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Really, talking about female athleticism, there are quite a few female wrestlers active today that prove that women are capable of acts of extreme physicality. I have no doubt that the likes of Sasha Banks, Charlotte, Becky Lynch, and Beyley could physically dominate the majority of the male population. 

 

I sincerely doubt that. 


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I might agree that there will likely always be an imbalance, but I don't think it will always be as extreme as you make it out to be. I think as sexism and patriarchy continue to fall by the wayside, and as more women continue to provide inspiration, I think we're going to see more and more evening out.

 

That evening-out is only happening because of "progressive" Marxist politics and dumb gender-quotas (though luckily the military does not have such a quota yet, unless I'm mistaken).

And even with the extreme hard push from the "progressives" to get women into male-dominated fields, we're still barely seeing an improvement.

Again, this has nothing to do with sexism or the "patriarchy" (which doesn't really exist, only in the heads of feminists), and everything to do with men and women being different, with different preferences and different life-choices.


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Really, talking about female athleticism, there are quite a few female wrestlers active today that prove that women are capable of acts of extreme physicality. I have no doubt that the likes of Sasha Banks, Charlotte, Becky Lynch, and Beyley could physically dominate the majority of the male population. 

No doubt about that, cause the majority of the male population is also in terrible shape compared to both military and professional athletes.

 

When it comes to people who put in an equal amount of training and workouts as them though, no chance.


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Okay, bottom line. 

 

Setting aside this amusing delusion that patriarchy is a mythical concept without any part in setting the standards for gender roles in our society, or in pressuring and enforcing certain behaviors, and setting aside any debate over whether women want to be in the military enough to appear in leadership positions (a debate I don't necessarily feel like dignifying in itself), the lore we're dealing with isn't exactly subject to this contention.

 

Within the context of the ME lore, we've never encountered any general double standard regarding the general eligibility for the military as applies to gender. The ME world is not our world, it's the world the Devs design. That design is not subject to our current political standards. 


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I sincerely doubt that. 

 

Going by how the Williams sisters got rekt by a middle aged rank 200+ nobody in their physical prime and how professional female sports teams frequently get beaten by high school males, i doubt men have much to worry about with these female wrestlers.


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The opinion of women in MMA is a well-documented egg-on-face. Note: initially they had to fight three shorter rounds, and weren't allowed in the UFC, because reasons. Not at all dissimilar to the idiocy surrounding female pilots. Women can't take the g-forces, because reasons. When in fact the female body is happenstantially more adept at coping with g-forces due to finer blood vessels.

An exception or not, Rousey is a catalyst, and an incredible athlete.

I don't know what next aspect of life will be accessed by women, but I do know the person saying no will be a man, and it will be because reasons.

Lesnar could probably take her, though.

Not if she armbared his pinky.

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No doubt about that, cause the majority of the male population is also in terrible shape compared to both military and professional athletes.

 

When it comes to people who put in an equal amount of training and workouts as them though, no chance.

No. Seriously, most people aren't fat and out of shape. I'm guessing you lot are from the states and are projecting the amount of obese fat people as a standard to what's the norm. Which is BS. Do you folks have any idea how strong people in construction, farming, carpentry or general blue collar work are? My own brother is a carpenter and he's gained far more strength through such work than he did when he worked out.


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A skilled leader would've mastered himself before trying to master others, and thus not have gotten fat.

So only physically fit people make good leaders? History disagrees with you.



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Setting aside this amusing delusion that patriarchy is a mythical concept without any part in setting the standards for gender roles in our society, or in pressuring and enforcing certain behaviors, 

 

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Do you have any proof that the god of the feminist religion exists? 

Your god "Patriarchy" is no more real than any other god and the belief in this "patriarchy" is equally ridiculous as believing 9/11 was an inside job.



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But they would not dominate the majority of the male wrestlers. In fact, they'll probably lose to almost all male wrestlers.

 

Men are and always will be significantly more capable of acts of extreme physicality than women.

Case in point: https://www.lifesite...eaks-her-eye-so

 

I think that's a more debatable point than you present it as. A large part of the imbalance there comes down to weight-class difference. I can agree that most trained heavy weight males are going to beat most women because of the same reasons they're going to beat most men in lighter weight classes. 

 

And I'd say it's more a case that men are capable of different acts of extreme physicality. There are plenty of male wrestlers capable of deadlifting over six hundred pounds, something their female counterparts couldn't dream of, but they aren't capable of a simple handstand. Men may have greater over all strength, but that isn't the same thing as functional strength.

 

We're also talking about extreme cases, here. The average professional wrestler or MMA fighter is in significantly better shape than the average soldier. Even if we agree that a woman can't reach the same absolute limits, that doesn't mean they can't perform everything required of them in military roles. 

 

All of this is moot, at anyrate. We're dealing with a fictional universe where Shepard is the single most physically capable creature in existence, male or female. Whatever your perception of reality is, it doesn't apply to the Mass Effect universe.


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I sincerely doubt that. 

 

I think you overestimate the physical conditioning of the majority of the male population.



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IF IT WORKS FOR THE STORY OR CHARACTER. I'm sick of seeing females being shoved in places. just to please some feminazi or sjw 



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I think you overestimate the physical conditioning of the majority of the male population.

No, I'm not.


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Shepard was high ranking



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No, I'm not.

 

Well, that's a convincing argument. You've won me over. 



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It's very simple. Man are forced into military service women not. Not many people would take one of most dangerous job.


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The Patriarchy™ must be behind why women vastly outnumber men in porn and all those sponsored hoes from instragram that end up being used as porta potties in Dubai. 

 

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I think it's high time we get a gender-quota for porn. It's not fair that the women get all the jobs in porn! In fact it's highly sexist!

And while we're at it, we should also get some gender-quotas for garbage collection and mining. In both those jobs men vastly outnumber the women (in fact I don't think I've ever seen a female garbage collector or female miner) and that's obviously the result of patriarchy! It needs to be changed!


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The opinion of women in MMA is a well-documented egg-on-face. Note: initially they had to fight three shorter rounds, and weren't allowed in the UFC, because reasons. Not at all dissimilar to the idiocy surrounding female pilots. Women can't take the g-forces, because reasons. When in fact the female body is happenstantially more adept at coping with g-forces due to finer blood vessels.

An exception or not, Rousey is a catalyst, and an incredible athlete.

I don't know what next aspect of life will be accessed by women, but I do know the person saying no will be a man, and it will be because reasons.

Not if she armbared his pinky.

Rousey is a freak of nature and a highly specialized athlete in a field of jack-of-all-trade ladies. Her division is lamentably poor. She doesn't face the same level of opposition the men do. 


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So only physically fit people make good leaders? History disagrees with you.

Yeah lets get Freddy Dukes as the next Shepard. 



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Well, that's a convincing argument. You've won me over. 

Gonna repeat my post.

 

No. Seriously, most people aren't fat and out of shape. I'm guessing you lot are from the states and are projecting the amount of obese fat people as a standard to what's the norm. Which is BS. Do you folks have any idea how strong people in construction, farming, carpentry or general blue collar work are? My own brother is a carpenter and he's gained far more strength through such work than he did when he worked out.



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Rousey is a freak of nature and a highly specialized athlete in a field of jack-of-all-trade ladies. Her division is lamentably poor. She doesn't face the same level of opposition the men do. 

 

I'm not ignorant of that fact. I have no doubt that were she to compete in the lower weight classes against men, her undefeated streak wouldn't remain intact.

 

But at the same time, I have no doubt that she would be able to compete at a high level against the men in the lower weight classes.



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So only physically fit people make good leaders? History disagrees with you.

 

Show me.



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Are people really debating who would win between pro wrestlers? You realise it's predetermined? Whoever is booked to win will win. Here's something for those that think women can compete with men athletically though. Dame Kelly Holmes, double Olympic gold medalist for Great Britain at the 2004 Olympic games. 800 meters and 1500 meters respectively. The times she ran to win the Olympic gold medals wouldn't have been fast enough to qualify for the GB mens Olympic team, let alone medal.


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Again, this has nothing to do with sexism or the "patriarchy" (which doesn't really exist, only in the heads of feminists), and everything to do with men and women being different, with different preferences and different life-choices.

 

To take this back to the argument made in the original post:

 

Sexual dimorphism is a thing, true and men and women are definitely different, but I want to go out on a limb and argue that in the Mass Effectiversefuturething there might be technology or mechanical implants (those that Shepard got as well... maybe...) capable of providing the user with enough strength to negate the difference in muscle mass.

 

This might also make women choose the military career more often because I have a feeling a lot of women don't choose it because they know their bodies are not capable of the standard they have to achieve.

 

Just speculation and guessing here, but I think Bioware can get away with a closer to 50/50 ratio of men and women in the military.

 

It probably won't be completely 50/50 of course because no amount of implants or Shia LaBeouf screaming "JUST DO IT!" can counter act hormone balances and their influences on the human brain.

 

Also yes, I did just repeat my earlier point but nobody bothered to argue with it, so shhh.


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Do you have any proof that the god of the feminist religion exists? 

Your god "Patriarchy" is no more real than any other god and the belief in this "patriarchy" is equally ridiculous as believing 9/11 was an inside job.

 

 

Um. Yes? Women didn't begin to gain the right to vote in most countries until the late nineteenth century, and they still do not have the right to vote in some countries today. In most societies, both western and eastern, women have been regarded as the responsibility of their father or their husbands, rather than someone with an equal say in their own welfare.

 

History is the evidence. Patriarchy is a word for a society where men claim the superior role, the one with license to vote or to make independent decisions, and that has occurred in nearly every region of the planet at some point in the past. This is the term used by historians, academics, people with PHDs. This is not a recent, relative term, it's just a means to describe the historical nature of our society's structure. 

 

Therefore, the denial of it is comical. It's obtuse, and a little embarrassing. The effort to paint the term as a description of some mythical boogeyman? Even more so. 


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