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[Dantriges]

Apparently the (mostly male) player base for the Mass Effect games doesn't really care if the admirals were portrayed as all men because the Mass Effect trilogy portrayed Anderson and Hackett as men and the Mass Effect trilogy still sold quite well despite the SJW whining. What a shock!

However, it remains to be seen if the Mass Effect player base would still buy the game if the admirals were portrayed as female burqa wearing lesbian midget transsexuals as many of the SJWs seem to think is a good idea.

 

Well I expect a female admiral to wear a uniform. Well it would actually be interesting how many people would care if you got your orders from a woman in the game. I doubt that many would would object.

[AlanC9]

Apparently the (mostly male) player base for the Mass Effect games doesn't really care if the admirals were portrayed as all men because the Mass Effect trilogy portrayed Anderson and Hackett as men and the Mass Effect trilogy still sold quite well despite the SJW whining. What a shock!
However, it remains to be seen if the Mass Effect player base would still buy the game if the admirals were portrayed as female burqa wearing lesbian midget transsexuals as many of the SJWs seem to think is a good idea.

I gotta ask.... do you actually think this sort of post can do anything other than discredit your position?

[Ahglock]

As a side note, as a fan of the Honor Harrington series I can easily imagine a inspiring bad ass female naval captain. I love the novels and I am a bit curious to see where the movie goes, if it actually gets made. 

[Vapaa]

I'm not going to hunt down every pre-release statement about Dorian or Sera and so on

 

So you are not going to back up your claim ?

[wolfhowwl]

Apparently the (mostly male) player base for the Mass Effect games doesn't really care if the admirals were portrayed as all men because the Mass Effect trilogy portrayed Anderson and Hackett as men and the Mass Effect trilogy still sold quite well despite the SJW whining. What a shock!

However, it remains to be seen if the Mass Effect player base would still buy the game if the admirals were portrayed as female burqa wearing lesbian midget transsexuals as many of the SJWs seem to think is a good idea.

 

>not wanting to take orders from a babe like Honor Harrington

 

 

You gay, son?

[WildOrchid]

>not wanting to take orders from a babe like Honor Harrington

 

snip awesome pic

 

You gay, son?

 

Mostly lack of brains than sexuality, judging from his posts.

[United Servo Academy Choir]

Mostly lack of brains than sexuality, judging from his posts.

 

That guy hits so many targets that I have a hard time believing he's not a chuckling troll. But then, there are people who actually think that way, and they do hang out on the BSN.

 

Poe's Law personified.

[In Exile]

What confuses me is the idea that this trolling would work. Presumably the idea is we'd all get upset. But the position is so nonsensical and absurd that all it does is make us laugh. And easily refuting (some might say crushing) these terrible arguments (even in longer posts) is a very self-affirming exercise. So ultimately the only effect of the trolling is to improve the lives and self-esteem of the people being trolled. Certainly the joke would be on the would-be troll in that case.

[Lady Artifice]

I think the joke is always on the trolls, because if someone's fun is actual dependent on the frustration and anger of random strangers on the internet, it's a little pathetic. 

 

Still, I think this might all be very real for this guy. In his eyes, perhaps even the mention of gender ratio is a clear sign of warring social justice, and the very depicting of a female officer in the military a sign of radical feminists taking over the word. 

[Dabrikishaw]

I'm just going to assume the entire thread is just both sides arguing with each other with no progress on anything.

[KaiserShep]

What confuses me is the idea that this trolling would work. Presumably the idea is we'd all get upset. But the position is so nonsensical and absurd that all it does is make us laugh. And easily refuting (some might say crushing) these terrible arguments (even in longer posts) is a very self-affirming exercise. So ultimately the only effect of the trolling is to improve the lives and self-esteem of the people being trolled. Certainly the joke would be on the would-be troll in that case.

Arguing on the Internet keeps your grammar sharp, like excercise for your command of the written word.

[Xaijin]

not wanting to take orders from a babe like Honor Harrington



You gay, son?

If by babe you mean "even more giant mary sue than shepard and master chief combined" then yes, "babe"

[Xaijin]

What confuses me is the idea that this trolling would work. Presumably the idea is we'd all get upset. But the position is so nonsensical and absurd that all it does is make us laugh. And easily refuting (some might say crushing) these terrible arguments (even in longer posts) is a very self-affirming exercise. So ultimately the only effect of the trolling is to improve the lives and self-esteem of the people being trolled. Certainly the joke would be on the would-be troll in that case.

Actually it means it's still effective as you are still wasting time you're never going to get back on a subject with very clear line of beginning and end.

[X Equestris]

If by babe you mean "even more giant mary sue than shepard and master chief combined" then yes, "babe"

Last time I checked, a Mary Sue was a character who is perfect, never suffers any hardships, and is fawned over by everyone around them. I think you're just using the term for a character you don't like, as many people do.

[Xaijin]

That's never been the definition; the definition is a character that surmounts any type of obstacle simply by existing within an environment. There's never any doubt that Harrington will lose or suffer ultimate defeat, nor is there any doubt that those victories will be achieved in an exceedingly formulaic and sophomoric fashion. As depicted in fanfictions.

[In Exile]

Actually it means it's still effective as you are still wasting time you're never going to get back on a subject with very clear line of beginning and end.

It's not really "wasting" my time when I'm having fun. It's a little weird how people think they can guess how good others are at managing their own time.

[Ahglock]

That's never been the definition; the definition is a character that surmounts any type of obstacle simply by existing within an environment. There's never any doubt that Harrington will lose or suffer ultimate defeat, nor is there any doubt that those victories will be achieved in an exceedingly formulaic and sophomoric fashion. As depicted in fanfictions.

 

I don't think the title fits when you are talking about the protagonist, in most stores they do win in he end.  She did suffer many set backs, but yeah the protagonist usually wins in the end.  Still it did start getting absurd about how amazeballs she was. She like leveled up way too fast.  Its not as bad as the Dresden files but the every challenge has to be bigger than the last thing makes book 6 challenges kind of insane when book 1 challenges were already big. 

[WildOrchid]

That's never been the definition; the definition is a character that surmounts any type of obstacle simply by existing within an environment. There's never any doubt that Harrington will lose or suffer ultimate defeat, nor is there any doubt that those victories will be achieved in an exceedingly formulaic and sophomoric fashion. As depicted in fanfictions.

 

Then with the same logic, all protagonists are garry stu's/mary sue's.

Damn, people really killed those terms.

[BabyPuncher]

Last time I checked, a Mary Sue was a character who is perfect, never suffers any hardships, and is fawned over by everyone around them. I think you're just using the term for a character you don't like, as many people do.

'Perfect' in a contrived fashion, I would say.

There are plenty of characters in fiction that I would say are basically perfect. Not 'perfect' in the sense that they magically master every skill with five minutes of practice and have everyone continually gush over how wonderful they are, but perfect in the sense they're strong and smart and attractive and courageous and do their best to do the right thing.

What more can you ask of a man?

[AlanC9]

Thing is, "contrived" isn't a very well-defined standard.

[X Equestris]

That's never been the definition; the definition is a character that surmounts any type of obstacle simply by existing within an environment. There's never any doubt that Harrington will lose or suffer ultimate defeat, nor is there any doubt that those victories will be achieved in an exceedingly formulaic and sophomoric fashion. As depicted in fanfictions.

Continue throwing around subjective terms like formulaic and sophomoric if you wish, it won't get us anywhere. If you've never had any doubt about the outcome, well...most fiction must be rather boring for you, since it follows on the same sort of patterns. Few stories end with the hero failing, and fewer still end with the villain completely winning.

It's worth noting that Honor was slated to die at the end of At All Costs, but that was changed due to the timeline being moved up for one of the side series. And Weber has stated that her death is still very much on the table. How many authors of Mary Sues are willing to kill their characters?

[Heathen Oxman]

I think the joke is always on the trolls, because if someone's fun is actual dependent on the frustration and anger of random strangers on the internet, it's a little pathetic. 

 

Still, I think this might all be very real for this guy. In his eyes, perhaps even the mention of gender ratio is a clear sign of warring social justice, and the very depicting of a female officer in the military a sign of radical feminists taking over the word. 

 

The entire point of "trolling" is to garner attention on the interwebs, and the illusion of "power."

 

I don't understand the need for attention from random people on the internet, or why annoying people from a distance gives some such glee, but I'm "socially retarded" at the best of times, so I can't claim to understand what makes The Normals tick. 

 

But it's obvious to me when some individuals are just looking for attention.  It probably comes from my past as a reformed teenaged troll who found more worthy targets of her vitriol.  

[In Exile]

'Perfect' in a contrived fashion, I would say.

There are plenty of characters in fiction that I would say are basically perfect. Not 'perfect' in the sense that they magically master every skill with five minutes of practice and have everyone continually gush over how wonderful they are, but perfect in the sense they're strong and smart and attractive and courageous and do their best to do the right thing.

What more can you ask of a man?

 

Be eloquent? Be educated? Be cunning (which isn't the same as smart)? We can come up with a long list of ostensibly positive qualities, which go a lot further than smart, good looking brave tough person.

[Lady Artifice]

'Perfect' in a contrived fashion, I would say.

There are plenty of characters in fiction that I would say are basically perfect. Not 'perfect' in the sense that they magically master every skill with five minutes of practice and have everyone continually gush over how wonderful they are, but perfect in the sense they're strong and smart and attractive and courageous and do their best to do the right thing.

What more can you ask of a man?

 

That he be compassion, discerning, and good humored are the first ones that come to my mind. 

 

Killer cheekbones wouldn't hurt. 

[Torgette]

That's never been the definition; the definition is a character that surmounts any type of obstacle simply by existing within an environment. There's never any doubt that Harrington will lose or suffer ultimate defeat, nor is there any doubt that those victories will be achieved in an exceedingly formulaic and sophomoric fashion. As depicted in fanfictions.

 

So basically Anderson and Hacket?