pc players get badly optimized console ports since our hardware is good enough to still run them decently and developers like their shekels so much.

 

@Pork That list didn't include Mountain Blade. This is unacceptable.

 

[Piffle]

Also, Divinity: Original Sin. It was awesome.

 

They are making an extended version which you get for free if you already own it!

 

And they are going to make Divinity:Original Sin 2!!

 

My computer is so ready for this 

 

[Spectr61]

@Pork, what a stupid List and incorrect List. Many games that I recognize for the PS4 system are on the PC List, while at least the PS4 List stands not correct. Idk about Xbox and Wii but some may know. List must have been made by a PC fanboy.

Also, I did mention good games. None game on that list strikes me as a huge quality game. I can't remember any recent quality game for the PC. Again, the quality games are mostly developed on consoles. See the following link:

http://www.gameranki...com/browse.html

I'm not a PS4 fanboy, I regularly play on PC MMO's and was a long time PC only player for years. Btw...Red Dead Redemption wasn't released on PC...only Xbox and PS. You may not like consoles but that's currently where most of your quality games come from.

But I don't want to start a platform war here xD That image you posted, was just plain incorrect. I have no problem people liking PC over consoles. After all there's Steam, which offers a great software library and other perks consoles gamers don't have.

Ery,

Check out this Forbes link.

http://www.forbes.co...-keep-fighting/

BLUF: PC revenues to surpass console revenue.

[ErySakasegawa]

It's only logical that PC surpasses consoles in sales. Especially since most people buy in bulk when steam offer sales.

 

Still, my main point is quality of games. Not the quantity.

 

Everyone I know in real-life tends to console gaming, when it comes to finding a good game. Everyone has a platform that's their favorite. I tend to play on PC for MMOs and consoles for the rest.

 

Annnnnd that's me ending the platform war xD Reading enough of that on IGN all day.

[Drasca]

Harder to target, but hardly incredibly difficult.  You're making a judgement based on trying a controller on game for one day, what's more, on a game that you've already developed associations and habits for.

 

I played XI on my PS2 for a while in the earlier days of the game, but I couldn't imagine playing without a usb keyboard to go along with the controller.  It required way more inputs than DAMP, even ignoring the need for communication.  I had like 40 macros I needed for that game.

 

Just like you had 40+ macros for XI on KB, and others that never gotten that deep into the input system can't imagine how its like when they only play controller, you don't realize all the incredible things that can be done on KB because you've never experienced them.

 

I've played plenty of controller games before. I would do far worse without KB&M on a lot of kits and builds. Due to factors other than input, I'd still be able to do reasonably well, but it isn't nearly as good, and I'd be restricted to certain builds and playstyles-- just as you would trying to go from KB&M to Controller only on XI. Your skill ceiling is much lower because of the input device limitations. There's still lower hanging fruit available, but it isn't nearly as much.

 

The same is true of Breakjohn with playing fighting games with controller vs fight stick. The change of input device allows much finer control.

 

In my case, it is the reverse direction. Change of input device here makes for much coarser control, and lower skill ceiling. I'd have to adapt a more brute force / lazy gameplay style or accept dying more / playing on lower difficulties.

 

For the record, I played a round of perilous and a few of NM with the controller, was still top score but just barely in some cases.

 

If camera control and targetting was better, (I can't even automatically match targetting of my teammates), the controller would be much more compelling.

 

Note: I've seen how most console players play. They are sloppy, and it makes sense now why given how imprecise the controller is.

[Zorinho20_CRO]

XBOX 360 controller saved me.

I don't know how are K+M controls today,but at release they weren't perfect.

Also I played GTA 5 simultaneously with K+M(shooting) and controller(driving).That works in TW3,too.

Biower, you could learn something from RS and CDPR

[Zantazar]

And yet somehow Cool Beats is sooooooo much easier to use with a controller... 

 

How about power chord, how easy is that to use on a controller?

 

Zan the Man has a Plan

[Silversmurf]

The controller makes it too damned hard to make precise movements. I'd have to make a completely different set of builds because the input device is so different  (useless).

 

Maybe now you will appreciate how much harder us console peasants have to work, and still do it really well

 

I preferred K&M for Planetside 1 on PC many years ago (thats 1....not the bullshyt 2 version knocking around today)

[Drasca]

Maybe now you will appreciate how much harder us console peasants have to work, and still do it really well

 

Most of you die though, AND you're lazyyyyy lol. To be fair, most PC players die too, and they're also lazy (or stupid. . . so very stupid). But seriously, there's just some things that can't be done on controller. The same is true for KB&M, but its completely different things all together (i.e. playing on couch without a wireless keyboard and mouse / special setup vs in-game benefits).

[Pork]

@Cirvante, Mount and Blade II is on there

[Pork]

How about power chord, how easy is that to use on a controller?

Zan the Man has a Plan

No, using the control stick and pressing a single button over and over is very difficult and requires a lot of skill and practice to master.

[Drasca]

Tried Templar. Other thing I noticed:

Attack Cancelling is a lot more work on gamepad Controller and it doesn't work nearly as well when doing Shield Wall Attack Cancel.

 

Shield Wall operates differently between Controller and KB control schemes. Controller is hold to shieldwall, and has a minimum time. KB taps shield wall and its up, and untap can take it down. The shield wall animation itself can be cancelled in addition to the the attack animation on KB, resulting in much much faster attack speed and overall DPS using a sword and SWAC on KB instead of Controller

 

The interface AND the way the game behaves changes completely. Some classes are gimped for advanced users without KB&M.

 

If I were on console, I'd consider a KB&M option.

 

Sprint:
I've since been told by BioMasika that sprint can be activated with a left joystick click, so holding down is not necessary after the intial click if the movement is sustained. It has to be restarted every time though.

 

That is mostly true on host but unless you're off-host. Network desynch issues can make the host forget you are running, interrupting the sprint and requiring reclicking.

 

That said, on PC we have the option for Macros to activate always run in the backround. My xb360 controller specifically is also much harder to press than the Mechanical keyboard I have with much more responsive keys, making my keyboard a much nicer (more tactile responsive) option.

[BIGGLESBY]

The hue is strong in here.