Yeah, it's not like they can save the Universe or something.
Eh, Shepard saved the universe, and being in the SPECTRES at that point is optional and entirely cosmetic. In the first game they sell you guns, provide mediocre intel and don't listen to your warnings, rest of the trilogy Shep has moved on to better employers.
rest of the trilogy Shep has moved on to better employers.
Yep, the Turian councilor had nothing to do with the Turian and, possibly, Krogan intervention, and discovering the Prothean VI on Thessia had no connection whatsoever to the Council.
being in the SPECTRES at that point is optional
Nope, Shepard was a Spectre in ME3 regardless of what you did (or didn't) in ME1/2.
entirely cosmetic.
Again, no, ever heard Shepard say ''Spectre authority''?
Eh, both seem equally prone to sudden betrayals and being shot in the back.
But I think I would have to go with the Jedi Order. Of course, things get a little more complicated if we take into the expansive and now non-canon EU, so I'm just going to stick with the new, smaller, and thus more consistent canon.
On the whole though, I actually think it is the Jedi who have more influence and power. The Spectres, despite given near Carte Blanche, are still servants of the council. They must receive their missions from the council and when they stray too far, can be disowned and stripped of power. Jedi by contrast seem to be separate from the Republic, but in alliance with it. Prior to Attack of the Clones, the Republic appears to have had no standing army and delegated all peacekeeping responsibilities to the Jedi.
While the Jedi code clearly establishes what the republic might expect from their peacekeepers, that is still a tremendous amount of power to have contracted out to a third party. Similarly, by Revenge of the Sith, Mace Windu seems to remark almost out of hand that the Jedi would have to take control of the Senate once Palpatine is deposed, indicating they either have the political clout or military might capable of a rapid coup. Lastly, unlike the Spectres who are beholden to the Council, Jedi affairs seem to be able to be handled completely internally as evidenced by The Clone Wars, where
As for a one on one fight, it all depends on the individuals. Shepard can take on whole platoons, but Obi Wan has no problem jumping into the the thick of the enemy army to confront Grievous. Similarly, Jondam Bau can be strangled by a lone human, and nameless Jedi can be easily gunned downed to heighten the drama. Spectres are chosen from the best, while Jedi skills are cultivated from childhood. The fact that combat is not not the sole purpose of the Jedi, but more of an afterthought up until the return of the Sith I think gives the advantage to Spectres in general, but again, it all depends on who is fighting who.
That is mainly because the EU is terrible.
Too many edgelord writers with a nerd boner for Sith, and unoriginal hacks who keep trying to emulate the film trilogy. George Lucas is partly responsible as well for making the extermination of the Jedi during the film series kind of lame.
This maybe the wrong thread for this but hell with it. They should make a movie with Darth Vader being the main character and it be about him hunting down the last remaining Jedi.
Again, no, ever heard Shepard say ''Spectre authority''?
Probably? I don't really remember. You're approaching this like a legal argument, yes SPECTREs technically did a bunch of stuff, I'm saying it never felt important - to me. The Council could give us info if we're working for the Alliance, we could have just as easily said N7 authority or Cerberus authority or whatever. Other than Shep SPECTREs seem to mostly be good at dying. Jedi meanwhile are grappling up AT-ATs and leaping over Sarlaacs.
But it wasn't a particularly serious point.
Well I don't feel you can really put the Jedi Order up like this against Spectres because both are out to keep the galaxy from falling into utter chaos. The Republic uses the Jedi Order for guidance on things from what I recall. Spectres are also probably more related to MI6 or James Bond because they will do what it takes to complete their mission. But I would say Spectres are more unrelated to the Jedi Order and its like trying to compare Apples to Oranges.
Yep, the Turian councilor had nothing to do with the Turian and, possibly, Krogan intervention, and discovering the Prothean VI on Thessia had no connection whatsoever to the Council.
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None of those require Shepard being a Spectre.
The only thing that even nominally required Shepard as a Spectre was the Genophage arc and going to the Salarian STG site... and the Dalatrass had to call to make an exception for that as well. There's no indicated reason Shepard couldn't have gotten in if they were just Alliance.
Really, ME3 is the story of Hackett's gopher. Pretty much everyone you deal with makes deals based on your patron (the Alliance-led Crucible Alliance) rather than anything else.
The only thing that even nominally required Shepard as a Spectre was the Genophage arc and going to the Salarian STG site... and the Dalatrass had to call to make an exception for that as well. There's no indicated reason Shepard couldn't have gotten in if they were just Alliance.
The Genophage arc started immdiately after the meeting with the Council. The Turian Councilor says you should contact the Primarch. I doubt you'd get a meeting with the Council with Shepard's ease if you're some random N7. Remember this line(or something like it): ''As a Council Spectre Shepard can oversee the exchange.'' It is also rather unlikely the Asari Councilor would contact you about the Thessia/Beacon-situation, especially if you aren't an Asari, unless you are a Spectre.
This maybe the wrong thread for this but hell with it. They should make a movie with Darth Vader being the main character and it be about him hunting down the last remaining Jedi.
Have you ever read Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader? Cause that's what that novel is about. Commendable effort of the author to turn the prequel Darth Vader into the one we saw in A New Hope.
I don't mean in a fight, i mean which organization has better political, military, usefulness, numbers and power.
For Pete's Sake,
No comparison between an "M" rated game and a PG movie made for teenagers.
SW has teddy bears (Ewoks) and Jar Jar Binks for chrissakes.
Why would the rating have any effect on the comparison being made? None of the things being discussed are hampered by the rating.
Do SPECTREs actually do anything? Anderson didn't make it. Saren went rogue, then got shot. Vasir was corrupt then got shot. Nhilus got shot. Shepard got grounded, then went rogue to get rogue Saren, then got shot by that Collector ship, then went rogue again...
Jedi meanwhile are all dogfighting in their starfighters, blowing up AT-ATs, blowing up Death Stars, swashbuckling on sail barges, crushing planets, leading armies, dueling, and handwaving identification checks. Jedi are awesome.
But thats during wars...
Why would the rating have any effect on the comparison being made? None of the things being discussed are hampered by the rating.
For Pete's Sake,
No comparison between an "M" rated game and a PG movie made for teenagers.
SW has teddy bears (Ewoks) and Jar Jar Binks for chrissakes.
At the end of the day though, that's just an argument against George Lucas.
Bioware and Obsidian managed to stomp on George Lucas' implementation of his own material pretty handily, with some pretttttttty dark stuff, and under a T rating at that.
The Genophage arc started immdiately after the meeting with the Council. The Turian Councilor says you should contact the Primarch. I doubt you'd get a meeting with the Council with Shepard's ease if you're some random N7.
Shepard doesn't get into the meeting with the Council because Shepard is a Specter (which you may or may not be at that point). Shepard gets into meeting because Shepard is the representative/witness of the collapse of a Council homeworld and claims to have a potential superweapon follow-up. It's Ambassador Udina who's the relevant person for getting the meeting- Shepard is just a prop, and is used as a prop because Udina thinks they have value, same as Shepard was a prop in ME1 even pre-Spectre status.
The Turian councilor follows up because they need Alliance military help right about now. He makes his request, and his approach, regardless of Shepard's spectre status.
Remember this line(or something like it): ''As a Council Spectre Shepard can oversee the exchange.''
Which was claimed, but never validated, and in no way necessitated. The STG didn't shoot Shepard because they got orders not to- Shepard could have waved the 'I'm a Spectre flag' all they wanted but it still wouldn't have mattered had the Dalatrass not called and made an exception.
If the authority, and the exception, rides with the Dalatrass in command, she could make the same exception for a non-Spectre to be there... which we know she can, because Shepard's teammates also get through. Including, you know, Wrex and/or Wreave.
This is the epitome of 'tell, don't show' writing. The 'need' for a Spectre at Surkesh only exists because a single throw-away line suggests that we might need it- that's remarkably weak writing and justification, all the more since the entire plotline holds together the same without any Spectre line.
It is also rather unlikely the Asari Councilor would contact you about the Thessia/Beacon-situation, especially if you aren't an Asari, unless you are a Spectre.
The Asari Councilor doesn't contact or require you because Shepard is a Spectre.The Councilor contacts Shepard because Shepard represents Hackett, head of the Alliance and lead effort on the war-winning Crucible superweapon project, and Shepard has both the skills and the stealth ship that can help save the Asari from themselves.
One of those is derived from being a PC. Two of those only exist because Hacket deigns for it to be so. At no point in the Thessia arc is Shepard's spectre status relevant to the Asari councilor's motivations. The Councilor contacts the Alliance because the Asari finally decided that helping finish the Crucible is in their own interests when the Reapers are invading them.
They aren't going to NOT do that just because Shepard isn't a Spectre.
Shepard doesn't get into the meeting with the Council because Shepard is a Specter (which you may or may not be at that point). Shepard gets into meeting because Shepard is the representative/witness of the collapse of a Council homeworld and claims to have a potential superweapon follow-up. It's Ambassador Udina who's the relevant person for getting the meeting- Shepard is just a prop, and is used as a prop because Udina thinks they have value, same as Shepard was a prop in ME1 even pre-Spectre status.
The Turian councilor follows up because they need Alliance military help right about now. He makes his request, and his approach, regardless of Shepard's spectre status.
Which was claimed, but never validated, and in no way necessitated. The STG didn't shoot Shepard because they got orders not to- Shepard could have waved the 'I'm a Spectre flag' all they wanted but it still wouldn't have mattered had the Dalatrass not called and made an exception.
If the authority, and the exception, rides with the Dalatrass in command, she could make the same exception for a non-Spectre to be there... which we know she can, because Shepard's teammates also get through. Including, you know, Wrex and/or Wreave.
This is the epitome of 'tell, don't show' writing. The 'need' for a Spectre at Surkesh only exists because a single throw-away line suggests that we might need it- that's remarkably weak writing and justification, all the more since the entire plotline holds together the same without any Spectre line.
The Asari Councilor doesn't contact or require you because Shepard is a Spectre.The Councilor contacts Shepard because Shepard represents Hackett, head of the Alliance and lead effort on the war-winning Crucible superweapon project, and Shepard has both the skills and the stealth ship that can help save the Asari from themselves.
One of those is derived from being a PC. Two of those only exist because Hacket deigns for it to be so. At no point in the Thessia arc is Shepard's spectre status relevant to the Asari councilor's motivations. The Councilor contacts the Alliance because the Asari finally decided that helping finish the Crucible is in their own interests when the Reapers are invading them.
They aren't going to NOT do that just because Shepard isn't a Spectre.
First, you're an ex-Spectre(or possibly even a Spectre again), not because you did something wrong(unless you were an a**hole), but because you died... The Sur'kesh part, they didn't shoot, possibly because Shepard was a Spectre. Even if they were allowed to shoot, it would be stupid. She/He is a Spectre. A MOTHERBEEPING SPECTRE!! Attacking a Spectre is usually a bad move(unless your name starts with ''Darth'', offcourse). This Spectre wasn't alone and thus even more dangerous.
A Council Spectre is (if I remember correctly) the right hand of the Council. Surely you would contact your ''assistant'' before [insert random human soldier], right?
Lastly, Shepard IS a Spectre. Being a Spectre means you are allowed to purchase the best weapons in existence Council Space. Remember Spectre gear in ME1, the only assault rifle that could match the accuracy of it's ''X'' variant was the Pulse Rifle, with (quite a lot) less damage and a lower rate of fire. The weapons from Armax Arsenal were the only ones(without PC console commands, that is) that allowed for longer periods of sustained fire. No weapon of the same class(again, excluding PC console commands) deals more damage than a Spectre weapon. You don't want to mess with anybody utilising those weapons if you have a Kessler 1, regardless of actual skills.
As you very well know, a Spectre go almost anywhere and do almost anything. When it is about guns, it might just come in handy to let somebody do it who is not restricted in their use...
I must say, my reasoning is (at times) speculation, and I assume(no offense), that you are (atleast partly) speculating as well.
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