Well these game pretty much allow one to play the most prominent role in the galaxy as a woman...able to direct the most powerful members of varying alien cultures, male or otherwise.
On a sidebar I've often wonder how closely the ratio of males/females in "prominent" roles correlates to the demographics of male/female players.
Ha, the old 'more women there and more women here'. It's never enough, there's always something more, despite the trilogy having a diverse cast of important women spread all around the races, yet, it's not enough. Make a female god, a female ship, a female race (Oops), and whatever else that can be womanized cause representation.
Entertain me.
I'd be completely okay with that. Kill all men.
That is not what I said.
What I said is that the krogan and the geth don't give a hot damn how many push ups a human can do. However much stronger a male soldier is than a female soldier, all the nasty things out there in the galaxy that want to kill us are even stronger than the male.
So it doesn't matter if the female soldier is physically capable of beating the male soldier in hand to hand combat. All that matters is whether or not she's physically capable of dragging the male soldier's unconscious body to safety after he tries hand to hand on an angry krogan.
Military physical requirements are not there for hand to hand combat. A soldier today carries around 80 pounds of equipment, plus he needs to be able to run and move quickly despite that, and still be able to carry extra load, as in your example, another soldier. Say an average soldier is about 180 pounds, that is 260 pounds required from everyone. A lot of average men arent cut out for that. Women more so.
Military physical requirements are not there for hand to hand combat. A soldier today carries around 80 pounds of equipment, plus he needs to be able to run and move quickly despite that, and still be able to carry extra load, as in your example, another soldier. Say an average soldier is about 180 pounds, that is 260 pounds required from everyone. A lot of average men arent cut out for that. Women more so.
Yeah, I can kind of confirm that having spent 6 years in the Army. The really big, buff guys at 200-220 seriously struggled on those long ruck marches while people of lighter and/or smaller stature could fly. Plus, a lot of that comes down to ones personal determination and ability to persevere, and I never observed any difference between men and women on that front.
Military physical requirements are not there for hand to hand combat. A soldier today carries around 80 pounds of equipment, plus he needs to be able to run and move quickly despite that, and still be able to carry extra load, as in your example, another soldier. Say an average soldier is about 180 pounds, that is 260 pounds required from everyone. A lot of average men arent cut out for that. Women more so.
I don't know why we're hung up on soldiers today instead of soldiers 150 years from now, which is actually relevant to the discussion of Mass Effect.
I don't know why we're hung up on soldiers today instead of soldiers 150 years from now, which is actually relevant to the discussion of Mass Effect.
Considering the OP, I'm not sure while we're hung up on "soldiers" at all instead of considering the myriad of other military jobs that exist in which women are perfectly capable of, and which could lead to them becoming an admiral/general.
I don't know why we're hung up on soldiers today instead of soldiers 150 years from now, which is actually relevant to the discussion of Mass Effect.
In that case might I remind you that body armor, full body armor is quite common in the word of ME. Which is probably even more weight.
We get women in military, firefighters and police by lowering standards for physical requirements. Maybe in future they are unwilling to lower them, and instead have the same tests for everyone, leading to less women in military, and with less women in military, there is less to chose from for promotions.
Why does it always have to be patriarchy ?
In that case might I remind you that body armor, full body armor is quite common in the word of ME. Which is probably even more weight.
We get women in military, firefighters and police by lowering standards for physical requirements. Maybe in future they are unwilling to lower them, and instead have the same tests for everyone, leading to less women in military, and with less women in military, there is less to chose from for promotions.
Why does it always have to be patriarchy ?
But we can see there are quite a few women in the military
But we can see there are quite a few women in the military
In ME or RL?
In ME or RL?
Think he means ME. Practically half the soldiers you see in ME 3 are female. And tbh that kinda makes sense with the reaper threat. You have to sacrifice quality then so you have the quantity to fight the Reapers.
In that case might I remind you that body armor, full body armor is quite common in the word of ME. Which is probably even more weight.
We get women in military, firefighters and police by lowering standards for physical requirements. Maybe in future they are unwilling to lower them, and instead have the same tests for everyone, leading to less women in military, and with less women in military, there is less to chose from for promotions.
Why does it always have to be patriarchy ?
Or it could be lot lighter, since materials and techniques used probably are going for effiency, heavy doesn't really mean better. I doubt in ME the standards are so high in terms of being able to carry weight that most of women can't join up, ME has lot of biotics in the army as well that wear light armor and then there is different brances and requirements for them, for example I doubt that Joker had to pass carry your own weight hundred kilometres test ^^;
Think he means ME. Practically half the soldiers you see in ME 3 are female. And tbh that kinda makes sense with the reaper threat. You have to sacrifice quality then so you have the quantity to fight the Reapers.
Even before the reaper invasion, the named characters on the original normandy seem to be about 1/3 female
(taking into account the characters listed as casualties of it's destruction.)
In that case might I remind you that body armor, full body armor is quite common in the word of ME. Which is probably even more weight.
We get women in military, firefighters and police by lowering standards for physical requirements. Maybe in future they are unwilling to lower them, and instead have the same tests for everyone, leading to less women in military, and with less women in military, there is less to chose from for promotions.
Why does it always have to be patriarchy ?
Heavier body armor is actually rather unlikely. Unless genetic engineering and cybernetics are being used to increase strength and stamina. The heavier a soldier's gear the lower their combat readiness after all. Further we're talking about a sci-fi setting which should feature numerous materials that are stronger and lighter than anything we have today.
Now going beyond that. Did you not notice how many suits actually provided a boost to strength? We're already working on combat exoskeletons now.
Now. As Mass Effect is set over a hundred years in the future with a massive technological boost I'd say the armor should be more carrying the soldier than the soldier carrying it. At this point lighter soldiers that require fewer supplies would even be favored over bigger ones like Vega.
After all unless the military is doing some extensive genetic or cybernetic enhancements human muscle isn't going to beat the mechanical with a 100+ year technology boost. Then if they are doing such generous genetic engineering there is no reason to assume a woman couldn't be pumped up to the same level of a male. Having two x chromosomes may even given woman an advantage there given how males are more likely to develop genetic disorders at birth.
Speaking of Strength, remember Shepard died in ME 2 cause he had to go back to fetch Joker. While Joker might be a brilliant pilot, I'm sure there were other pilots too that could fly the Normandy just as well, who wouldn't need Shepard to come fetch him cause of being a cripple.
In ME
Depends on which one we are talking about. They(female soldiers) were not that common in ME1 and ME2
Think he means ME. Practically half the soldiers you see in ME 3 are female. And tbh that kinda makes sense with the reaper threat. You have to sacrifice quality then so you have the quantity to fight the Reapers.
I agree for ME3. But ME3 has a completely different setting, which is the - draft everything that moves, humanity is in existential danger.
Or it could be lot lighter, since materials and techniques used probably are going for effiency, heavy doesn't really mean better. I doubt in ME the standards are so high in terms of being able to carry weight that most of women can't join up, ME has lot of biotics in the army as well that wear light armor and then there is different brances and requirements for them, for example I doubt that Joker had to pass carry your own weight hundred kilometres test ^^;
Joker is not a soldier, he is a pilot. And honestly he is stuck in that position. I dont see him getting promoted to admiralship and also due to his weakness, caused the death of shephard
Biotics are there, but I dont think we met any high ranking biotics in human army. Jack is still a soldier/teacher
Heavier body armor is actually rather unlikely. Unless genetic engineering and cybernetics are being used to increase strength and stamina. The heavier a soldier's gear the lower their combat readiness after all. Further we're talking about a sci-fi setting which should feature numerous materials that are stronger and lighter than anything we have today.
Now going beyond that. Did you not notice how many suits actually provided a boost to strength? We're already working on combat exoskeletons now.
Now. As Mass Effect is set over a hundred years in the future with a massive technological boost I'd say the armor should be more carrying the soldier than the soldier carrying it. At this point lighter soldiers that require fewer supplies would even be favored over bigger ones like Vega.
After all unless the military is doing some extensive genetic or cybernetic enhancements human muscle isn't going to beat the mechanical with a 100+ year technology boost. Then if they are doing such generous genetic engineering there is no reason to assume a woman couldn't be pumped up to the same level of a male. Having two x chromosomes may even given woman an advantage there given how males are more likely to develop genetic disorders at birth.
What we seem to be developing is more along the lines of power armor from Fallout, thank armor in ME.
Can we just stop this discussion?
Yes, there could be a lot more high-ranking human(or turian, etc) females. It sure as hell wouldn't hurt(right?).
Yet, is it necessary? No. Better, perhaps, but most certainly not necessary.
Joker is not a soldier, he is a pilot. And honestly he is stuck in that position. I dont see him getting promoted to admiralship and also due to his weakness, caused the death of shephard
Biotics are there, but I dont think we met any high ranking biotics in human army. Jack is still a soldier/teacher
Joker is Alliance's pilot though? I doubt civil pilots fly military vessels.
Kaidan is highest rank biotic we know, but we do not know if any of Anderson, Hackett or other admirals are in the positions, because they are physically very strong. There is other qualities to look out for sure as well when deciding commanding positions.
There couldn't be many really high ranking biotics, simply because the oldest a human biotic could plausibly be is 35ish. They're the consequence of Eezo exposure while in the womb.
(Though Miranda apparently got engineered to have them despite humanity not seeming to know Biotics existed at the time.)
Was Miranda aged normally or in-vitro/tube aged?
Speaking of Strength, remember Shepard died in ME 2 cause he had to go back to fetch Joker. While Joker might be a brilliant pilot, I'm sure there were other pilots too that could fly the Normandy just as well, who wouldn't need Shepard to come fetch him cause of being a cripple.
Was Miranda aged normally or in-vitro/tube aged?
She was created in 2150, so I assume she aged naturally.
People's IRL hang-ups about IRL military service are besides the point when it comes to ME, because it seems pretty well-established that women serve in combat roles in generally equal proportions to men and are not seen as outliers in terms of their competency. So women being shut out from higher tier leadership positions is a bit of a perplexing result.
So I saw that this thread grew like 10 pages overnight. I had an inkling of what had happened, but I still should have put on a brain condom nonetheless. I didn't, and now I have brain herpes. Thanks everyone.
For anyone who is interested in the actual subject of female combatants in contemporary times, a Russian biographical drama film on Lyudmilla Pavlichenko came out earlier this year called Battle for Sevastopol. For those who don't know, she's the history student turned Soviet soldier who killed (confirmed) 309 Axis soldiers in World War 2, and later is the first Soviet citizen to be recieved by the United States government. It's a bit dramatized, being a film, but I found it quite enjoyable. I'm not sure if there's an international version of the film, though.
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