Yeah.
I am going to be blunt, I don't really care about statistics about combat capable operatives, I just don't want a sausage fest.
Look at Final Floptasy 15, how is this **** acceptable?
Final Fantasy 15 is about a boy band?
Man, I'm glad I dropped that series when I was a teen after X.
Why are women allowed into front line combat in the Alliance military anyway? Was any plausible reason given?
Because they said that getting killed for them is a sexist attitude....they wanted to die too!
Seriously no plausible (in game) reason other than catering to female gamers.
No, actually the probability a general or admiral would happen to be a woman IRL matters significantly because when you go through the game and insert a given characteristic such as "female" throughout the game for the sake of filling diversity or affirmative action quotas in numbers that are much greater than what tends to be observed in reality -- it causes the majority of players who realize how rare it is in the real world to have so many female generals/admirals to come to the realization they were put there for political "diversity" or affirmative action purposes. When this is done repeatedly throughout the game, it detracts from the sense of immersion and realism the game has to offer its players.
Some will argue that many things in the Mass Effect universe are not perfectly realistic. And it's true, sometimes the physics of the universe may not always be perfectly realistic... but there's a difference between sacrificing a miniscule amount of scientific realism (that requires significant scientific knowledge to appreciate anyway) -- for purposes of advancing a story -- and sacrificing more significant amounts of everyday realism (such as realism concerning the # of women admirals in the military) which is only engaged in for political purposes.
Sacrificing technical/scientific realism to advance a story is unfortunate but sometimes necessary. Sacrificing basic/everyday realism for political purposes is both unnecessary and unfortunate. That's the difference.
Bioware should not cater to people who are terrifyingly ignorant of statistics and science. If you think "blue skinned aliens that look like sexy human women" is "sacrificing a minuscule amount of scientific realism", then ... well, I'm not sure how to break this to you, but you're completely wrong. Almost everything related to "science" in Mass Effect is as realistic as you, right now, getting frustrated in reading my post, transforming into the fictional DBZ Super Saiyan.
Beyond that, the bolded part of your post - "in numbers that are much greater than what tends to be observed in reality" - is nonsense. First of all, it's a statement that's so general it doesn't mean anything. Observed in reality where? Because reality isn't a simple random sample of some general population. It's rare for people to have cancer. But it's not impossible to meet - in one room - a majority of people who happen to be cancer survivors. In reality. That doesn't mean reality sometimes has become unrealistic. Second of all, who is doing the observing, and where? Depending on the actual IRL military right now, if the proportion of women in the army reflects American figures, the amount of women would be over (or under) represented. In fact, you mention race. Why should the race proportion reflect the American military and American society? Why not China? You're acting as if it's some inaliable truth that some arbitrary country in the 2015 has set the absolute and eternal standard for population distribution in the army... but why?
If every single moment in every single came somehow was proportionally representative to broad population statistics, the whole game would be so incredibly "unrealistc" that you should be up in arms about it. But, of course, you're not, because your (clearly ignorant) understanding of science and statistics is very likely not the reason behind your objection here. If it is - and if realism matters to you - then it's time for you to start studying. Because you can't cry realism on the one hand, and yet plead ignorance to science and statistics, particularly when your alleged political/social realism relies on, you guessed it, science (and statistics).
If you think that, somehow, women are less fit to serve than men (because of strength or athleticism, or whatever), you've got to two bases for belief, which is an emprical claim: the embarassingly ignorant one where you've read and studied nothing, and are advancing an opinion with no reliable information, or an actual position ground in some science. Now you may well want to be ignorant. That's your business.
But if you want to make a realism claim, and you want it to be taken as something other than a joke, then it might behoove you to actually inform yourself. And once you do that, trying to draw a distinction between the science of Mass Effect and gender disparity on the lines of "only people who know science will care and it's miniscule anyway" (the second being, again, totally ignorant and in fact absurd to say) becomes an evident joke.
Why are women allowed into front line combat in the Alliance military anyway? Was any plausible reason given?
Most stories aren't trying to include the entire world they're set in.
Presumably much the same reasons they're now beginning to be allowed in the US and UK armies?
Because they said that getting killed for them is a sexist attitude....they wanted to die too!
Seriously no plausible (in game) reason other than catering to female gamers.
Really? Front line? I'm unaware of this. I'll look into it.
Combat Arms branches opened up months ago, dude. Even the one with the current most physically demanding listed requirements (lifting if I recall), Field Artillery, was finally opened up last month.
Holy crap! Girls play video games?!
Mind=Blown
Ikr
Combat Arms branches opened up months ago, dude. Even the one with the current most physically demanding listed requirements (lifting if I recall), Field Artillery, was finally opened up last month.
Wasn't there an article recently about two women passing the (apparently very prestigous) American Army Rangers training course or school?
Ah, yes, here. Interesting is the army's position on the issue:
The chiefs of the military services have until October 1 to say which combat posts should remain closed to female service-members, Defense Secretary Ash Carter told reporters at the Pentagon Thursday. He is requiring documentation to justify any exclusion.
"The Department's policy is that all ground combat positions will be open to women unless rigorous analysis of factual data shows that the positions must remain closed," Carter said.
The decision is very important to Griest, as she told reporters at Fort Benning Thursday, she's interested in joining the Army's special forces.
"Each and every soldier that’s out there should have the opportunity to come and attend Ranger school," said Col. David Fivecoat, Commander of the Airborne and Ranger Training Brigade. "These two women were the first ones that came and met all the standards, and in the future, if the Army decides it, we’ll be happy to see more," he said.
Someone seems to care about the data, at least.
Why are women allowed into front line combat in the Alliance military anyway? Was any plausible reason given?
Final Fantasy 15 is about a boy band?
Man, I'm glad I dropped that series when I was a teen after X.
The game isn't out yet so no one can really tell at this point, but yes it do looks like a boy band in a car on a road trip with action combat thrown in.
What would be a "plausible reason" ?
Square-Enix is a Japanese company. The standard of beauty can be different from the West. Look up J-pop bands and how they look. These characters adhere to those looks. Toned body and more soft face actually a lot more desirable in Asia rather than muscular scruffy look in the West.
Dumb question what does SJW even mean. I've seen it thrown around a lot and I get the impression it means some kind if offensive way to say women who voice their opinions but I got nothing.
Social Justice Warrior. It's mostly used to dismish any point you don't like made by anyone who isn't you, at least here in boards.
Social Justice Warrior. It's mostly used to dismish any point you don't like made by anyone who isn't you, at least here in boards.
It's also a stupid name, because it sounds so freaking badass. I get that it's trying to be a play on "keyboard warrior", but that one works because of the obvious play on meaning between "warrior" (strong, active, etc.) and "keyboard" (sitting on your desk, detached from the world).
"Social Justice" is, first of all, a really and obviously important social value, and being against it (as a concept) sounds a bit like you're against, say, equality or morality (we might disagree on what it means, but not on the concept itself). Second of all, it sounds awesome. Social Justice Warriors could easily be the name of a heroic group of adventurers, or rebels against an evil empire.
Social Justice Warrior. It's mostly used to dismish any point you don't like made by anyone who isn't you, at least here in boards.
Ah an all inclusive knock on people expressing opinions and not gender exclusive. Thanks. I hate acronyms.
I think it's origins is to mock people interested in social issues, but people really use it to mock anyone who seems more liberal than they are nowadays. For example in other thread someone was hoping for non-Anglo accent for character and was mocked SJW right away by other user. It's quite meaningless insult.
Dumb question what does SJW even mean. I've seen it thrown around a lot and I get the impression it means some kind if offensive way to say women who voice their opinions but I got nothing.
Why are women allowed into front line combat in the Alliance military anyway? Was any plausible reason given?
I think it's origins is to mock people interested in social issues, but people really use it to mock anyone who seems more liberal than they are nowadays. For example in other thread someone was hoping for non-Anglo accent for character and was mocked SJW right away by other user. It's quite meaningless insult.
Meaningless to the target.
I think it says quite a lot about a person when they throw it around without irony, though.
I agree and that's fine.
If the story is being told in some small town in Iowa about a group of locals then I expect just about everyone to be white.
However, if the story takes place in Manhattan on the lower east side about a group of locals and just about everyone is white including the background characters then we have a problem.
I think it says quite a lot about a person when they throw it around without irony, though.
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