My dad said: "If you're barely passing basic physics 101 then obviously you're not going to excel at it. Most girls in my class don't seem to particularly enjoy my classes and don't really show a greater interest in physics.
Not so much a gender quota but more so that college students have to pick a minimum amount of classes and for some reason a lot of girls (but also guys) pick physics even though they don't really care for it.
That's actually something I've had a problem when it comes to collages, and universities. Why take classes that have nothing to do with the field the person is aiming for.
Kinda make it easier for the student to put all their focus on what's really needed. 
That's actually something I've had a problem when it comes to collages, and universities. Why take classes that have nothing to do with the field the person is aiming for.
Kinda make it easier for the student to put all their focus on what's really needed.
College requires you to take classes that isn't related to your field. My college has the major requirement as well as the college requirement where we have to fulfill both in order to graduate. My major requires me to know physics and physical chemistry even though I wouldn't use it for my career. For a lot of cases, it's the weeding classes to make the major more competitive. Other cases, it's to make the students more well round. Part of it is to make the major longer or equal in length with some other majors.
I normally avoid threads like this since they seem like massive bait, but this post reminded me of back in my High School days when I did Computing and Physics and how when we got to a certain stage in my time there, girls just stopped taking the subjects completely.
There wasn't any sinister plan to discourage girls not to take to subjects, on the contrary, it was heavily encouraged. In my school it was compulsory for everyone to take Computing and one science in 3rd and 4th year, with 5th year and 6th year being the only years which you could focus on you wanted, so when we got to 5th year, to the dismay of my teachers, all the girls dropped Physics and Computing like hotcakes and went to focus on other stuff, leaving the classes to become your typical STEM sausagefest.
It was really weird to see, and I didn't understand it until after I talked to some of the girls who had been in my class to get the reason why they all left and they all said they had only done the subjects because they had to and that they never found them interesting, which was true I tbh. But man, having no girls around got old real quick lol
Most of the girls I knew in high school who were adept at math eventually went into some stupid field like "Childhood Development."
Can't say I'm convinced that the gap is entirely cultural.
As appose to males being shoved in places?
It's a well-known and documented fact that female led games get less marketing exposure because they allegedly don't sell well—the quintessential self-fulfilling prophecy if I ever heard it-- despite two of gaming’s biggest icons being female: Samus Aran and Lara Croft. Cliff Bleszinski remarked on Twitter recently that Mirror's Edge 2 looks great, and he hopes to see EA market it properly.
Creators in the AAA space are typically forced to make their games feature male characters, and the female cast is treated very poorly. Elizabeth being excluded from Bioshock Infinite boxart, damsel’d in the promotional material, and The Last of Us developers having to fight tooth and nail to get Ellie on their cover are just a couple easily recognized examples. Naughty Dog also had to fight to get female play testers for The Last of Us.
Dontnod Entertainment had a lot of trouble getting a female lead in Remember Me, and they were forced to remove the kissing scene. Their current title, Life is Strange--brilliant episodic game--which is very not a AAA game, has a female protagonist also.
Ninja Theory's Independent AAA experiment, Hellblade, features a female protagonist. No one forced their hand, unlike the many male characters that were forced into games that originally stared female characters.
Female avatars in Assassin's Creed Unity and FarCry4 multiplayer were deemed expendable by Ubisoft and ditched, despite both series having established playable females in the online space before. A deliberate regression because the permanent removal of playable women in their games was less important than filler fetch-quests. It goes without saying that this would never be the case for male avatars.
In conclusion, learn about the industry you're talking about before you talk about it.
I know all about the bioshock infinite boxart deal. the whole last of us deal. But anyways I agree with you I think there should be more females in games. but I just don't want it to feel forced. I don't want bioware to feel like there needs to be more badass females, and have the character be bland rushed or whatever because they didn't want to write or planed that character in the first place. and not to say males can't be shoved in I was just saying females because of the title
Most of the girls I knew in high school who were adept at math eventually went into some stupid field like "Childhood Development."
Can't say I'm convinced that the gap is entirely cultural.
A lot of the girls I know go into social "science", some of those who go into science field or medical field often choose the ones that are "easier". I asked one of them why, she said she would just marry someone who got a good career, so she would rather enjoy life. I guess sometimes there is a pressure for guys to excel since guys are more expected to be the breadwinner. It's just some of the instances, so it's not always true, but the different interests seem to relate more to society than with gender. stupidity knows no gender. If someone's smart, it's because they're smart or study hard.
Most of the girls I knew in high school who were adept at math eventually went into some stupid field like "Childhood Development."
Can't say I'm convinced that the gap is entirely cultural.
Travel and Tourism was a hot favourite among girls in my school, I have no idea what you do in it, but it sounded amazing from the way the girls talked about it. Nursing was the 2nd most favourite study choice, which was no surprise since that career field is pretty much entirely made up of women lol
Travel and Tourism was a hot favourite among girls in my school, I have no idea what you do in it, but it sounded amazing from the way the girls talked about it. Nursing was the 2nd most favourite study choice, which was no surprise since that career field is pretty much entirely made up of women lol
I could never do nursing. I would rather flip burgers than cleaning up poops.
College requires you to take classes that isn't related to your field. My college has the major requirement as well as the college requirement where we have to fulfill both in order to graduate. My major requires me to know physics and physical chemistry even though I wouldn't use it for my career. For a lot of cases, it's the weeding classes to make the major more competitive. Other cases, it's to make the students more well round. Part of it is to make the major longer or equal in length with some other majors.
Ehhh guess I can see the " Well rounded " part.
Interestingly, you see a difference in girls' performance in STEM subjects at school depending on if they are single-sex or co-ed. I think for a number of girls, not having to compare themselves to men, or compete for their attention, or care as much about whether they come across as 'too masculine' or 'one of the lads', means they do better. Personal hypothesis.
I mean, this isn't a vote in favour of single-sex schooling, from personal experience it was really nasty. Just an interesting aside.
Also: on computing, it's worth noting that originally, computer science was stereotyped as a woman's profession. That has changed dramatically since the 60s since the field has gained prestige.
A lot of the girls I know go into social "science", some of those who go into science field or medical field often choose the ones that are "easier". I asked one of them why, she said she would just marry someone who got a good career, so she would rather enjoy life. I guess sometimes there is a pressure for guys to excel since guys are more expected to be the breadwinner. It's just some of the instances, so it's not always true, but the different interests seem to relate more to society than with gender. stupidity knows no gender. If someone's smart, it's because they're smart or study hard.
Interestingly, you see a difference in girls' performance in STEM subjects at school depending on if they are single-sex or co-ed. I think for a number of girls, not having to compare themselves to men, or compete for their attention, or care as much about whether they come across as 'too masculine' or 'one of the lads', means they do better. Personal hypothesis.
I mean, this isn't a vote in favour of single-sex schooling, from personal experience it was really nasty. Just an interesting aside.
Also: on computing, it's worth noting that originally, computer science was stereotyped as a woman's profession. That has changed dramatically since the 60s since the field has gained prestige.
Funny, I was going to post just that. The percentage of women in CS departments in 1984 was around 36%, now its around 18%.
http://www.npr.org/s...-stopped-coding
I know all about the bioshock infinite boxart deal. the whole last of us deal. But anyways I agree with you I think there should be more females in games. but I just don't want it to feel forced. I don't want bioware to feel like there needs to be more badass females, and have the character be bland rushed or whatever because they didn't want to write or planed that character in the first place. and not to say males can't be shoved in I was just saying females because of the title
Funny, I was going to post just that. The percentage of women in CS departments in 1984 was around 36%, now its around 18%.
As a Biochemistry major, my classes barely have any females in it, but when taking political science or psychology, a large number of them are females, sometimes even outnumber the males. I'm guessing the society's expectation has changed. Males are still being perceived as breadwinners, women themselves buy into the MRS degree, there is less incentive to study if they think there's a safety net. Back in the day, CS is equivalent to secretary and such. With that being said, it's all personal choices, even if society's expectation is a certain way, you don't need to follow it, if you do, then that's ok as well.
Fair enough. But your worry isn't necessary. If any character ever feels rushed or uninspired, it will definitely not be because Bioware felt they had to assign a specific gender to that character. That's not really how that works.
I'm not really explaining myself good enough. I wasn't really saying they had to ashing a gender to a character but make one from scratch.
I'm not really explaining myself good enough. I wasn't really saying they had to ashing a gender to a character but make one from scratch.
As a Biochemistry major, my classes barely have any females in it, but when talking political science or psychology, a large number of them are females, sometimes even outnumber the males. I'm guessing the society's expectation has changed. Males are still being perceived as breadwinners, women themselves buy into the MRS degree, there is less incentive to study if they think there's a safety net. Back in the day, CS is equivalent to secretary and such. With that being said, it's all personal choices, even if society's expectation is a certain way, you don't need to follow it, if you do, then that's ok as well.
I'm all for people doing what they want. Although there is a solid economic argument for reducing the imbalance in fields like Computing Science, as the field is essentially missing out from well qualified people - also diversity in thinking is also beneficial. And yes, before anyone asks the same applies to female dominated fields.
Incidentally, a (male) friend of mine is taking his Psychology Phd, and he would absolutely agree with your experience of pysch. classes (although he's managing to live with it).
In any event, the physical differences between men and women mean relatively little in a sci-fi setting.
We're not throwing spears anymore. We're pulling triggers. So long as female soldiers can carry the gun, pull that trigger, and hit what they're aiming at, they're good enough for the job. That extra strength and and advantage in hand to hand isn't going to mean much against a turian, and it's going to mean even less against a krogan, where in a hand to hand confrontation, the strongest human alive and the weakest human alive have exactly the same chance of winning - not accounting for bad writing. And of course those hand to hand skills are going to mean less than nothing against the asari; that muscle mass isn't going to help you when it's being biotically stripped from your bones.
It's impossible to say whether we'll be at the same disadvantage against the Khet or whoever we're fighting in Andromeda, but the odds aren't on our side.
In any event, the physical differences between men and women mean relatively little in a sci-fi setting.
We're not throwing spears anymore. We're pulling triggers. So long as female soldiers can carry the gun, pull that trigger, and hit what they're aiming at, they're good enough for the job.
Wut? There is more to soldiering than just being able to hold a gun, aim straight and pull the trigger. And even that isn't as easy as it seems:
Wut? There is more to soldiering than being able to hold a gun, aim straight and pull the trigger. And even that isn't as easy as it seems:
Didn't say it was easy. Requires quite a bit of training and practice on the upkeep. But it isn't an aspect of combat that favors one gender over the other.
And while hand to hand combat has it's place, we don't win wars via hand to hand combat anymore and haven't for two hundred years. In another 150 years in the future in the ME universe, it's going to be even less important than it is today. My three year old nephew and my mentally retarded elderly aunt both have exactly the same chance of beating a krogan or a yahg in a fist fight as the strongest human hand to hand combatant has, if we're being completely realistic.
Didn't say it was easy. Requires quite a bit of training and practice on the upkeep. But it isn't an aspect of combat that favors one gender over the other.
And while hand to hand combat has it's place, we don't win wars via hand to hand combat anymore and haven't for two hundred years. In another 150 years in the future in the ME universe, it's going to be even less important than it is today. My three year old nephew and my mentally retarded elderly aunt both have exactly the same chance of beating a krogan or a yahg in a fist fight as the strongest human hand to hand combatant has, if we're being completely realistic.
So why isn't the Alliance recruiting little kids or elderly people then?
Nursing was the 2nd most favourite study choice, which was no surprise since that career field is pretty much entirely made up of women lol
A lot of women end up dropping out of nursing because of math. In that field, men have become more prized because of their physical strength is valuable in patient care. I think men even get paid more in this female-dominated field.
In any event, the physical differences between men and women mean relatively little in a sci-fi setting.
We're not throwing spears anymore. We're pulling triggers. So long as female soldiers can carry the gun, pull that trigger, and hit what they're aiming at, they're good enough for the job. That extra strength and and advantage in hand to hand isn't going to mean much against a turian, and it's going to mean even less against a krogan, where in a hand to hand confrontation, the strongest human alive and the weakest human alive have exactly the same chance of winning - not accounting for bad writing. And of course those hand to hand skills are going to mean less than nothing against the asari; that muscle mass isn't going to help you when it's being biotically stripped from your bones.
It's impossible to say whether we'll be at the same disadvantage against the Khet or whoever we're fighting in Andromeda, but the odds aren't on our side.
Nope, physical strength is as important as ever in warfare, and a i pity the wounded sap that has to be carried away by his "empowered equal", who's there to fulfill some politically driven egalitarian fantasy.
So why isn't the Alliance recruiting little kids or elderly people then?
Because neither my three year old nephew or my elderly aunt can aim a gun or fly a space ship.
My point is that the arguments regarding the physical gaps between human men and women are undercut by the simple fact that the gap between a human male and the other species in the galaxy is even greater.
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