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[AlanC9]

Engaging with this intellectually vacuous discussion hurts all of us.

Who's engaging? I'm in the giving-them-more-rope business here.

[Ahglock]

Eh sometimes those people can very aggressive to the point of stupidity.

What do you mean by those people! Jk

[AlanC9]

So the argument has descended from "women are only 7% of the admirals and generals" to "women can't give inspiring speeches"? Got it. At this point, it's clear you're either a troll or a rather sexist individual, and I don't say that lightly.

I thought he was trying to bring off something like concern trolling there. It's not that he believes this stuff himself; the problem is that all these other people have these sexist attitudes.

It's a workable strategy, but you gotta play it earlier to make it fly.

[kalikilic]

Or if the intent is for this to be a reflection that human society is still sexist in the 22nd century, which would be depressing but plausible, then it would be nice if this was acknowledged in universe.

 

if you want to take a simple decision and convolute it into such an implication, then of course, that is the intention. but let me ask you, if that was the intention of the game, why we were ever given the choice of gender in the game? society is full of problems. dont make a problem where there is none.

 

mmhh k.

[Dantriges]

Uh yes if a female admiral held a speech, that would have totally ruined the game and combined with the outrage about the endings, it would have resulted in hordes of angry gamers storming Bioware´s studios. Today Bioware would be the only gaming company massacred by its own customers.

 

What an argument.

So 69% say both genders are equally viable, doesn´t mean that they don´t care if the elite is portrayed as an old boys club only.

[SmilesJA]

Who's engaging? I'm in the giving-them-more-rope business here.

 

It's become a mess of a thread full of bickering and derailing. Just reading some of those posts decreases IQ.

[Vapaa]

[/i]From a business standpoint, Bioware wants to make the characters in their games compelling, believable, and of good quality for the broadest segment of the population possible.

So, it's not about "artistic integrity" anymore, but largest-denominator pandering ?

That's a leap, if I ever saw one.

[Steelcan]

So, it's not about "artistic integrity" anymore, but largest-denominator pandering ?

That's a leap, if I ever saw one.

BioWare has never stood for artistic integrity

[The Hierophant]

Thread is awful.

 

Might post a similar topic later though.

[Vapaa]

BioWare has never stood for artistic integrity

 

It's not about Bioware, but some of the arguments made here.

It's litterally "I'm going to throw every single potential reason even if they contradict each other".

 

But if we're talking about Bioware, I'd say they make a consious effort towards diversity and représentation, not because of "evil SJW", but because they actually WANT to include that kind of content.

[Steelcan]

But if we're talking about Bioware, I'd say they make a consious effort towards diversity and représentation, not because of "evil SJW", but because they actually WANT to include that kind of content.

The two aren't mutually exclusive, BioWare has found a devoted market because of their LGBT content, a quick glance around anything related to BioWare on tumblr or reddit can show you that.

 

They certainly want to include such content, and they should be commended for doing so, but I cannot help but feel as if BioWare is also playing its strengths.  There's no doubt they are aware of the inordinate focus placed on romances by parts of their fanbase and I find it difficult to believe they aren't intentionally using that.  If they can market themselves as the only large game studio providing such content then they are sitting on a goldmine.

[Battlebloodmage]

The two aren't mutually exclusive, BioWare has found a devoted market because of their LGBT content, a quick glance around anything related to BioWare on tumblr or reddit can show you that.

 

They certainly want to include such content, and they should be commended for doing so, but I cannot help but feel as if BioWare is also playing its strengths.  There's no doubt they are aware of the inordinate focus placed on romances by parts of their fanbase and I find it difficult to believe they aren't intentionally using that.  If they can market themselves as the only large game studio providing such content then they are sitting on a goldmine.

This is why I was very disappointed when they didn't include it in SWTOR, especially when they can romance several characters in a single path. They then have the gay planet where people have to pay to gay, but even then, nothing come of it, flirt and then it ends, nothing permanent. 

 

I'm not sure if it's because of Bioware games, but the interest for LGBT in RPG games grow a lot. Even Japanese games like Fire Emblem starts to include those options. Regardless, I find Bioware to be some sort of pioneers since they are one of the few to include gay relationship in triple AAA games. Bethesda seems to be the other company that include such contents in the early days.

[Steelcan]

This is why I was very disappointed when they didn't include it in SWTOR, especially when they can romance several characters in a single path. They then have the gay planet where people have to pay to gay, but even then, nothing come of it, flirt and then it ends, nothing permanent. 

 

I'm not sure if it's because of Bioware games, but the interest for LGBT in RPG games grow a lot. Even Japanese games like Fire Emblem starts to include those options. Regardless, I find Bioware to be some sort of pioneers since they are one of the few to include gay relationship in triple AAA games. Bethesda seems to be the other company that include such contents in the early days.

Well BioWare Austin is BioWare in the same way the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is democratic and a republic

[Umaya]

Huh, typical BW.

 

I was just adding some real info to this thread..*sigh*.

[BabyPuncher]

I'm not sure if it's because of Bioware games, but the interest for LGBT in RPG games grow a lot.

 

It's hardly confined to video games. The 'interest' in LGBT affairs seems to have grown pretty much everywhere in the western world in the past several years.

 

It's unfortunate that so much of it is mired in stupidity and hypocrisy, but then it wouldn't be a mass movement if it wasn't, would it now?

[SmilesJA]

What do you mean by those people! Jk

 

You know who I'm talking about. 

[Vapaa]

The two aren't mutually exclusive, BioWare has found a devoted market because of their LGBT content, a quick glance around anything related to BioWare on tumblr or reddit can show you that.

 

They certainly want to include such content, and they should be commended for doing so, but I cannot help but feel as if BioWare is also playing its strengths.  There's no doubt they are aware of the inordinate focus placed on romances by parts of their fanbase and I find it difficult to believe they aren't intentionally using that.  If they can market themselves as the only large game studio providing such content then they are sitting on a goldmine.

 

First, ther is no harm in playing one's strenghts.

 

Second; "If they can market themselves as the only large game studio providing such content" they aren't, seriously where does this come from ?

 

And they are not alone anyway, Bethesda is doing it in Fallout...Gearbox, Naughty dog and Machinegames (to name just a few) have had proeminent women as well as men in their recent games, as well as LGBT characters, so no, Bioware is not the sole game developper to take the diversity route, they are arguably the pioneers, but now there's quite a few heavy players of the industry that are going that path.

[Feybrad]

I was away several Days and this Thread is still going on. I am without Words.

[Steelcan]

 

And they are not alone anyway, Bethesda is doing it in Fallout...Gearbox, Naughty dog and Machinegames (to name just a few) have had proeminent women as well as men in their recent games, as well as LGBT characters, so no, Bioware is not the sole game developper to take the diversity route, they are arguably the pioneers, but now there's quite a few heavy players of the industry that are going that path.

I didn't say they were the only one.

 

But you wouldn't know that given how BioWare talks about themselves

[chessplayer209]

 

So 69% say both genders are equally viable, doesn´t mean that they don´t care if the elite is portrayed as an old boys club only.

 

Apparently the (mostly male) player base for the Mass Effect games doesn't really care if the admirals were portrayed as all men because the Mass Effect trilogy portrayed Anderson and Hackett as men and the Mass Effect trilogy still sold quite well despite the SJW whining. What a shock!

However, it remains to be seen if the Mass Effect player base would still buy the game if the admirals were portrayed as female burqa wearing lesbian midget transsexuals as many of the SJWs seem to think is a good idea.

[Ahglock]

There is a difference between not getting up in arms about them maintaining the status quo and thinking it could be better or it wouldn't be hurt by these changes.

Does it bother me that hacket was male. Nope. Would it have bothered me if hacket had been female. Nope. Do I think it would have been just as good, yes. Do I think the added inclusivenes when it doesn't hurt the story is a overall better choice? Yes.

[Vapaa]

I didn't say they were the only one.

But you wouldn't know that given how BioWare talks about themselves

Where did they said or implied that ?

[KaiserShep]

Apparently the (mostly male) player base for the Mass Effect games doesn't really care if the admirals were portrayed as all men because the Mass Effect trilogy portrayed Anderson and Hackett as men and the Mass Effect trilogy still sold quite well despite the SJW whining. What a shock!
However, it remains to be seen if the Mass Effect player base would still buy the game if the admirals were portrayed as female burqa wearing lesbian midget transsexuals as many of the SJWs seem to think is a good idea.

If a major NPC was a burka-wearing lesbian, I'd buy two copies and write your user name on one out of spite.

But really, I doubt many people gave much thought to Anderson or Hackett. You never even saw Hackett in most of the trilogy.

[WildOrchid]

Apparently the (mostly male) player base for the Mass Effect games doesn't really care if the admirals were portrayed as all men because the Mass Effect trilogy portrayed Anderson and Hackett as men and the Mass Effect trilogy still sold quite well despite the SJW whining. What a shock!

However, it remains to be seen if the Mass Effect player base would still buy the game if the admirals were portrayed as female burqa wearing lesbian midget transsexuals as many of the SJWs seem to think is a good idea.

 

[Steelcan]

Where did they said or implied that ?

I'm not going to hunt down every pre-release statement about Dorian or Sera and so on