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[N7Jamaican]

That Garrus comic was boring.

[Sartoz]

No, they should create characters that fit the story and make it interesting instead of intentionally add certain quota to make it equal. Almost all the important roles are filled by females in DAI because the story called for it since it seems like a matriarchy society with Andraste being female, Flemeth being an ancient one, Celene being the Empress, Anora as potential queen. Mass Effect shouldn't add females in high roles for the sake of being females. This is not affirmative action. I say this as someone who often play female characters if given the option. 

 

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I agree.

It'a a new story with new characters and the characters fit the story, whatever the story happens to be.  All I ask is for the characters to be interesting and the story engaging and that both be one cohesive unit with no loose threads at the end of the game.

 

High ranking what nots are support characters within a plot device. The role models are the female Protagonist, the female in the trailer and the female alien LI = three of them that will kick ass in the game, if not more.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

So is everything else in the game, David. This particular issue harmed the coherence of the setting, and was something that tons of players noticed and complained about. And then they joked it off with a some offensive comments. It was stupid.

 

 

It's work, but it's also completely necessary. I'd rather them to leave races out than bring races to game and then show only male's from those species that makes no sense. There is no lore-explanation why we won't see any female Turian in the game, there is Turians everywhere, but they are all male?

 

Seriously making female characters should already be norm in the industry not something that is thought as extra work.

 

 

I'm not even willing to give them a pass on Krogan and Salarians. They invent a lore reason as an excuse to not do it?

 

And yeah, I thing the joke was something like "how would we draw a female turian, give her breasts?".  Seriously? You can't use your imaginations even a little? Thanks to the laziness of the Bioware Mass Effect artists, we got a stock photo photoshop job for a quarian, no female Turians, and an entire race of females that look like humans with blue skin.

 

The Salarians and Krogan should have been easy. There's no real reason the females even need a special model. Most real species don't have sexual dimorphism.  just use the same model and hire more female voice actors.

 

On topic, I'm leaning towards the sample size is too small to say there aren't enough women in power.

 

Besides that, be careful what you ask for. Look what happened to DAI. More women in power! Yes, characters who only show up for a short cutscene or two, meanwhile, the followers, the characters most of us really care about and spend most of our time with are mostly male.

[Former_Fiend]

I wouldn't have a problem if Bioware decided several high ranking human characters just happen to be women. 

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

I would like to echo the demand for more highly-ranked militany women in ME:A. I would also demand that the uniform for these women consist of a bustier, leather mini-skirt, fishnet stockings, and stiletto heels.

[Mcfly616]

I'm down for a hard ass female superior officer akin to Admiral Cain from Battlestar Galactica. She can order me around any day.

[The Heretic of Time]

The significant admirals, the ambassadors, the possible councillors, pretty much any human who Shepard might be expected to treat as a superior or an equal have almost all been men.  This bugs me, can we have it be different in ME:A please?  Or if the intent is for this to be a reflection that human society is still sexist in the 22nd century, which would be depressing but plausible, then it would be nice if this was acknowledged in universe.

 

Exceptions I can think of are Spacer Shepard's mother and one of the 3 admirals who get blown up at the start of ME3.  And I gather there was a woman Ambassador in the books?  But that's still pretty minor compared to people such as Udina, Hackett, Anderson and TIM, as well as the more minor but still high ranking figures like President Huerta, Admiral Mikhailovich and Ambassador Osoba

 

The reason that most superiors in the army and navy are men has nothing to do with sexism. Men and women are different and make different life choices. Significantly less women are willing to enlist than men. Unless you want to force women to join the army and climb the ranks, you'll always see more male superior officers than female superior officers.

To suggest that BioWare or Mass Effect is sexist because it doesn't have as many female superior officers is quite laughable at best.

[Seboist]

The reason that most superiors in the army and navy are men has nothing to do with sexism. Men and women are different and make different life choices. Significantly less women are willing to enlist than men. Unless you want to force women to join the army and climb the ranks, you'll always see more male superior officers than female superior officers.

To suggest that BioWare or Mass Effect is sexist because it doesn't have as many female superior officers as it has male superior officers is quite laughable at best.

 

Biggest reason is that women make third rate soldiers at best. Might as well have kids and geezers as recruits while one's at it.

 

 

[Xaijin]

No. It might be five hundred years or two thousand years. Regardless, that doesn't matter in the slightest.

 

If they do set out to create a bunch of high ranking characters who just so happen to be female, they're immediately accused of filling quotas and tokenism, so I don't see the point in treating it as such. And I can't for the life of me understand why some people are so resentful of it.

 

In any event, Bioware's work has very deliberately tended towards inclusive content and diverse characters, and it's never seemed forced overall. It's also elevated the medium. I'm not excessively worried.

 

See now I would have agreed with you, except you have a DA:I token, and speaking of tokens, there was token everything within its narrative, a veritable madlib of subcharacters whose often sole defining trait was being a fantasy _______, as if taken off a check list, which is frankly insulting, especially if you've been fighting for legit inclusion in interactive media for a while.

 

I'd rather have an organic approach with depth before [x], and DA:I delivered the opposite of that. I'd rather ME:A not do the same, and whomever you colonize with at the end of the day be three dimensional characters and interesting persona first, and  _______ represented WINKWINKSOCLEVER a distant 99th.

[AlanC9]

The reason that most superiors in the army and navy are men has nothing to do with sexism. Men and women are different and make different life choices. Significantly less women are willing to enlist than men. Unless you want to force women to join the army and climb the ranks, you'll always see more male superior officers than female superior officers.

Sure, but were people asking for 50-50?

[SardaukarElite]

Biggest reason is that women make third rate soldiers at best. Might as well have kids and geezers as recruits while one's at it.

 

No, at best women make 309 kill snipers like Liudmila Pavlichenko, or 860 night mission bomber navigators like Polina Gelman.

[MrObnoxiousUK]

Point out one military where there is an equal distribution of men and women in command roles. 

[Seboist]

No, at best women make 309 kill snipers like Liudmila Pavlichenko, or 860 night mission bomber navigators like Polina Gelman.

And? Exceptions prove the rule, and the only reason why they even served to begin with was due to the Soviets having their backs to the wall, much like how the Germans started to recruit boys and old men in the final days of the war. That neither side used women as front line assault troops in either situation further shows how they viewed women's ability for soldiering vs men's, as anything a woman can do, a man can do much better.

[The Heretic of Time]

Sure, but were people asking for 50-50?

Honestly, these days I'm not sure what the politically correct "progressive" crowd is asking for. It seems to me that they are never satisfied.

[Lady Artifice]

I wonder which phrase is more often grossly misused. "The exception proves the rule" or "I could (couldn't) care less."

[Catastrophy]

Honestly, these days I'm not sure what the politically correct "progressive" crowd is asking for. It seems to me that they are never satisfied.

Asari are all we need.

[Chealec]

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And yeah, I thing the joke was something like "how would we draw a female turian, give her breasts?".  Seriously? You can't use your imaginations even a little? Thanks to the laziness of the Bioware Mass Effect artists, we got a stock photo photoshop job for a quarian, no female Turians, and an entire race of females that look like humans with blue skin.

 

The Salarians and Krogan should have been easy. There's no real reason the females even need a special model. Most real species don't have sexual dimorphism.  just use the same model and hire more female voice actors.

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Could be worse - tell me if this makes any sense to you:

 

 

 

Mammary glands being a defining feature of well... mammals

[Vanilka]

Hmm I wonder if I'm mistaken then, I was under impression that s/he indeed is female Salarian, but I guess not?

 

No female Salarians in the game then. Another race without any girls in it.

 

Seriously this have never bothered me so much until I started count all the races that have no girls in the game. Wtf Bioware.

 

Actually, there are female Salarians, but very few. I think the new council's Salarian member is a woman, if I remember right. We also have the Dalatrass. Still, I would understand with Salarians because, as it has been said, only perhaps 20% of them are female and they have a rather specific position in their society, often dealing with politics and clan leadership of sorts, etc. Not that it's an excuse to only have like two in the entire franchise, but it's still an explanation.

 

However, the lack of female aliens of all the other species bothers me a lot. I can't believe some infertile Krogan females wouldn't just go, "Screw this!" and become mercs, for example. And for how incredibly numerous turians are, to have only two turian women in the whole franchise (One in Omega DLC and one that barely gets any lines in Citadel DLC. Oh, yeah, plus the turian VIs in the Armax Arena.) is ridiculous and it makes you realise the lack of female NPCs even more. (I like joking about Nyreen having a huge harem because there simply can't be enough turian ladies for everyone.) No Batarian, Elcor, Volus, or other ladies, either. To me, it's not so much of a "This is not fair!" issue as much as that it's simply weird and it makes the world seem less real.

 

And if resources are the problem, which I would understand especially in case of the less common species like the hanar (If they even have genders.), why not make one of the races all female? This is not really a suggestion. It's just that I don't buy this excuse.

[Panda]

Actually slapping boobs to everything to make it "female" is something you quite often see in fantasy and scifi. Pretty much lack of imagination from designers I'd say. It gets quite disturbing when you see races like Argonians and Khajit going around with boobs. Reminds me of boys in elementary school who decided to make some human boobs to snow horse I and my friends had made even if horses do not have human-like boobs on their neck..

 

I think even Nyreen (only female Turian in the universe) has some boobs slapped on her as well, even if Turian seem to be quite bony and lack fat tissue. Sigh.

 

[Battlebloodmage]

Actually slapping boobs to everything to make it "female" is something you quite often see in fantasy and scifi. Pretty much lack of imagination from designers I'd say. It gets quite disturbing when you see races like Argonians and Khajit going around with boobs. Reminds me of boys in elementary school who decided to make some human boobs to snow horse I and my friends had made even if horses do not have human-like boobs on their neck..

 

I think even Nyreen (only female Turian in the universe) has some boobs slapped on her as well, even if Turian seem to be quite bony and lack fat tissue. Sigh.

 

 

There was a female turian if you play Garrus' wingman on Citadel.

 

 

[Panda]

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There was a female turian if you play Garrus' wingman on Citadel.

 

 

 

I haven't played Citadel DLC yet so I didn't know. So.. there is two female Turians in the ME1-3 and both in DLC's. I'm so impressed by Bioware right now.. not. ^^;

[Vanilka]

Actually slapping boobs to everything to make it "female" is something you quite often see in fantasy and scifi. Pretty much lack of imagination from designers I'd say. It gets quite disturbing when you see races like Argonians and Khajit going around with boobs. Reminds me of boys in elementary school who decided to make some human boobs to snow horse I and my friends had made even if horses do not have human-like boobs on their neck..

 

I think even Nyreen (only female Turian in the universe) has some boobs slapped on her as well, even if Turian seem to be quite bony and lack fat tissue. Sigh.

 

 

The thing with Nyreen is actually rather funny, because it looks like she has boobs when she has that cape on and stuff, but then she takes it off and...

 

Spoiler

 

What? How does this work?   Did she go change her clothes/armour completely?

 

I agree that the trend of slapping boobs on everything, including beings that look like lizards and such, to make it look female is pretty absurd and lacks imagination. They wouldn't even have to go far for inspiration, imho. Just look at how males and females work in nature - change of size, colouring, etc., like with birds. Some species don't even have brutal differences like cats or dogs.

 

I do like how female turians turned out, though.

[Panda]

The thing with Nyreen is actually rather funny, because it looks like she has boobs when she has that cape on and stuff, but then she takes it off and...

 

Spoiler

 

What? How does this work?   Did she go change her clothes/armour completely?

 

I agree that the trend of slapping boobs on everything, including beings that look like lizards and such, to make it look female is pretty absurd and lacks imagination. They wouldn't even have to go far for inspiration, imho. Just look at how males and females work in nature - change of size, colouring, etc., like with birds. Some species don't even have brutal differences like cats or dogs.

 

I do like how female turians turned out, though.

 

I like Nyreens design with Turian armor, it makes sense for me that female Turians look like that. I don't get the look with cape though, the boobs there are so unnecessary, they should have sticked with armor.

 

.. I think I have been quite high-jacking this thread though with alien talk when it was supposed to be about high-ranking human women. Maybe I should do thread for this exact topic.

[Wulfram]

The reason that most superiors in the army and navy are men has nothing to do with sexism. Men and women are different and make different life choices. Significantly less women are willing to enlist than men. Unless you want to force women to join the army and climb the ranks, you'll always see more male superior officers than female superior officers.

To suggest that BioWare or Mass Effect is sexist because it doesn't have as many female superior officers is quite laughable at best.

 

Well, in Mass Effect there are evidently considerable numbers of women being recruited.  And I'm not saying 50%, just "more".  And I'm not talking about just the military, anyway.