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[The Heretic of Time]

You talking about KoToR 1-2 & SWTOR ?

 

Those games take place before the fall of the Old Republic, don't they? So yes.

[Larry-3]

Jedi study and train hard their while childhood and teen years to be the best. Most have a technique for just about any sisuation. In the Old Republic, Jedi became private detectives, political ambassadors, military advisers and many other things when not at a temple. Aside from their schooling, they do have their abilities to fallback on. Though most do not like to use that excuse. Jedi can pull ships out of the sky, self-heal, run at great speeds, influence minds, control energy, jump really high, create lightning, break bones with their minds... a few have even learned how to absorb energy with their hands. Does Spectre's do all of this?

[DarthSliver]

I am going with Jedi Order because than I can become corrupted and become a Sith 

[EmissaryofLies]

Inspectors are above the law.

[SpaceLobster]

"They shall be my finest warriors, these men who give of themselves to me. Like clay I shall mould them and in the furnace of war forge them. They shall be of iron will and steel sinew. In great armour I shall clad them and with the mightiest weapons they will be armed. They will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight them. They shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe can best them in battle. They are my bulwark against the Terror. They are the Defenders of Humanity. They are my Space Marines and they shall know no fear."

The Adeptus Astertes wins everytime, they have numbers, are not bothered by laws* and are (lore-wise) overpowered.

 

*They can do basically anything that is necessary, as long as they do it for the Emperor.

[N7Jamaican]

SPIKE TV (are they still around?[I rarely watch TV btw]) used to have a show where they would pit warriors from various cultures, using various weapons, techniques, and combat styles...

 

This would make for a great show..

 

N7 soldiers [STG/Arlak Co./Asari Commando, etc] vs. Jedi

[SpaceLobster]

SPIKE TV (are they still around?[I rarely watch TV btw]) used to have a show where they would pit warriors from various cultures, using various weapons, techniques, and combat styles...

 

This would make for a great show..

 

N7 soldiers [STG/Arlak Co./Asari Commando, etc] vs. Jedi

I don't know a lot about TV from foreign countries, but are you talking about Deadliest Warrior? That was quite entertaining.

[N7Jamaican]

I don't know a lot about TV from foreign countries, but are you talking about Deadliest Warrior? That was quite entertaining.

 

Yes, Deadliest Warrior! Would be awesome to see Shepard vs Luke.  But which space magic would triumph?  And it depends on what class that Shepard is.

[Jehuty]

Sorry my man, but wrong forum section to post these kind of threads.

[SpaceLobster]

Yes, Deadliest Warrior! Would be awesome to see Shepard vs Luke.  But which space magic would triumph?  And it depends on what class that Shepard is.

There are quite a lot of ''versus'' vids(and channels) on youtube, like this one: https://www.youtube....h?v=Xg5MqnXLAdI (Shepard vs Boba Fett)

[N7Jamaican]

There are quite a lot of ''versus'' vids(and channels) on youtube, like this one: https://www.youtube....h?v=Xg5MqnXLAdI (Shepard vs Boba Fett)

Thanks, I'll check it out

[Galbrant]

The problem with Shepard he is the player's avatar and they are many variations of him or her do the number of classes, builds, personality, background and influences of the events of Mass Effect trilogy. So it would be difficult to settle on one particular Shepard. Any way doesn't matter. Expanded Universe Luke would destroy Shepard.  Any way Jedi Order or at least the one in the prequels were filthy hypocrites. They willing led a slave army.  Not the stoic heroes of justice I've been told. 

[BronzTrooper]

Honestly, I'd go with the Spectres.  If we take into account the Expanded Universe, then the Force is limited to life within the galaxy (in Star Wars, of course), so the Jedi wouldn't be able to sense for Spectres (assuming they already know they're fighting them), so they'd be at a huge disadvantage if they were ambushed by a Spectre/squad of Spectres.  The Spectres, likely figuring out they'd be outmatched in an all-out battle, would rely on stealth and ambushes to take out the Jedi.  The Spectres are used to working outside the confines of the law, and know how to remain undetected by a hostile government, so they'd have a huge advantage over the Jedi on that front.

 

In terms of technology, the Spectres are outmatched (the vast majority of weapons in Star Wars are energy based, to kinetic barriers would be utterly useless), but the Spectres would fight smart, using guerrilla tactics to inflict heavy casualties on the Jedi while limiting casualties on their side.  Jedi don't wear armor, so they'd be vulnerable to the weapons used by the Spectres.

 

There's also the fact that the Spectres do whatever they have to do to finish the job.  The Jedi Code would be more of a hindrance to them when facing the Spectres.  Not to mention there's bounty hunters in the Star Wars universe that can take on a Jedi on their own.  Hell, Pre Visla (Mandolorian commander of the Death Watch in Star Wars: Clone Wars (the series, not the movie)) was able to fight off Obi-Wan multiple times on his own, despite not being a Force-user, showing that one does not need to have access to the Force to take on a Jedi.  Granted, the number of bounty hunters that can handle a Jedi is rather low, but so are the numbers of the Spectres.

 

In the long run, the Spectres would win out over the Jedi.  Now, if we were talking Spectres vs. Sith, the answer wouldn't be all that clear.  The Sith are survivors, and they do whatever they want, so they could prove to be more than a match for the Spectres.

[ExoGeniVI]

There are quite a lot of ''versus'' vids(and channels) on youtube, like this one: https://www.youtube....h?v=Xg5MqnXLAdI (Shepard vs Boba Fett)

Jango is still the better fighter

[ExoGeniVI]

Honestly, I'd go with the Spectres.  If we take into account the Expanded Universe, then the Force is limited to life within the galaxy (in Star Wars, of course), so the Jedi wouldn't be able to sense for Spectres (assuming they already know they're fighting them), so they'd be at a huge disadvantage if they were ambushed by a Spectre/squad of Spectres.  The Spectres, likely figuring out they'd be outmatched in an all-out battle, would rely on stealth and ambushes to take out the Jedi.  The Spectres are used to working outside the confines of the law, and know how to remain undetected by a hostile government, so they'd have a huge advantage over the Jedi on that front.

 

In terms of technology, the Spectres are outmatched (the vast majority of weapons in Star Wars are energy based, to kinetic barriers would be utterly useless), but the Spectres would fight smart, using guerrilla tactics to inflict heavy casualties on the Jedi while limiting casualties on their side.  Jedi don't wear armor, so they'd be vulnerable to the weapons used by the Spectres.

 

There's also the fact that the Spectres do whatever they have to do to finish the job.  The Jedi Code would be more of a hindrance to them when facing the Spectres.  Not to mention there's bounty hunters in the Star Wars universe that can take on a Jedi on their own.  Hell, Pre Visla (Mandolorian commander of the Death Watch in Star Wars: Clone Wars (the series, not the movie)) was able to fight off Obi-Wan multiple times on his own, despite not being a Force-user, showing that one does not need to have access to the Force to take on a Jedi.  Granted, the number of bounty hunters that can handle a Jedi is rather low, but so are the numbers of the Spectres.

 

In the long run, the Spectres would win out over the Jedi.  Now, if we were talking Spectres vs. Sith, the answer wouldn't be all that clear.  The Sith are survivors, and they do whatever they want, so they could prove to be more than a match for the Spectres.

Nice post!

[LoneWolf3905]

Big star wars fan.

 

But I'm gonna go with Spectres.

[DaemionMoadrin]

The Jedi shouldn't ever be involved in galactic life. They are a monastic order, they'd be served best if they meditated in isolation.

 

The Jedi code is too abstract and too absolute to survive contact with reality, especially not during wars. This is one big reason why Jedis fall, why they turn to the Dark Side for more power... because their own code is not flexible enough.

 

The Sith code isn't any better though. It favours emotions over rationality, which doesn't really help with longterm planning. One big reason why the Sith never stay in power for very long.

 

Now, this would all point to the Spectres being "better"... but that organisation is a joke, too. We're talking about a secret organisation that inducts their members during a public ceremony viewed by the entire galaxy. Spectres can act where the Council can't... but that only works if no one knows that they are a Spectre... otherwise they act for the Council, like a diplomat given extraordinary rights. Sending a Spectre when an army would cause a war is pointless, the Spectre wouldn't be any better since they answer to the Council. Giving someone an exemption from laws but not giving them any resources is a recipe for abuse, too. And why aren't they given anything? The Council could easily give them a ship, a million credits and the newest gear and weapons and access to their spy network and it wouldn't even make a dent in their budget. But no, that would be efficient. Better to let them struggle and waste time on acquiring their own resources. That makes especially much sense for Salarian Spectres who don't really have the time to build everything up from scratch.

 

So. Everything is silly. Jedi or Spectre is a bad comparison in the first place and analyzing each side doesn't make it better.

[Han Shot First]

Jedi have literal magic such as precognition working for them, so they are the obvious choice at first glance. Despite this, they seem to be pretty awesome at getting murderized (albiet by other magic beings) and their entire order destroyed in stupid ways despite these abilities, so it wouldn't surprise me if they lost.

 

That is mainly because the EU is terrible.

 

Too many edgelord writers with a nerd boner for Sith, and unoriginal hacks who keep trying to emulate the film trilogy. George Lucas is partly responsible as well for making the extermination of the Jedi during the film series kind of lame.

[SolNebula]

Jedis are overrated.

SITH RULE!

 

Spectre's are more Sith than Jedis tbh.

[Han Shot First]

Jedis are overrated.

SITH RULE!

 

Spectre's are more Sith than Jedis tbh.

 

Spectres would be neutral in force alignment. If they were force users I could see them falling to the dark side, but as non-force users most of them are far from being lawful evil. 

[Br3admax]

I'm not sure why this is even a discussion. 

 

Politically, the Jedi have nothing to do with anything. Neither do the SPECTREs, so not sure why that's an option. I guess Jedi take this one by default, as they don't actually have to answer to the government.  

Militarily, the Jedi have always organized the only army the Republic seems to have and always leads them into battle, so the Jedi are clearly more useful there. 

The Jedi take numbers as well. Even NJO Jedi number in the thousands. 

Usefulness. Again, clearly the Jedi. Even with all of the uses of the SPECTREs, the Jedi have their own cloak-and-dagger organizations within their branches, and for the most part they are largely successful. And any type of claim against them can be used on the SPECTRES as well, Saren among many other Reaper related events come to mind. 

Power, would go to the SPECTREs of course. They can do literally anything within confines of the Council's approval, and Jedi can't.

 

And the idea that Jedi should go off and meditate in the deeps of space is ridiculous. The Jedi have been bound to the Galactic Republic almost from it's inception. The Jedi may not serve the same function they once did, but they are needed. As for the Force versus biotics, the notion that a biotic could do anything a Force user couldn't do better is ridiculous. And to the Jedi being lead by morons, last I checked the Citadel Council is also full of morons. 

[Dean_the_Young]

I don't mean in a fight, i mean which organization has better political, military, usefulness, numbers and power.

 

In order-

 

Political: Spectres (who answer to and are select tools of the ruling elite)

Military: Jedi (more numbers, more exceptional powers)

Usefulness: Jedi (Spectre status is wasted on special forces, Jedi do significant public goods and services)

Numbers: Jedi (Spectres number in the triple digits)

Power: Jedi

[DaemionMoadrin]

And the idea that Jedi should go off and meditate in the deeps of space is ridiculous. The Jedi have been bound to the Galactic Republic almost from it's inception. The Jedi may not serve the same function they once did, but they are needed.

 

And the Jedi have been falling for just as long, too.

 

Almost every single galactic conflict is the direct result of force users quarreling with each other.

 

As long as the Force is divided into light and dark, as long as all the philosophies about it are unclear... so long the Jedi will continue to fail when confronted with the non-standard situations.

 

Look at the Old Republic vs. Revan: Within a few years the entire Jedi order was destroyed and gone. While Revan had several ways of quickly converting Jedi into Sith, that wouldn't have happened so thoroughly if the Jedi code would allow them to express their emotions. I mean... they don't even get to marry. Luke changed that later on in the EU but I'm not sure how great he can be... cause he only defeated Darth Vader by going dark himself. And then he took it back and everything was fine again.

 

Bleh, silly Star Wars and it's silly but awesome stories.

[SardaukarElite]

Do SPECTREs actually do anything? Anderson didn't make it. Saren went rogue, then got shot. Vasir was corrupt then got shot. Nhilus got shot. Shepard got grounded, then went rogue to get rogue Saren, then got shot by that Collector ship, then went rogue again...

 

Jedi meanwhile are all dogfighting in their starfighters, blowing up AT-ATs, blowing up Death Stars, swashbuckling on sail barges, crushing planets, leading armies, dueling, and handwaving identification checks. Jedi are awesome.

[SpaceLobster]

Do SPECTREs actually do anything?

Yeah, it's not like they can save the Universe or something.