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[ExoGeniVI]

I don't mean in a fight, i mean which organization has better political, military, usefulness, numbers and power.

[Treacherous J Slither]

The Jedi Order is comprised of complete and utter morons.

Space 00s all the way.

[Killroy]

There's no way to answer this. Not only are these 2 groups completely dissimilar, the Jedi Order has fluctuated wildly in number and power.

[ExoGeniVI]

Yes I would take a Mandalorian Sith any day over a Jedi.

[N7Jamaican]

Jedi Order.  I really don't see much of a comparison between Spectre's and Jedi Order.

 

Spectre's are the law, above the law, and don't answer to the law.  They do as they see fit, and report (if they even want to) to the council.  One spectre can be on a mission and not know what the other spectre is even doing.

 

I would compare them more to the Sith.

[FKA_Servo]

Jedi is both singular and plural, so the likelihood of apostrophe abuse when discussing them is far lower.

[MrStoob]

Jedi is both singular and plural, so the likelihood of apostrophe abuse when discussing them is far lower.

Oh, I'm sure someone can throw in a "Jedi's" as well.

[Broganisity]

Political: Spectres are the Right Hand of the Council, the authority of the Galaxy. The can do whatever they need to in order to ensure their mission. Jedi are bound more by their own codes and by the Galaxy's.

Military: Spectres have access to the best equipment and are pulled from the best of the Galaxy's species. Jedi fluctuate here, but generally speaking retain the same robes and laser swords. They also take longer to train and from an earlier age whereas Spectres are recruited once they are ready.

Usefulness: A lone Spectre united and saved the entire Galaxy, with some help. A lone Jedi-turned-sith destroyed their own order once and brought about a change of government, with some help.

Numbers: Spectres are the few and the proud. Jedi fluxuate here too much. I'd argue that pre-Episode Three that the Spectres are heavily outnumbered, but contain 100% less children.

Power:  Individual skills vary.

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Jedi fluxuate too wildly as Killroy said. What's more, the Spectres are a government group whereas the Jedi are more of a Religious Order of Space Samurai. You then have to figure out which is more useful/powerful: Biotics or The Force.

In the end though, I'd say that if you were to have a lone Spectre fight a lone Jedi (which they probably wouldn't do unless the Spectre was hilariously renegade) that the Spectre would be able to  use the Justicar Jedi Code against them and emerge victoriously.

[Feybrad]

Jedi are able to use Space Magic more consistently. Jedi win.

[N7Jamaican]

Political: Spectres are the Right Hand of the Council, the authority of the Galaxy. The can do whatever they need to in order to ensure their mission. Jedi are bound more by their own codes and by the Galaxy's.

Military: Spectres have access to the best equipment and are pulled from the best of the Galaxy's species. Jedi fluctuate here, but generally speaking retain the same robes and laser swords. They also take longer to train and from an earlier age whereas Spectres are recruited once they are ready.

Usefulness: A lone Spectre united and saved the entire Galaxy, with some help. A lone Jedi-turned-sith destroyed their own order once and brought about a change of government, with some help.

Numbers: Spectres are the few and the proud. Jedis fluxuate here too much. I'd argue that Episode Three that the Spectres are heavily outnumbered, but contain 100% less children.

Power:  Individual skills vary.

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Jedi fluxuate too wildly as Killroy said. What's more, the Spectres are a government group whereas the Jedi are more of a Religious Order of Space Samurai. You then have to figure out which is more useful/powerful: Biotics or The Force.

In the end though, I'd say that if you were to have a lone Spectre fight a lone Jedi (which they probably wouldn't do unless the Spectre was hilariously renegade) that the Spectre would be able to  use the Justicar Jedi Code against them and emerge victoriously.

 

 

This!

 

I wish BioWare could expand on Spectres, like giving us more background and some side-stories about some crucial missions.  We only know of a few Spectres, making me to believe the work that they do is soo secretive, too top secret, that it is best if the general/immediate public should not be aware of this.

[Mdizzletr0n]

Yea.. I'm going Jedi with most of this. Spectres win on political and maybe numbers (since we don't know how many there really are). Also, I'll always choose the faction with light sabers because I prefer melee over shooting. I know, its silly but LIGHT SABERS

[Il Divo]

Jedi in general seem to have access to more impressive abilities, especially in the Expanded Universe. Spectres, on the other hand, have much fewer moral constraints in terms of how to get the job done. As long as they are effective, they can use any tool available.

 

Regarding numbers: If I remember right, in ME1, Anderson/Udina theorize that there are about 100 Spectres in operation at that time.

[StealthGamer92]

I dont't mean in a fight, i mean which organization has better political, military, usefulness, numbers and power.

Idealist are useless to me, so SPECTER win.

[FKA_Servo]

Idealist's ...SPECTER's

 

[StealthGamer92]

Let's compare the Jedi to the Assassin from AC. Both have been hunted to near extinction before. What is the one thing they have in common? Their idealistic organization's that strictly follow their ideal with no room for realists in them. The SPECTRER? They may get idealist's accepted, but the organization is very much a realist centered one, and as such will survive like the Templar and....nothing in SW as sith are another idealist group...anyway to the Templar point they're founded on an Ideal but operate in a realist fashion and as such maintain the uperhand. Also I must admit none of these group's can be completely destroyed as you can't kill an ideal, as Haytham said in AC3(though he didn't see it applied to the Assassin too).

 

EDIT: Renegade for life!

[FKA_Servo]

Assassin's

organization's

SPECTRER's

idealist's 

Templar's

group's 

Assassin's

 

[StealthGamer92]

Problem's?

[Feybrad]

Problem's?

 

Yes.

[StealthGamer92]

Yes.

Ok. I guess there's some joke here I'm not in on then.

[Cyonan]

Overall I would go with the Spectres, since from what I've seen the Jedi Order is largely incompetent despite having impressive abilities.

 

Though it would be awesome to watch a Jedi/Sith and a Vanguard have a fight.

[Broganisity]

Ok. I guess there's some joke here I'm not in on then.

The apostrophe. It implies someone owns something.

"That's (That is) Bob's. (owned by Bob)" that thing belongs to Bob.

"That's (That is) Bobs. (More than one Bob)" That is more than one Bob.

[Quarian Master Race]

Jedi have literal magic such as precognition working for them, so they are the obvious choice at first glance. Despite this, they seem to be pretty awesome at getting murderized (albiet by other magic beings) and their entire order destroyed in stupid ways despite these abilities, so it wouldn't surprise me if they lost.

[N7Jamaican]

Jedi think they are heros. Ugh.

[The Heretic of Time]

Depends on whether we're talking about pre-Old Republic or post-Old Republic. During the Old Republic, the Jedi were very plentiful and powerful. The Spectres are much smaller in numbers. So they wouldn't stand a chance.

However, after the fall of the Old Republic, the Jedi knights became a mere shadow of what they once were. So if we're talking post-Old Republic, then I think the Spectres win, simply because the Spectres are small in numbers by design and aren't held back by the law or any moral codes unlike the Jedi.

[N7Jamaican]

Depends on whether we're talking about pre-Old Republic or post-Old Republic. During the Old Republic, the Jedi were very plentiful and powerful. The Spectres are much smaller in numbers. So they wouldn't stand a chance.

However, after the fall of the Old Republic, the Jedi knights became a mere shadow of what they once were. So if we're talking post-Old Republic, then I think the Spectres win, simply because the Spectres are small in numbers by design and aren't held back by the law or any moral codes unlike the Jedi.

 

 

You talking about KoToR 1-2 & SWTOR ? Because you're right, they are plentiful and powerful.  But they don't act or do anything, just like the Jedi Order in the first 6 movies.