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[chessplayer209]

Another factor to consider before just shoe-horning more female admirals into the game for the sake of political correctness and the demands of forum social justice warriors is that many people from the public perceive men to be better political leaders than women overall according to this Pew Research article. According to the article, while the majority of people perceive men and women to be equally good leaders, 21% of the public finds men to be better leaders, while only 6% of the public says women make better leaders. From a business standpoint, Bioware wants to make the characters in their games compelling, believable, and of good quality for the broadest segment of the population possible. Since a greater portion of the population perceives men to be better leaders than perceives women to be better leaders, it would make good business sense for Bioware to have their admirals in Mass Effect be male in order to make them suitably compelling and believable for the broadest segment of the population possible.

69+21>69+6

[Ahglock]

Thing is, everything's in the eye of the beholder. And there are some people here who regard the tiniest bit of diversity as outright pandering in the face of the "proper" way of things.

I can only imagine what the very intellectual chess enthusiast downthread would say to Hackett's character as an asian woman. Frankly, I think that that's the sort of fan who deserves to be disappointed.

Ironically they shouldn't pander to the over sensitive and be more inclusive. And the over sensitive types who make something out of nothing seeing inclusive character design as pandering should be ignored.

It's not like this is an Italian mafia movie and they are casting an Asian woman as the lead mafioso.

[X Equestris]

Another factor to consider before just shoe-horning more female admirals into the game for the sake of political correctness and the demands of forum social justice warriors is that many people from the public perceive men to be better political leaders than women overall according to this Pew Research article. According to the article, while the majority of people perceive men and women to be equally good leaders, 21% of the public finds men to be better leaders, while only 6% of the public says women make better leaders. From a business standpoint, Bioware wants to make the characters in their games compelling, believable, and of good quality for the broadest segment of the population possible. Since a greater portion of the population perceives men to be better leaders than perceives women to be better leaders, it would make good business sense for Bioware to have their admirals in Mass Effect be male in order to make them suitably compelling and believable for the broadest segment of the population possible.
69+21>69+6

I don't think Bioware cares in the least about public perception of each gender's leadership qualities.

[Lola Colyte]

Wulfram has a good point. Gender diversity could only help to enrich our beloved universe.

[Gramorla]

I like the way they use the high ranked female charakters in B5. Strawinsky said somehow he install a female president for earth in the earth/minbari conflict to give the show a higher emotional connection to the moment when earth see the final confrontation with the minbari fleet. He also install a female pope and female admirals etc.

[FKA_Servo]

I don't think Bioware cares in the least about public perception of each gender's leadership qualities.

 

Thankfully, evidence suggests that they're not interested in feedback from posters like him (other than in a "what not to do" sort of way), either.

[CuriousArtemis]

Now if I were a straight white male and i'm creating a story based on the world as I see it, this imagined world would contain many if not all of the ethnicities that exist in real life that i'm aware of or at least some semblance of them. What is it about being a straight white male that you believe would cloud my eyes to the existence of other peoples? Do I not watch tv? Do I not read books? Do I not watch movies? Do i not surf the web? Do I not leave my freaking house? How can i know that i live in a world of various peoples and still largely if not altogether exclude all peoples but my own? I myself could only do that on purpose. But why would I do that? What possible reasons could I have for doing such a thing? Hrmm? Tell me.

 

You seem really angry and perhaps to have not fully understood my post That's okay. If you are a straight white male and you have written a story that is very inclusive, then kudos to you; that's wonderful. 

 

Other than that, I'm not sure how to say what I've already said any clearer, so feel free to re-read my post and maybe PM me if anything is confusing. 

[chessplayer209]

As I said upthread, we might query why Bioware chose to create new models in ME2 for, say, the drell and vorcha rather than for female Turians and female Salarians or Krogan (which, notably, they did do for male Quarians).

 

Probably because the diversity of alien species is more meaningful to your average Mass Effect player than a diversity of genders from a smaller number of alien species. Most people from the general public aren't forum social justice warriors eager to see more female Krogans/Turians/whatever purely for the sake of their political concerns.

[Treacherous J Slither]

You seem really angry and perhaps to have not fully understood my post That's okay. If you are a straight white male and you have written a story that is very inclusive, then kudos to you; that's wonderful.

Other than that, I'm not sure how to say what I've already said any clearer, so feel free to re-read my post and maybe PM me if anything is confusing.

Yeah I did get a little upset. No need to pm or anything. I'll just go away and shut up for a bit.

[Heathen Oxman]

Something something something SJW, something something something complete.

 

I'm inclined to think some people are just trolling for attention at this point.......

[chessplayer209]

I don't think Bioware cares in the least about public perception of each gender's leadership qualities.

 

When admirals such as Anderson or Hackett are giving a speech in the game that is meant by developers/writers to be moving or inspirational, public perception of differing leadership qualities between the genders actually seems like it would matter quite greatly. If a significant portion of the public would be less moved by the speech if it came from a female admiral because of different perceptions about the leadership qualities of each gender, that's a big problem for the writers and developers because that suggests that segment of their market wouldn't be enjoying their products as much as they otherwise could be.

 

Therefore, from a business standpoint, it would make sense to have the admirals be male as we saw with Mass Effect 1-3 for the sake of making Bioware's products enjoyable to the broadest segment of the public possible. Again:  69+21>69+6.

[KaiserShep]

When admirals such as Anderson or Hackett are giving a speech in the game that is meant by developers/writers to be moving or inspirational, public perception of differing leadership qualities between the genders actually seems like it would matter quite greatly. If a significant portion of the public would be less moved by the speech if it came from a female admiral, that's a big problem for the writers and developers because that suggests that segment of their market wouldn't be enjoying their products. Therefore, from a business standpoint, it would make sense to have the admirals be male as we saw with Mass Effect 1-3 for the sake of making Bioware's products enjoyable to the broadest segment of the public possible.

 

So now the argument is that a female admiral just won't inspire people when making grand speeches? From a "business standpoint"? I don't exactly have a rich background to add to my business acumen, but I can't help but smell just the faintest hint of manure. 

 

When it rains, it pours…I guess. 

[Heathen Oxman]

That's anecdotal evidence that doesn't necessarily represent the military as a whole. That said, we're talking about generals and admirals, not maintenance squad commanders.

 

Of generals and admirals, only around 7% are women according to the CNN article I linked to earlier. That means that if there's 10 admirals and generals in Mass Effect, to accurately depict reality, less than 1 of them should be a woman if we're going to prioritize concerns about realism and immersion over the social justice warrior demands for affirmative action & political correctness.

 

Source:

http://www.cnn.com/2...ance/index.html

 

I realize you're just trolling at this point, but......

 

Yeah, it's an anecdote, just like MEA will be the protagonist's "anecdote."

 

Since you seem to have trouble wrapping your mind around the concept, "statistically a minority" does not mean "will never be seen by anybody, ever."  We also had a female general visit the base when I was in Germany, so, yes, I did see one, and she didn't magically disappear into thin air because she didn't represent the "majority."  Ever single social situation doesn't reflect "statistics."

 

I honestly hope that we get a transsexual, pansexual, multi-racial, pantheist Little Person as an admiral just to watch the anti-SJW contingent explode in impotent rage.

[KaiserShep]

If you ever meet a female general, you better cherish that moment, 'cause you done seen yourself a unicorn. 

[KaiserShep]

I honestly hope that we get a transsexual, pansexual, multi-racial, pantheist Little Person as an admiral just to watch the anti-SJW contingent explode in impotent rage.

 

That checks so many boxes, it'd future-proof BioWare for the next 20 years. 

[Heathen Oxman]

If you ever meet a female general, you better cherish that moment, 'cause you done seen yourself a unicorn. 

 

A shoe-horned-in, feminist agenda unicorn....

[Pasquale1234]

A shoe-horned-in, feminist agenda unicorn....

You forgot to add SJW and "politically correct" to that sentence.

[X Equestris]

When admirals such as Anderson or Hackett are giving a speech in the game that is meant by developers/writers to be moving or inspirational, public perception of differing leadership qualities between the genders actually seems like it would matter quite greatly. If a significant portion of the public would be less moved by the speech if it came from a female admiral because of different perceptions about the leadership qualities of each gender, that's a big problem for the writers and developers because that suggests that segment of their market wouldn't be enjoying their products as much as they otherwise could be.
 
Therefore, from a business standpoint, it would make sense to have the admirals be male as we saw with Mass Effect 1-3 for the sake of making Bioware's products enjoyable to the broadest segment of the public possible. Again:  69+21>69+6.

So the argument has descended from "women are only 7% of the admirals and generals" to "women can't give inspiring speeches"? Got it. At this point, it's clear you're either a troll or a rather sexist individual, and I don't say that lightly.

[wyrdx]

 

 

I honestly hope that we get a transsexual, pansexual, multi-racial, pantheist Little Person as an admiral just to watch the anti-SJW contingent explode in impotent rage.

 

 

Your schadenfreude is naked. Best to cover up with more crowing as conscientiousness requires self awareness.  

[Heathen Oxman]

Your schadenfreude is naked. Best to cover up with more crowing as conscientiousness requires self awareness.  

 

Huh?

 

Does not compute.

[FKA_Servo]

Your schadenfreude is naked. Best to cover up with more crowing as conscientiousness requires self awareness.

She's mocking people who deserve to be mocked.

[wyrdx]

She's mocking people who deserve to be mocked. Just putting that out there.

Perhaps so. It would have been fairer of me to ask the poster if it was worth it and cathartic since I only found it to only be one of the two.

[Lady Artifice]

Your schadenfreude is naked. Best to cover up with more crowing as conscientiousness requires self awareness.  

 

Uh, for it to be shadenfreude, Heathen would actually have to consider that eventuality to be a genuine misfortune for "anti-SJWs," and thereby delight in their suffering. If they instead perceive it as, say, a group of paranoid people perceiving anything they don't like as a kind of victimization by a somehow extremely powerful online force of militant beings out to suck the fun out of gaming, that's a whole different thing. 

[SmilesJA]

Uh, for it to be shadenfreude, Heathen would actually have to consider that eventuality to be a genuine misfortune for "anti-SJWs," and thereby delight in their suffering. If they instead perceive it as, say, a group of paranoid people perceiving anything they don't like as a kind of victimization by a somehow extremely powerful online force of militant beings out to suck the fun out of gaming, that's a whole different thing. 

 

Honestly it could go both ways.

[SmilesJA]

In Exile is right social justice warrior sounds bad ass. I want a non parody television show now with an awesome metal theme song. Social Justice Warrior!!

 

Eh sometimes those people can very aggressive to the point of stupidity.