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[Spin-Orbit]

Could you solo NM with an assassin on Red Templars?

Drasca can you post the video?

 

also stats?

[Spin-Orbit]

Most likely, I hope not though. I'm still sad at what happened to the poor Arcane Warrior - that most builds suggest ignoring the spirit blade means something went wrong.

 

The one thing that does make the old Arcane Warrior somewhat stronger than Pala is that she does rely somewhat more on gear than the Arcane Warrior did, that's my one reason I'm hoping she may avoid being completely nerfed. Sadly, I think a some sort of nerf is inevitable, just have to hope it doesn't break her for anyone with bellow 100 in all stats.

Perhaps they will be more light handed, don't really know why they went so heavy handed with AW. Perhaps it was all the anti-AW lobby, i really don't know.

[Wavebend]

And it's not only the assassin. If you really say that all classes become OP at high stats: I'd like to know if you could solo NM with a katari, a hunter, an alchemist, an archer, a keeper, etc

[Theghostof_timmy]

The problem with Pala is she actually has good abilities. Nothing you invest in her isn't useful; the same can't be said for the other characters. Seems to me the best way to balance her is simply remove Hidden Blades. Why does she have that anyway? Everybody who's running super-op dps builds use that for the multihit, super high damage ranged attack. Seems to me she was designed to be in the fray, hacking away at everything in sight, not spamming throwing daggers constantly.

[Spin-Orbit]

And it's not only the assassin. If you really say that all classes become OP at high stats: I'd like to know if you could solo NM with a katari, a hunter, an alchemist, an archer, a keeper, etc

Agreed on the stats, can confirm on Reaver, Katari, Lego, dualist and AW. I would say you can with alchemist, templar, avvar, and archer. i am not much of a mage so others can confirm on keeper, elementalist, virtuoso, necro.    

 

you also need to separate these players from others as well for solo considerations. After the recent glitch keep in mind many more have these stats.

 

those with -

 

170 each stat  - veterans maxed defense

200 each stat - maxed defense, every hit a crit

300+ con/willpower - survivability and ability to hit hard  base x 150% x crit damage (130%+ with hakkon weapons) (math is only to show willpower additive)

[Drasanil]

The problem with Pala is she actually has good abilities. 

 

This is why we can't have nice things. 

[TheThirdRace]

Stats: 79/115/118

 

Flow of Battle isn't the problem, Looked Like it Hurt either...

 

She could use a slight nerf on the Guard on Hit passive, nothing big, just a small nudge to lower the very high survivability at very high stats. In any case, you can still die with my stats, Red Templars being the worst culprit. She can also be pretty powerless against shields if you build her too "offensive".

 

I'm about #60 on the leaderboard with those stats, that means there isn't a whole lot of people able to be very strong with her. Destroying her with a big nerf would make her subpar for 99%+ of the player base while still being very strong for the top 1%. The thing is, everything is very strong for the top 1%, why try to balance around them? They played the game, they earned their stats, let them be overpowered. If they find it too easy, good news, there's a Heartbreaker difficulty...

[Drasca]

Could you solo NM with an assassin on Red Templars? If yes, then I'm wondering why you didn't point this out sooner, because I have no experience playing at higher promotions.

 

LOL .Don't play the telephone game and change the context. The problem with your statement and Helen's is the context is completely different. The context of Helen's is 'can solo most stuff', which means not needing anyone else to fight or support. It does not mean clearing everything (though I could) since I can one or two shot everything at high level and re-stealth.

 

I didn't point it out because I thought that being able to solo with OP stats, gear, and skill wasn't actual news to you. 

 

Its actually really easy to do Red Templars when solo stealth assassin too, when you're already used to playing assassin on an expert level and have the gear for it.

[Theghostof_timmy]

I see another thunderdome coming up... I see this thread has outlived its usefulness.

[Drasca]

And it's not only the assassin. If you really say that all classes become OP at high stats: I'd like to know if you could solo NM with a katari, a hunter, an alchemist, an archer, a keeper, etc

 

All those become absolutely disgusting with hakkon weapons and high stats. Some more-so than others. Note I still don't have all the Hakkon weapons, unlike you lucky people.

[HelenCarnate]

I think the big part of the OPness of several characters is not the promotions but the gear. The right weapon procs and stats make a huge difference in game play with the same characters.

[scene_cachet]

She is OP but she doesn't bug me as much as the AW did. 

 

I think she is more of a hero instead of a solo artist. I run around here and there killing all the ranged then run back and save people from attacks. 

[Spin-Orbit]

I think the big part of the OPness of several characters is not the promotions but the gear. The right weapon procs and stats make a huge difference in game play with the same characters.

I agree that equipment makes a big difference and as long as BW comes out with new weapons and accessories on each new patch, this will continue

 

 

She is OP but she doesn't bug me as much as the AW did. 

 

I think she is more of a hero instead of a solo artist. I run around here and there killing all the ranged then run back and save people from attacks. 

That is very subjective

 

LOL .Don't play the telephone game and change the context. The problem with your statement and Helen's is the context is completely different. The context of Helen's is 'can solo most stuff', which means not needing anyone else to fight or support. It does not mean clearing everything (though I could) since I can one or two shot everything at high level and re-stealth.

 

I didn't point it out because I thought that being able to solo with OP stats, gear, and skill wasn't actual news to you. 

 

Its actually really easy to do Red Templars when solo stealth assassin too, when you're already used to playing assassin on an expert level and have the gear for it.

Drasca if you can one or two shot everything in nightmare we are looking at doing pride demons, templar knights in 2 shots continuously then your stats are much higher than what Helen originally was discussing 150/across the board. That wasn't the original question or discussion. It is at 150 stats soloing NM.

 

I see another thunderdome coming up... I see this thread has outlived its usefulness.

I don't want to see this thread take a destructive negative turn, all that does is quash people's desire express their opinions and thoughts.

[HelenCarnate]

LOL .Don't play the telephone game and change the context. The problem with your statement and Helen's is the context is completely different. The context of Helen's is 'can solo most stuff', which means not needing anyone else to fight or support. It does not mean clearing everything (though I could) since I can one or two shot everything at high level and re-stealth.

 

I didn't point it out because I thought that being able to solo with OP stats, gear, and skill wasn't actual news to you. 

 

Its actually really easy to do Red Templars when solo stealth assassin too, when you're already used to playing assassin on an expert level and have the gear for it.

Yes that is exactly what I meant.  Cannot say until I get there but I probably would not be able to clear everything including the boss solo.  Some things will still be trouble, but I won't need to panic if everyone wipes and I am stuck cleaning up the mess on say room 4.

[Spin-Orbit]

Yes that is exactly what I meant.  Cannot say until I get there but I probably would not be able to clear everything including the boss solo.  Some things will still be trouble, but I won't need to panic if everyone wipes and I am stuck cleaning up the mess on say room 4.

Tanking and soloing are two very different scenarios. You will be able to tank way earlier than solo, in fact you should be able to tank at much lower stats given the right equipment.

[Drasca]

Drasca if you can one or two shot everything in nightmare we are looking at doing pride demons, templar knights in 2 shots continuously then your stats are much higher than what Helen originally was discussing 150/across the board. That wasn't the original question or discussion. It is at 150 stats soloing NM.

 

LOL SO, you don't realize just how low the enemy health really is vs the BiS Hakkon Gear (or really Dragon and above) and the right build. I'm not the only one able to two shot them, and while my stats are higher than 150, the original context is basically not being carried all the time, not solo'ing NM everything (and fast).

 

You've got the wrong idea on what helen was proposing, as evidenced by helen's reply to my comment earlier being correct. You've missed the point, that helen will do just fine in NM as promotes, skill and gear come.

 

NM is also not nearly as hard as you currently think. It is annoying to do most certainly.

 

PS: I didn't state the specifics on how to two shot before, but I did mention as an assassin you can remain stealthed. That means bypassing their ability to generate guard / barrier because it won't be up initially, and able to hit them for health directly-- which is far lower than their guard & barrier. In a team setting, the enemy will be CC'ed, kited or killed quickly regardless however as there's multiple ways of dealing with them.

 

Tanking and soloing are two very different scenarios. You will be able to tank way earlier than solo, in fact you should be able to tank at much lower stats given the right equipment.

 

As others have stated multiple times before, can be done at zero stats and equipment with Lego at high level, played & setup right. No gear required really. Tanking can be done starting with a fresh account with the right player + build.

[ottffsse]

50/84/80. Yes she can quite easily die to red Templar shadow bang gang squads cause they don't auto panic from your passives and they have enough dps to out damage your guard gen but even here notice how I said Multiple shadows most characters can get insta hacked by just one of these. And that is on nightmare after about lvl 17 once you have your key passives. If not careful a gang of shield mooks and the 7+ despair demons in zone 4 can ruin your day. Especially if you get caught in a nasty maze of ice beams. But this only happens when you run without an actual cc character to disable said threats. I find her still on the op side cause all it requires to not die is to mesh two buttons: throwing and spinning blades and just keep guard up. Just mesh buttons as fast as possible without thinking. On occasion do a bull charge and spam a 4th ability of your choice to victory and profit.

[coffbear7]

I don't as yet have a dog in this fight. I am still on the PS3. I want to migrate to the PS4. SO please indulge my take on the issue of nerfing this latest and powerful character as understood by the latest forum postings.

 

I say,if it will ever be nerfed, let it be right now. Right now. Not 1 or 2 months from now. Right now. No more Arcane warrior baloney. No more nerfing characters abilities that reduce their damage output or survivabilty period. IMO the best character change made thus far has been for the Katari. I don't get all the balancing act stuff.

 

If its gonna happen, let it happen right now! Better yet, leave it alone. I would not like to see people that can't migrate to the next Gen platforms right now find out that if they had just migrated a month earlier they would have benifited from all that OP'ness. Its happened too many times already. The zone 5 health font room change. An example of a change that should have occuerd within the first few weeks or not at all.

[Samahl na Revas]

I run savage thorn and hakkon dagger, and take naps during knockdown and still maintain guard.  For experience players yes OP. 

 

Something just hit me, she is better than the AW. Where are the threads asking for AW nerf? 

 

Honestly,  she may need a tiny nerf.

[Zorinho20_CRO]

71/56/72

I played FC NM pug with 3 other SS and they died like flies.I have nice gear(no Hakkon though),so didn't have such problems.

[Courtnehh]

Why don't we just leave this fun class alone and focus on buffing weaker characters.

[Silversmurf]

Why don't we just leave this fun class alone and focus on buffing weaker characters.

 

I agree.

 

I already stated in another thread I was wrong about this character being over powered.  It's just my stats are high, plus that crazy Hakkon + Savage.

[Dieb]

26/51/11 (I kid you not)

 

Playing with once-high-tier equip, twin Blades of Red Birth.

 

She's not OP, while evidently nothing probably is for me, I find her well-balanced. However, she's very useful in any team on Perilous, which I dare say should also be the mark. I would rank her with the instantly stronger characters (or "easier to reach good results with"), like Cyrian, Isabela or Korbin.

[konfeta]

M'kay, she is horrifically overpowered. My evidence is that I dived into a Nightmare public game and got my first ever 4 nightmare dragon kills with no complications (i.e. I think i only died twice before I learned how to work around venatori shield parties). Even salvaged my first Hakkon weapon, praise be to the rude troll of the stupid longsword!

 

I almost think her % damage reduction per nearby enemy talent is bugged (or the radius is bigger than I think). The few times my guard was stripped, I took shockingly little damage from enemy attacks on my health. The only thing that could put a sizable dent in my guard bar was stalker backstabs (they took slightly over half of it), and I have 19 constitution.

[Spin-Orbit]

LOL SO, you don't realize just how low the enemy health really is vs the BiS Hakkon Gear (or really Dragon and above) and the right build. I'm not the only one able to two shot them, and while my stats are higher than 150, the original context is basically not being carried all the time, not solo'ing NM everything (and fast).

 

You've got the wrong idea on what helen was proposing, as evidenced by helen's reply to my comment earlier being correct. You've missed the point, that helen will do just fine in NM as promotes, skill and gear come.

 

NM is also not nearly as hard as you currently think. It is annoying to do most certainly.

 

PS: I didn't state the specifics on how to two shot before, but I did mention as an assassin you can remain stealthed. That means bypassing their ability to generate guard / barrier because it won't be up initially, and able to hit them for health directly-- which is far lower than their guard & barrier. In a team setting, the enemy will be CC'ed, kited or killed quickly regardless however as there's multiple ways of dealing with them.

 

 

As others have stated multiple times before, can be done at zero stats and equipment with Lego at high level, played & setup right. No gear required really. Tanking can be done starting with a fresh account with the right player + build.

Drasca

 

Two things - one i have over 200 NM runs and stats over 150 across, all Hakkons. I know what i am talking about and unless you will go into stealth and wait for the cooldowns before making every attack, your claims don't add up

 

if you can do it at 0 stats, put up a video or don't claim it. Just a poor boorish behavior