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[BansheeOwnage]

How the heck did the Inquisitor know they were "inside" a titan? She says the deep roads felt different, more organic, then the camera does the completely over-dramatic zoom on her face, and she declares that we're inside one. What? That seems like a huge logic jump to me, with no evidence.

 

(Not to mention that dramatic zoom seemed like something you'd see in a spoof. I actually burst out in uncontrollable laughter when it happened. Wish I had taken a video.)

 

In case you haven't guessed, this DLC left a bitter taste in my mouth, mostly because of the ending. Seems familiar. I wanted it to answer questions, not raise more without even answering the original ones. *sigh* I need a serious palate cleanser now. First DLC I regret buying

[Ashaantha]

That's only because you used the Arcane Knowledge perk dialogue choice there. Of course Inquisitor can connect the dots if she/he has studied that much into anything arcane/out of the ordinary. Though I'm not a fan of that "dramatic zoom" part haha.

[Hudathan]

Because the Inquisitor knows more than we do.

[Reznore57]

Well you can hear some kind of beating heart when you get in the last part , so ...

But chances are the Inquisitor pulled that guess out of his/her a** for dramatic effect.

[BansheeOwnage]

That's only because you used the Arcane Knowledge perk dialogue choice there. Of course Inquisitor can connect the dots if she/he has studied that much into anything arcane/out of the ordinary. Though I'm not a fan of that "dramatic zoom" part haha.

Because the Inquisitor knows more than we do.

Clearly she does, but I'm asking why. Yeah, I chose the Arcane Knowledge option, but I find it unlikely someone with access mostly to circle-related lore (or even elven and tevinter lore) would be able to correctly deduce that the rock cavern you're standing in is somehow part of a living creature that you can't see and doesn't move. Everything around them looks completely mundane, except the lyrium. No reason to assume anything except that you're in a cavern. The "feels more alive" part could easily just be because of the lyrium.

 

Haha, yeah... that zoom. I want a gif of it.

 

Well you can hear some kind of beating heart when you get in the last part , so ...

But chances are the Inquisitor pulled that guess out of his/her a** for dramatic effect.

Yeah, seems that way... because it really is a guess at best.

[Ashaantha]

I can't fully remember right now, did Valta say lyrium was the Titan's blood before this little dialogue came up? I know it is around the same time, if it was beforehand then the guess is a little bit more educated then mere flight of fancy. If it was afterwards, then I've got nothing..

 

(I want a gif of that zoom too, for reasons)

[BansheeOwnage]

I can't fully remember right now, did Valta say lyrium was the Titan's blood before this little dialogue came up? I know it is around the same time, if it was beforehand then the guess is a little bit more educated then mere flight of fancy. If it was afterwards, then I've got nothing..

 

(I want a gif of that zoom too, for reasons)

I can't remember either. Was going to leave a save beforehand, but forgot. You're right that it's not as much of a stretch if they established (through more guessing) that lyrium was its blood, but... it would take a lot more than that to convince me that a cave system is part of a living creature, let alone suggest declare it with absolute confidence. Obviously, and not surprisingly, the Inquisitor is much more confident than I am

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I didn't really see anything strange with that deduction. Then again I figured we would be inside the Titan for a while before the Inquisitor said it.

[Statare]

That ending in general.... Like... It was pretty clear to me that Valta left the room and we were left talking to a Valta Plus Passenger type thing, but oh no. My Inquisitor was like "you say you're fine in a really weird way, but whatever! See ya! Have fun with these horrible Dwarf zombies who killed your friend and tried to destroy Orzammar!"

 

Edit: It's kind of weird our Inquisitors can pull the whole "we're INSIDE the Titan thing" but could not really figure out that Valta seemed to be under the Titan's influence at the end. Another Corypheus/Larius/Janeka moment?

[katerinafm]

That ending in general.... Like... It was pretty clear to me that Valta left the room and we were left talking to a Valta Plus Passenger type thing, but oh no. My Inquisitor was like "you say you're fine in a really weird way, but whatever! See ya! Have fun with these horrible Dwarf zombies who killed your friend and tried to destroy Orzammar!"

 

Edit: It's kind of weird our Inquisitors can pull the whole "we're INSIDE the Titan thing" but could not really figure out that Valta seemed to be under the Titan's influence at the end. Another Corypheus/Larius/Janeka moment?

 

Definitely felt like it. Hawke was all 'everything looks fine even though youre talking weird let's go' too.

[TEWR]

 

Honestly what I thought of as I saw the zoom. But I liked it personally.

 

As for how the Inquisitor is able to come to that conclusion, I've got a few ideas, but I'm trying to get Inquisition to not crash to my desktop as I try and load the save before the final push.

 

If it ever does load and I can finish this DLC, I'll chime in my two cents.

 

(honestly Inquisition has been giving me a shitload of trouble in various ways since Day 1. It's beginning to feel like a job without pay to play this damn thing rather then being something fun).

[BansheeOwnage]

I didn't really see anything strange with that deduction. Then again I figured we would be inside the Titan for a while before the Inquisitor said it.

Really? Huh. I mean, I figured lyrium was the blood of the stone or a titan, but not that.

 

That ending in general.... Like... It was pretty clear to me that Valta left the room and we were left talking to a Valta Plus Passenger type thing, but oh no. My Inquisitor was like "you say you're fine in a really weird way, but whatever! See ya! Have fun with these horrible Dwarf zombies who killed your friend and tried to destroy Orzammar!"

 

Edit: It's kind of weird our Inquisitors can pull the whole "we're INSIDE the Titan thing" but could not really figure out that Valta seemed to be under the Titan's influence at the end. Another Corypheus/Larius/Janeka moment?

Definitely felt like it. Hawke was all 'everything looks fine even though youre talking weird let's go' too.

That bugs me to no end. One of the only times in Inquisition I feel like the Inquisitor is a vessel I've lost control of. I mean... *I* know something really weird is happening (and like you said, she should too), but I can't say anything remotely like it. Silly protagonists-being-forced-to-be-dumb-so-they-can-have-possessed-DLC-characters-achieve-godhood-in-the-next-main-game.

 

And since the DLC didn't have any choices (even JoH had minor but enjoyable ones), I would have liked to be able to either leave her there as she wishes, kill her because she's dangerous/possessed/something wierd (not that I would be likely to do that), or knock her out and drag her with you to Orzammar/Skyhold to figure out if she's really okay and try to help if she's not. And study her magic, because I mean, come on!

 

Alas, no one will speak of any of this outside the DLC Because I'm sure Dagna wouldn't want to hear about any of this...

 

Edit: Which reminds me: There was no one to judge in this DLC. Sad face!

[Aulis Vaara]

Yes, Dagna should have been involved. In fact, she should always have been involved AND a party member. Much like scout Harding.

[drummerchick]

...

 

Edit: Which reminds me: There was no one to judge in this DLC. Sad face!

The Inquisitor is judged this time.  

[BansheeOwnage]

Yes, Dagna should have been involved. In fact, she should always have been involved AND a party member. Much like scout Harding.

Agreed 100%. Absolutely bizarre not to involve her in some way.

 

The Inquisitor is judged this time.  

I literally just did that, and... it wasn't funny. The nugs were funny, but the Inquisitor's lines? What? Why are you saying these things? It might have actually been funny if it actually judged you in the same way you would, instead of the cutscene just ending.

[Nixou]

How the heck did the Inquisitor know they were "inside" a titan?

 

 

The writers decided that a knowledgeable Inquisitor would be able connect the dots as well as its player, in order to avoid the dissonance which happens when players have already guessed what's happensing while the characters they play remain clueless.

[Knight of Dane]

Really? Huh. I mean, I figured lyrium was the blood of the stone or a titan, but not that.

 

That bugs me to no end. One of the only times in Inquisition I feel like the Inquisitor is a vessel I've lost control of. I mean... *I* know something really weird is happening (and like you said, she should too), but I can't say anything remotely like it. Silly protagonists-being-forced-to-be-dumb-so-they-can-have-possessed-DLC-characters-achieve-godhood-in-the-next-main-game.

 

And since the DLC didn't have any choices (even JoH had minor but enjoyable ones), I would have liked to be able to either leave her there as she wishes, kill her because she's dangerous/possessed/something wierd (not that I would be likely to do that), or knock her out and drag her with you to Orzammar/Skyhold to figure out if she's really okay and try to help if she's not. And study her magic, because I mean, come on!

 

Alas, no one will speak of any of this outside the DLC Because I'm sure Dagna wouldn't want to hear about any of this...

 

Edit: Which reminds me: There was no one to judge in this DLC. Sad face!

 

The choice didn't even have to be successful I think. It's important in RPG's to have these choices, even if she would have used this new power to get away anyway. Choosing a stance if oftem more important than the action it leads to when role playing.

[M4RVELOUS_MiKE]

The real question I think one should ask is; do you prefer a dialouge choice present where the playable character draws conclusions you might not have drawn, or do you prefer that there be no dialouge choice at all, with the playable character standing clueless to facts that might be completely obvious to you as a player?

 

Spoiler

I would personally go with the former. I personally made the same conclusion as the Inquisitor the very moment I saw the entity that later turned into the Guardian. The whole thing reminded greatly of a heart. And in hindsight the dwarven protectors can be compared to antibodies. Considering Bioware's crush on all things being allegory, I didn't find much of a problem with that particular dialouge choice.

[BansheeOwnage]

 

The writers decided that a knowledgeable Inquisitor would be able connect the dots as well as its player, in order to avoid the dissonance which happens when players have already guessed what's happensing while the characters they play remain clueless.

 

That's a bit condescending, isn't it? To say I'm not knowledgeable enough to make the "obvious" connection? They might have expected us to figure it out, but they have quite a biased view, because they already know. It's hindsight. That doesn't mean I think it's obvious. I get what you mean about figuring out something before the character, but... I guess other people just had an easier time guessing this than I did. Probably because I think the fact that rock is somehow alive is ridiculous. I think it's a childish addition to DA, so I suppose naturally I wouldn't expect it.

 

The other problem is the Arcane Knowledge answer didn't paraphrase that you were inside it, only that it felt "different" here. Naturally, I chose it because I can't "feel" the deep roads like the characters can. Does the Inquisitor always guess correctly, or only with that perk?

 

The choice didn't even have to be successful I think. It's important in RPG's to have these choices, even if she would have used this new power to get away anyway. Choosing a stance if oftem more important than the action it leads to when role playing.

You're not wrong, but there wasn't a choice at all. You can't state your uneasiness about Valta potentially being enthralled, whether it makes a difference or not. It would be different if you tried to grab her and she retaliated, but you can't try.

 

The real question I think one should ask is; do you prefer a dialouge choice present where the playable character draws conclusions you might not have drawn, or do you prefer that there be no dialouge choice at all, with the playable character standing clueless to facts that might be completely obvious to you as a player?

 

Spoiler

I would personally go with the former. I personally made the same conclusion as the Inquisitor the very moment I saw the entity that later turned into the Guardian. The whole thing reminded greatly of a heart. And in hindsight the dwarven protectors can be compared to antibodies. Considering Bioware's crush on all things being allegory, I didn't find much of a problem with that particular dialouge choice.

To answer this correctly I need to know if Quizzy only declares you're inside it if you choose the Arcane Knowledge response, or if she does after every response.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Really? Huh. I mean, I figured lyrium was the blood of the stone or a titan, but not that.

I credit Transformers. That franchise made walking inside city-sized to even planet-sized beings seem perfectly normal. 

[TEWR]

Edit: It's kind of weird our Inquisitors can pull the whole "we're INSIDE the Titan thing" but could not really figure out that Valta seemed to be under the Titan's influence at the end. Another Corypheus/Larius/Janeka moment?

 

 

To be entirely fair, Corypheus was a case of his will superimposing itself over another person's body and they were no longer there. At all. Or if they were, they were trapped within themselves, screaming on the inside as they look at what they're doing until Cory decides to body morph them.

 

This thing with the Titan is more of a connection between the two, which anyone with sufficient Stone Sense would have, that is symbiotic in nature. She's not really under the influence of the Titan. She's perfectly in control of herself and simply wishes to remain.

 

"you say you're fine in a really weird way, but whatever! See ya! Have fun with these horrible Dwarf zombies who killed your friend and tried to destroy Orzammar!"

 

 

I'm glad the DLC did address this afterwards though through a codex on the Sha-Brytol, by saying that they now fear her and are leaving her alone as a result of what happened.