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[Wulfram]

The significant admirals, the ambassadors, the possible councillors, pretty much any human who Shepard might be expected to treat as a superior or an equal have almost all been men.  This bugs me, can we have it be different in ME:A please?  Or if the intent is for this to be a reflection that human society is still sexist in the 22nd century, which would be depressing but plausible, then it would be nice if this was acknowledged in universe.

 

Exceptions I can think of are Spacer Shepard's mother and one of the 3 admirals who get blown up at the start of ME3.  And I gather there was a woman Ambassador in the books?  But that's still pretty minor compared to people such as Udina, Hackett, Anderson and TIM, as well as the more minor but still high ranking figures like President Huerta, Admiral Mikhailovich and Ambassador Osoba

[KaiserShep]

I never really thought about it, but it's true; there really aren't any instances when we meet a high ranking human female character on the level of those people. Too bad spacer Shepard could never meet his/her mother in person (with a bit of DA2 whatever to encode a certain look based on the CC).

[God]

I don't really agree with the idea of doing it for the sake of doing it.

 

It's the military. It's a predominantly male field. It always has been, and it likely always will be. The reason? Not nearly as many women join the military as much as men do. Hence, you're more likely to get high ranking men than you are women.

 

It seems like false egalitarianism and inclusiveness to put so many women at so many levels. It's arbitrary.

[Wulfram]

Udina and TIM aren't in the military.

And honestly there are quite a lot of women at lower ranks in the Alliance military, so it looks odd if they can't reach the top.

[AlanC9]

What percentage would you expect several hundred years from now?

[N7Jamaican]

This doesn't bother me. But one could argue, which they are doing.

[Sartoz]

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How does this suggestion make the game better ?

 

Just wondering.

[FKA_Servo]

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How does this suggestion make the game better ?

 

Just wondering.

 

The extent of that would be entirely dependent on your perspective, I suppose. There's absolutely no chance it would harm the game, though.

[MrFob]

Well, the head of that committee in the beginning of ME3 was a woman (not sure if that counts though, given their utter lack of competence ).

 

Also, Udina's predecessor, Ambassador Goyle, was a woman (and from what we've seen of her, she did a much better job than Udina, even when he wasn't indoctrinated yet).

One could even invoke Kahlee Sanders as Director of Grissom Academy, one of the leading AI experts, not only among humans but in the galaxy and later project lead on the crucible.

On the other side of the law, there are the likes of Helena Blake, a powerful crime lord, leading her own syndicate.

There is also Shepard (potentially) herself after all.

While it is true that the game doesn't show a lot of women in position of power*, I think the ME universe in general gives an impression of pretty well established gender equality among humans. So while I wouldn't mind to see more powerful women in future ME games, I don't think it's an issue worth complaining about at this point.

 

*) I think this is in part because we see quite a few powerful Asari, such as Tevos, Benezia, Aria and Liara as SB. While they are technically aliens, the audience will usually relate them to woman in power when evaluating the cast, I guess.

[shodiswe]

Well, the head of that committee in the beginning of ME3 was a woman (not sure if that counts though, given their utter lack of competence ).
 
Also, Udina's predecessor, Ambassador Goyle, was a woman (and from what we've seen of her, she did a much better job than Udina, even when he wasn't indoctrinated yet).
There is also Shepard (potentially) herself after all.
While it is true that the game doesn't show a lot of women in position of power*, I think the ME universe in general gives an impression of pretty well established gender equality among humans. So while I wouldn't mind to see more powerful women in future ME games, I don't think it's an issue wirth complaining about at this point.
 
*) I think this is in part because we see quite a few powerful Asari, such as Tevos, Benezia, Aria and Liara as SB. While they are technically aliens, the audience will usually relate them to woman in power when evaluating the cast, I guess.

Every reporter in the game hs been female. Reporters Tend to have a lot of Power and influence by making or breakign worldleaders as they investigate them.
Ashley Williams, second human Spectre assuming she survives.

Miss Blake and her criminal gang.

Spacer Shepards mother.

Lots of Asari..(are they disquallified by being monogendered??)

[Cyonan]

Ashley is actually of equal rank to Shep in Mass Effect 3 if she survives Virmire and even becomes a spectre.

 

Plus if you want to be technical, Chakwas probably has the highest authority of anybody on the Normandy given that she's the medical officer.

[God]

Every reporter in the game hs been female. Reporters Tend to have a lot of Power and influence by making or breakign worldleaders as they investigate them.
Ashley Williams, second human Spectre assuming she survives.

 

In Ashley's case, it was more nepotism/croneyism from Udina, and a sympathy bone thrown to humanity after Earth was lost.

 

She really didn't deserve the job. She was just given the job because of her closeness to Shepard.

[Farangbaa]

Human female as primary antagonist.

[God]

Ashley is actually of equal rank to Shep in Mass Effect 3 if she survives Virmire and even becomes a spectre.

 

Plus if you want to be technical, Chakwas probably has the highest authority of anybody on the Normandy given that she's the medical officer.

 

A lot has been said on the actual merits of Ashley having the rank she has, as well as her promotion to Spectre. 

 

A lot of the lore in regards to rank gets neglected or outright discarded: It's more of a showing of BW not knowing how to write a military rather than it actually being the case in the universe. 

 

I'd go so far as to say that 'Commander' for Shepard is a title, not so much a rank.

 

Also, medical officers, no matter how ranking, are ever in a command or authoritative position outside of a medical station. That said, in a medical emergency, a combat medic (a Private for example) has more authority than even a General. I've seen Lieutenants get the crap chewed out of them all the way up the chain of command because they disrespected a medic.

[God]

Human female as primary antagonist.

 

Nah, because if she's hot, I'd probably want to romance her.

[God]

 

Also, Udina's predecessor, Ambassador Goyle, was a woman (and from what we've seen of her, she did a much better job than Udina, even when he wasn't indoctrinated yet).

 

 

Not really. Udina did a pretty damn good job.

 

Then again, I'm one of the few people here who thinks he actually was pretty good.

[Cyonan]

A lot has been said on the actual merits of Ashley having the rank she has, as well as her promotion to Spectre. 

 

A lot of the lore in regards to rank gets neglected or outright discarded: It's more of a showing of BW not knowing how to write a military rather than it actually being the case in the universe. 

 

I'd go so far as to say that 'Commander' for Shepard is a title, not so much a rank.

 

Also, medical officers, no matter how ranking, are ever in a command or authoritative position outside of a medical station. That said, in a medical emergency, a combat medic (a Private for example) has more authority than even a General. I've seen Lieutenants get the crap chewed out of them all the way up the chain of command because they disrespected a medic.

 

The fact still stands that Ashley is a Lieutenant Commander and Spectre, and that Shepard holds the same rank within the Alliance. We were never officially promoted.

 

The Alliance in Mass Effect is a fictional sci-fi military. It's not going to 100% mimic a real world one, so talking about how they do things in real life is kind of irrelevant.

[Farangbaa]

Nah, because if she's hot, I'd probably want to romance her.

But I've never cared for what you think. You should know this

[N7Jamaican]

Technically, Mass Effect did not confirm whether or not Shepard was a male or female.  So if you believe and played ME as FemShep, you could say she is/was the most powerful human female in the galaxy.

 

Ashley also achieved LC and Specter status.  You've had Kahlee Sanders, which if you read the books, and played ME3, she's no joke.  Miranda and her counterpart "Brooks" was formidable foe.

 

Doctor Chakwas, and Doctor Chloe Michele, two prominent doctors.  One of which was once a physician in the lower wards, to head physician of the most prestigious Hospital on the citadel.

 

Doctor Amanda Kenson (from Arrival DLC), made one of the most important discoveries concerning the Mass Relays.

 

Woman in ME aren't some sex objects.  Some are important people, others aren't.  Again, I don't care, but people need both sides for the story.

[Wulfram]

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How does this suggestion make the game better ?
 
Just wondering.

It would allow Bioware to more consistently portray a future where there is equality of opportunity between the sexes, which I believe is their intent for the setting. Or if it is not their intent, then they can follow my other suggestion and include dialogue that reflects the lack of opportunity for women at the very top of human society, which I think would also improve the quality of world building.

It is hardly the most crucial matter, but it doesn't have to cost anything to 'fix', so I thought it worth bringing up.

[God]

The fact still stands that Ashley is a Lieutenant Commander and Spectre, and that Shepard holds the same rank within the Alliance. We were never officially promoted.

 

The Alliance in Mass Effect is a fictional sci-fi military. It's not going to 100% mimic a real world one, so talking about how they do things in real life is kind of irrelevant.

 

And the fact is that it's an unrealistic promotion, even going by their internal rules of how they rank up. If you payed attention to how things were in the game's lore, you'd see this, and the lack of consistency or adherence to continuity. 

 

And seeing as how the game is supposed to be as 'technically' realistic as possible with a hypothetical future (that is based on sci-fi), it actually kind of does matter how things are done in real life. 

 

Of course, BW discarded many of these elements as the series wore on.

[Schmonozov]

I hope to god you're not serious, WHO CARES??

[God]

I hope to god you're not serious, WHO CARES??

 

A lot of people do, going by the reaction on these boards.

 

Sorry we can't be as casual fans as you.

[FKA_Servo]

I hope to god you're not serious, WHO CARES??

 

Apparently you do.

[BabyPuncher]

Or if the intent is for this to be a reflection that human society is still sexist in the 22nd century, which would be depressing but plausible, then it would be nice if this was acknowledged in universe.

 

You really shoot yourself in the foot by saying this sort of thing. Are you sure you know what 'sexism' actually means?

 

Is every single occupation, hobby, and field of interest obligated to have a equal representation of men and women to not be sexist?