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[Hanako Ikezawa]

Why are we talking about prostitutes in a thread about having female high ranking military personnel?

[chessplayer209]

For reality the protagonist, having sex with prostitutes in scummy places like Omega, should get an STD that makes their dick fall off, or warts and sores all in and outside of their mouths...with no cures. Consequently, your potential LIs should point at you and go "ewww, don't touch me!".

 

Nah, its a sci-fi universe so Shepard can just go to Dr. Chakwas and she'll talk about how the wonders of some new sci-fi medicine have taken care of those problems.

[chessplayer209]

A poster came in and suggested women's roles be cooks (chefs) or strippers/prostitutes...to convey reality...in an unrealistic universe.

 

And other posters came in here to say they wanted fairness in a video game that is generally made to represent a reality which is unfair.

 

That aside, the fact there are some things you can point to that are unrealistic about the Mass Effect universe doesn't make the universe as a whole unrealistic. There are also many things Bioware has done to make the universe more realistic, not less.

 

Anyway, I'm generally in favor of more realism, not less -- as long as that doesn't get in the way of delivering the story.

[Lady Artifice]

Yes, if you had been paying attention, that was precisely what I was condemning. The ridiculous notion that any sort of independent thought about people or the world was 'ignoring evidence' and therefore stupid.

Thank you for your agreement that equating the two things is indeed stupid. Pity you directed it to the wrong person.

 

I was paying attention. I saw you conflate an unwillingness to consider the results of a study as counter to your own experience with free thinking. It doesn't work. Of course not every study is right, but if you insist that a certain one isn't right just because your own experience would suggest otherwise, that's absolutely making a conscious decision not to educate yourself further. It's intentionally choosing faith in your own opinion over looking at facts. 

[Lady Artifice]

Why are we talking about prostitutes in a thread about having female high ranking military personnel?

 

The internet is bizarre. 

[KaiserShep]

A poster came in and suggested women's roles be cooks (chefs) or strippers/prostitutes...to convey reality...in an unrealistic universe.

 

The chefs one is interesting, since the cooking industry is actually a male-dominated one. 

[N7_Salohcin]

Hahaha, I have no comment about the prostitute issue but I agree with the OP that I would like too see more women hold prominent roles. It would be really cool to see a female admiral or captain (along the lines of Andersen and Hackett) who is at the helm of the mission.

[Battlebloodmage]

The chefs one is interesting, since the cooking industry is actually a male-dominated one. 

I have several friends who are cooks, and they generally agree that a lot of the male chefs often underrestimate women in the kitchen. They see them as "cooks", not "chefs". I would say in general, whenever males and females have to compete in the same field, the women often being underrestimated and often have to prove more. 

[chessplayer209]

Here's a few 

 

Well, I have a CNN article here that indicates around ~7% of the generals/admirals in the US military are women. So... out of 10 admirals/generals in Mass Effect, if we're going to go by the way things are IRL in the US military, less than 1 in 10 of them should be women.

 

That's not zero, but it's close enough to zero that Bioware could easily write a story featuring 3-5 generals/admirals while having all of them be male, and this scenario would be fairly realistic by current military standards in the USA.

 

Source: http://www.cnn.com/2...ance/index.html

 

So if Bioware made a game where there were 3 generals and one of them was a woman like the SJWs want... that would probably seem like they put her there just because she's a woman, because that would be a situation where ~33% of in game generals are women, while in real life only ~7% of generals are women.  So women would be overrepresented in that case by a factor of ~5x!

 

So for there to be 2-3 generals/admirals present in Mass Effect and that they're all males... that's actually a very likely outcome in terms of the gender statistics for the military.

 

Looks like the facts don't match your social justice warrior feminist pipe dream!

[X Equestris]

Well, I have a CNN article here that indicates around ~7% of the generals/admirals in the US military are women. So... out of 10 admirals/generals in Mass Effect, if we're going to go by the way things are IRL in the US military, less than 1 in 10 of them should be women.
 
That's not zero, but it's close enough to zero that Bioware could easily write a story featuring 3-5 generals/admirals while having all of them be male, and this scenario would be fairly realistic by current military standards in the USA.
 
Source: http://www.cnn.com/2...ance/index.html
 
So if Bioware made a game where there were 3 generals and one of them was a woman... that would probably seem like they put her there just because she's a woman, because that would be a situation where ~33% of in game generals are women, while in real life only ~7% of generals are women.  So women would be overrepresented in that case by a factor of ~5x!
 
So for there to be 2-3 generals/admirals present in Mass Effect and that they're all males... that's actually a very likely outcome in terms of the gender statistics for the military.
 
Looks like the facts don't match your social justice warrior feminist pipe dream!

Probability and percentages don't necessarily apply here. You can be in a room with all men or all women. That's not representative of the human population, but it's also a perfectly possible scenario. Is having one woman in a command position really so difficult to handle? Especially when women of flag rank already exist.

[chessplayer209]

Probability and percentages don't necessarily apply here. You can be in a room with all men or all women. That's not representative of the human population, but it's also a perfectly possible scenario. Is having one woman in a command position really so difficult to handle? Especially when women of flag rank already exist.

 

If there's 3 admirals/generals in the game and 1 of them is a woman, yeah -- that would seem like crazy social justice warrior token women added to the game because women in those roles would be overrepresented by ~5x as I mentioned earlier.

 

If anything, it seems like women are already overrepresented in Mass Effect admirals/generals as-is with 1-2 of several of them being women.

 

Looks like what Bioware needs now is more MALE generals and admirals and fewer high ranked women, if it changes gender dynamics at all.

[KaiserShep]

Overrepresentation suggests that we actually see them. You can't overrepresent just from getting some number that is never actually reflected in the story, especially when that number is not exactly grossly disproportionate. 

[Lady Artifice]

Overrepresentation suggests that we actually see them. You can't overrepresent just from getting some number that is never actually reflected in the story, especially when that number is not exactly grossly disproportionate. 

 

Also, the obvious and often reiterated fact real world standards and averages don't apply to Mass Effect lore, because it's a completely different world, different time, and an entirely fictional (plus not U.S.) military. I'm amazed that this is still a discussion. I didn't think I still even could be amazed by these forums, and yet.

[Fixers0]

Also, the obvious and often reiterated fact real world standards and averages don't apply to Mass Effect lore, because it's a completely different world, different time, and an entirely fictional (plus not U.S.) military. I'm amazed that this is still a discussion. I didn't think I still even could be amazed by these forums, and yet.

 

But they are, because the writers whether deliberate or not were based by real-life militaries when they wrote the Systems Alliance navy and the people that serve in it. Just have to face it that Mass Effect is highly influenced by contemporary western society,just as how most of character in Mass Effect are caucasian the vast majority of Generals and high ranking politcians are going to be male.

[SardaukarElite]

So what I've learned from this page is that Starship Troopers is a feminist pipe dream and wanting more women in something can get you locked up in a Social Justice concentration center.

[SnakeCode]

But they are, because the writers whether deliberate or not were based by real-life militaries when they wrote the Systems Alliance navy and the people that serve in it. Just have to face it that Mass Effect is highly influenced by contemporary western society,just as how most of character in Mass Effect are caucasian the vast majority of Generals and high ranking politcians are going to be male.

Actually, among prominent named characters there seems to be a great number of non-white people.

 

Caucasian 

 

Default Shepard

Miranda

Hackett

Joker

Zaeed?

Cpt. Bailey

Illusive Man

Jack

 

 

Non-White

 

Ashley

Kaiden

Anderson

Udina?

Jacob

Kasumi Goto

Steve Cortez

James Vega

Traynor

Kai Leng

[Battlebloodmage]

Actually, among prominent named characters there seems to be a great number of non-white people.

 

Caucasian 

 

Default Shepard

Miranda

Hackett

Joker

Zaeed?

Cpt. Bailey

Illusive Man

Jack

 

 

Non-White

 

Ashley

Kaiden

Anderson

Udina?

Jacob

Kasumi Goto

Steve Cortez

James Vega

Traynor

Kai Leng

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[SnakeCode]

:0

 

You know who the model who's appearance was used for Kaiden is right? He isn't white.

[Kmaru]

Was the asari and their look the reason why there were not enough or quasi none human women with high ranking position. At least in ME3. Cause if we had high ranked human woman + asari + the quarian, itwould have been a bit too much, haven't it ?

Asari were almost everywhere in the game. they are nor male, nor female, but they look like females.

[Ridwan]

Are people now saying prostitutes are unrealistic or something?

[themikefest]

 

Looks like the facts don't match your social justice warrior feminist pipe dream!

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