Dragon Age Inquisition did a good job of having females in positions of power, so I can assume this will be extended to ME:A.
Hopefully they actually show females of the new races unlike most races in ME1....
The people saying 'UGH STOP CREATING PROBLEMS WHAT IS THE GAME SEXIST IF THERE ARE MORE MEN MEN ARE JUST BIOLOGICALLY BETTER AT SHOOTING GUNS' or whatever, in the mass effect universe there are a lot of female soldiers, just not many in high up positions, which is odd.
Well, in Mass Effect there are evidently considerable numbers of women being recruited. And I'm not saying 50%, just "more". And I'm not talking about just the military, anyway.
Define more? There are three prominent male military position with Anderson, Udina, and Hackett. How many should be women?
Define more? There are three prominent male military position with Anderson, Udina, and Hackett. How many should be women?
Udina isn't military. More high ranking human women doesn't have to mean military, though I think it'd make sense.
More = >0
Then we have scaly, reptilian aliens like the drell having boobs as well.
Yet, the babies do not breast feed and eat solid food immediately after birth. I guess this makes them more sexually attractive to human males. And I hate saying it this way because "this (under spoilers)" is rarely about sexual attraction, but in Thane's comic his wife is
Spoiler
I guess that just proves that western part of world is very alienated about what purpose of the breast are. They aren't sexual organs, they are for breastfeeding.
But since we have cartoons around that have bulls with udders that are milked I guess that shouldn't be so suprising. But seriously someone in the devs department has failed their biology courses in high school..
Udina isn't military. More high ranking human women doesn't have to mean military, though I think it'd make sense.
More = >0
Who do you count then? Without Udina, then I can only count Anderson and Hackett. The game only has 2 prominent roles then.The game doesn't have that many high ranking humans in the first place. Strictly military then I guess Ashley. That's 2-1. I don't think the ratio is that bad then.
Who do you count then? Without Udina, then I can only count Anderson and Hackett. The game only has 2 prominent roles then.The game doesn't have that many high ranking humans in the first place. Strictly military then I guess Ashley. That's 2-1. I don't think the ratio is that bad then.
Shepards Mom is also a rear admiral by ME3 if choosing the spacer background, its just a shame we never see her on screen.
Biggest reason is that women make third rate soldiers at best. Might as well have kids and geezers as recruits while one's at it.
Just gonna quote this so it doesn't get lost. I've seen quite a few times how some BSN dwellers live in a fantasy world saying women are just as strong as men.
Shepards Mom is also a rear admiral by ME3 if choosing the spacer background, its just a shame we never see her on screen.
Yeah, so there are examples of female high ranking, and I was confused by more human females because there were barely any authority figure shown in the first place asides from Anderson and Hackett. Counting Kaidan. We have 3 high ranking military men vs 2 high ranking military women. On top of that, many Asari and Salarian leaders alongside with Eve are all females. Basically, there are many examples of female leaders in both humans and non-human factors.
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Just gonna quote this so it doesn't get lost. I've seen quite a few times how some BSN dwellers live in a fantasy world saying women are just as strong as men.
Oh well! We may not be as physically strong as men or have as much endurance, but we are definitely more agile and flexible. I'd say nature has given both sexes a good balance.
I'm being a bit lazy but:
And? Exceptions prove the rule, and the only reason why they even served to begin with was due to the Soviets having their backs to the wall, much like how the Germans started to recruit boys and old men in the final days of the war. That neither side used women as front line assault troops in either situation further shows how they viewed women's ability for soldiering vs men's, as anything a woman can do, a man can do much better.
Exceptions don't prove the rule, they weaken it. Regardless of reasons, the Soviets had female snipers who performed as well as men, female combat aviators who performed as well as men, and an all female night bomber regiment who out performed its male equivalents. Meanwhile Germany's recruitment of boys and old men apparently didn't work out for it.
And no, the Soviets weren't just fielding women out of desperation. The Germans were destroying Soviet aircraft on the ground at the start of the invasion. When the Soviets began training three women's air regiments they had to supply them with aircraft that would have gone to men's units. It made little to no sense at the time to train those women, it just happened to work out quite well.
Who do you count then? Without Udina, then I can only count Anderson and Hackett. The game only has 2 prominent roles then.The game doesn't have that many high ranking humans in the first place. Strictly military then I guess Ashley. That's 2-1. I don't think the ratio is that bad then.
I'm not talking strictly military. Look at my first post, I'm talking mostly talking about people like Anderson, Udina, TIM and Hackett.
Even if I was talking military, I don't think Ash and Kaidan really count. Their role in the game is essentially to follow orders not give them, and they're not Admirals. At best they'd command a ship, not a fleet.
Let me try a list, though odds are I'll forget someone particularly among the minor characters
Military
Men:
Admiral Hackett
Admiral Anderson
Admiral Kahoku (minor)
Admiral Mikhailovich (minor)
General Petrovsky (Cerberus)
(unnamed Admiral who get blown up)
(other unnamed admiral who gets blown up)
Women:
Admiral Hannah Shepard (minor, might not exist)
(Unnamed Admiral who gets blown up)
Civilian
Men:
TIM
Udina
President Huerta (offscreen)
Ambassador Osoba (minor)
Women:
(Ambassador who doesn't appear in the games and so I don't know the name of)
Things get a lot better if you step a rank or two down below "flag rank" or equivalent, I'm not going to deny that. Ashley, Miranda, Kahlee Sanders, Captain Riley, Doctor Chakwas, various senior mercs and security guards like Matsuo and Jedore etc etc. But there's a sense of a glass ceiling being there, because of the make up of the very top.
The game is basically DA in reverse then. Just curious, do you have a problem or complain when DAI come out?
You're basically include a bunch of characters that appear for a few seconds or mention to inflate the number while in reality, only 3 actual prominent male roles are shown. Being a leader of a terrorist group is not something people should write home about anyway. By that logic, as long as they mentioned a bunch of females while the prominent people are males, that would work?
Ashley/Kaidan are both in the military and as is part of an organization, they're under someone's rule. Even Udina, Hackett, Anderson are under someone's rule and follow orders from the higher up. The game is not the future but an alternative of the future, so even if there are more women or more men, I don't see it as a reflection on the overall game. As I said before, include something because they want to, not because they're obligated to.
There are two other female Alliance admirals mentioned though they never appear in game: The first is Kastanie Drescher of second fleet the first Contact war codex entry and the other is Ines Lindholm of the First fleet who gets mentioned in the war assets entry of said fleet.
The game is basically DA in reverse then. Just curious, do you have a problem or complain when DAI come out?
Ashley/Kaidan are both in the military and as is part of an organization, they're under someone's rule. Even Udina, Hackett, Anderson are under someone's rule and follow orders from the higher up.
Well, DA equivalent would be something like
Women:
Cassandra
Leliana
Josephine
Anora
Celene
Fiona
Meredith
Elthina
Flemeth
Divine Justinia
Vivienne
Men:
Gaspard
Cullen
Corypheus
Lucius
Viscount Dumar
Loghain
Howe
Eamon
[spoily]
Greagoir
Irving
Alistair
(This is even less exhaustive than the ME list)
I'm not seeing a great disparity - DAI perhaps skews towards high ranking women and DAO rather skewed toward men, but it more or less evens out. Despite there being an acknowledged bias in favour of women in the Chantry
Well, DA equivalent would be something like
Women:
Cassandra
Leliana
Josephine
Anora
Celene
Fiona
Meredith
Elthina
Flemeth
Divine Justinia
Vivienne
Briala
Men:
Gaspard
Cullen
Corypheus
Lucius
Viscount Dumar
Loghain
Howe
Eamon
[spoily]
Greagoir
Irving
Orsino
(This is even less exhaustive than the ME list)
I'm not seeing a great disparity - DAI perhaps skews towards high ranking women and DAO rather skewed toward men, but it more or less evens out
All the highest positions as you said are held or can only be held by females. They're female by default unless you change it. The thrones were started with Anora, Celene, on the throne first. Meredith is the highest ranking member for DA2, even Orsino is under her rule. High Dragons are females, the figure people worshipped is Andraste, only people who can be divine is females. The chief warden is female. By default, almost all the rulers were females. There is a glass ceiling, wouldn't you say? ME is not about changing the Earth's political structure, but by default, all the position in DA can or mostly held by females. Most of the males you mentioned are ruled by females.
All the highest positions as you said are females. They're female by default unless you change it. The thrones were started with Anora, Celene, on the throne first. Meredith is the highest ranking member for DA2, even Orsino is under her rule. High Dragons are females, the figure people worshipped is Andraste, only people who can be divine is females. There is a glass ceiling, wouldn't you say? ME is not about changing the Earth's political structure, but by default, all the position in DA can or mostly held by females.
The throne started with Cailan, and Anora is de facto outranked by her father as "regent" unless and until the protagonist rescues her and places her in power. And all the Teyrn and Arls in DAO are men as far as I can recall. And the highest ranking human character in DA2 is Viscount Dumar.
There is something of a glass ceiling in DA in the Chantry. This is an acknowledged part of the lore. If the same glass ceiling is made part of the lore in ME, then that would be fine, as I've repeatedly said. But it shouldn't be left unexamined if it is.
I am fine with seeing more Flag-Rank female humans if it's organic to the story and doesn't cause extra work. The story moves the needs of the game in my opinion, and if a maternal figure or a flag-officer female love interest helps move story along, enhances RP, then by all means add one! Likewise, just like asking for more eye colors or better hair styles (I'm looking at YOU DAI!), it's just asking at this point since the game isn't even finish with the development stage of production yet. If most models are made and they have enough to go around for all NPC's, making one female or male, it's just a matter of creator aesthetics at this point, not SJW catering.
It is a curious thing though that the OP pointed out, the Alliance really didn't have much in the way of female Flag officers or state officials in the overall game, and it's a good catch really. Shows there's always room for improvement in the details.
The throne started with Cailan, and Anora is de facto outranked by her father as "regent" unless and until the protagonist rescues her and places her in power. And all the Teyrn and Arls in DAO are men as far as I can recall. And the highest ranking human character in DA2 is Viscount Dumar.
There is something of a glass ceiling in DA in the Chantry. This is an acknowledged part of the lore. If the same glass ceiling is made part of the lore in ME, then that would be fine, as I've repeatedly said. But it shouldn't be left unexamined if it is.
The warden chief is female, Celene is female and the ruler by default, Briala is female (which mean there is 2/3 chance that the new leader is female) , Fionna as the leader of the elf is female, Divine can only be females, high Dragon can only be female, Flemeth is female. Cailan situation is blurry, but overall, all the important positions are females or can only be held by females. Andraste is female. The ones in control can only be females. What high position is held by males by default? That's a whole lot more than ME series where there are barely any leaders shown. That is not counting all the female alien leaders in the game. If you don't see how DA favored females, then you're just as biased as the people who don't want female leaders in the game.
When talking about the chantry in DA, should be noted the chantry is Tevinter works the other way around, with males in positions of power and a "black divine", we just haven't been there yet even if it seems likely as a destination for DA4.
When talking about the chantry in DA, should be noted the chantry is Tevinter works the other way around, with males in positions of power and a "black divine", we just haven't been there yet even if it seems likely as a destination for DA4.
And which one is considered to be evil, filled with blood magic, own slaves, and featured as a main villain. Tevinter in itself is a a small area while the rest of Thedas followed the main Chantry teaching with Andrate as the prophet and a female only divine.
The warden chief is female, Celene is female and the ruler by default, Fionna as the leader of the elf is female, Divine can only be females, high Dragon can only be female, Flemeth is female. Cailan situation is blurry, but overall, all the important positions are females or can only be held by females. Andraste is female. The ones in control can only be females. What high position is held by males by default? That's a whole lot more than ME series where there are barely any leaders shown.
Duncan is male, the Lord Seeker is male, Loghain is male, Corypheus is male, Harrowmont and Bhelen are male, the Arishok is male, the Viscount is male, the Archdemon is male.
(End of DAI spoiler)
If all the DA games were like DAI then I might consider that there was a skew towards women, though at least that skew would reflect the lore. But if all the DA games were like DAO then there'd be a considerable skew towards men.
Duncan is male, the Lord Seeker is male, Loghain is male, Corypheus is male, Harrowmont and Bhelen are male, the Arishok is male, the Viscount is male, the Archdemon is male.
(End of DAI spoiler)
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If all the DA games were like DAI then I might consider that there was a skew towards women, though at least that skew would reflect the lore. But if all the DA games were like DAO then there'd be a considerable skew towards men.
Almost all the people you mentioned are bad guys or ruined their own countries or under the rule of females while there are a lot more diversity with females. Duncan is not the top Warden, it was Elthina. Loghain is under Anora's rule.
And which one is considered to be evil, filled with blood magic, own slaves, and featured as a main villain. Tevinter in itself is a a small area while the rest of Thedas followed the main Chantry teaching with Andrate as the prophet and a female only divine.
Haven't argued against that, just mentioning there do exist a counterbalance to the all female chantry glass ceiling in the lore.
That said, there do exist a skew towards females in the DA universe by now, the direction they are taking the writing has changed significantly since DA:O, were they tried to represent feudal medieval europe more accurately, and it has since then taken steps towards a more sanitized high fantasy setting.
Haven't argued against that, just mentioning there do exist a counterbalance to the all female chantry glass ceiling in the lore.
That said, there do exist a skew towards females in the DA universe by now, the direction they are taking the writing has changed significantly since DA:O, were they tried to represent feudal medieval europe more accurately, and it has since then taken steps towards a more sanitized high fantasy setting.
The way I see it is that ME is skewed toward straight males and male power fantasy with Asari race, more male in power, and more LI for straight males. DA is skewed toward straight women with girl power and more LI for straight women. I don't mind people complaining, but at the end of the day, it's all self interest. It's not about equal representation, it's about more representation for the group I belong to or concern with. It's hypocritical to say I'm against this but have no problem with the other.
Almost all the people you mentioned are bad guys or ruined their own countries or under the rule of females while there are a lot more diversity with females. Duncan is not the top Warden, it was Elthina. Loghain is under Anora's rule.
Successful leaders of any gender are rare in Dragon Age, and only really in the gift of the protagonist. (Bhelan, Anora, Alistair, Celene, Gaspard)
Duncan is Warden-Commander of Fereldan, just like Warden-Commander Clarel. Loghain is very much the ruler of Fereldan, which is why Anora needs to rely on the protagonist to bring him down.
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