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[Panda]

There was quite big lack of female aliens in ME1-3 compared to male aliens. Of course there is monogendered alien race Asari, but still we weren't able to see any or saw just one or two female Turians (2 in DLC's), Krogans (one? in ME3), Salarians (was or was not there one councillor?), Voluses (do they exist?), Drells (Thane's wife is only mentioned one), Elchor (unless genders look same and have both low voices), Batarians and Vorcha. There was lore explanation for Krogan (they all live in remote places in Tuchanka) and Salarians (there is 1/10 ratio of female/male Salarians), but lack of females of other races didn't make sense really.

 

Only alien species whose females we saw in the game were Asari (naturally) and Quarians. And Rachni if someone wants to count them. That's only two to three alien races out of 10+ races of the whole game series.

 

I'm sincerely hoping that Bioware has learned how to model female aliens and animate them so we will see more female aliens in the ME:A. Otherwise I must conclude that all these alien races are sadly going to go extinct very soon.

 

 

This thread is continuation for discussion from here: http://forum.bioware...n-women-please/

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[SolNebula]

ME3 proved they are learning. Nyreen and the Krogan female (sorry don't remember the name) were a good step in the right direction. I suspect we will see more of them in the upcoming games. Have faith.

[Han Shot First]

The lack of some of them was understandable in that it required different character models (Turians), or there was a lore-based reason for not seeing them (Salarians), but all the Volus and Elcor you meet being male I always thought was odd. For both of those species they wouldn't necessarily need a new character model. The Volus are all wearing exosuits and the Elcor could potentially all look the same to human eyes. For both they could just use female voice actors without bothering with creating different character models.

[Vortex13]

ME3 proved they are learning. Nyreen and the Krogan female (sorry don't remember the name) were a good step in the right direction. I suspect we will see more of them in the upcoming games. Have faith.

 

I agree, BioWare has shown more of the female aliens as the series has moved on. With that being said though, I really hope that the inclusion of more female aliens, or just new Andromeda aliens in general aren't just put their for sex appeal. Nyreen was an accomplished mercenary leader, but does an avian species really need to have breasts? We are dealing with alien species here, do all of the females need to be something that appeals to a human's sense of attractiveness? 

 

I would like to see more female aliens, but I would much rather see a race with a great deal of sexual dimorphism between genders, than for near-identical aliens, except that one has boobs. 

[Vanilka]

Much like SolNebula, I also think... or at least hope that they've learnt from their previous games. The lack of female aliens was so obvious in the franchise and it felt really awkward and unnatural. Especially when you actually finally meet a female turian and she ends up being the only one in a crowd of males of her kind.

 

I was really sad they killed Nyreen off, too. I mean, it made sense for her story, but I felt like she would have had much to say about her position in the turian society. She was not only the sole female turian of significance in the whole franchise but also the only turian biotic we've ever encountered. And turian biotics have a very unique position in their society. All the things she could've told us about!

 

Either way, I'd welcome a bit of a switch in our team, too. I'm kind of hoping for a female turian, female krogan, and male quarian companion. I don't know much about MEA and its companions yet, but I'd so love that.

[SpaceLobster]

 Elchor (unless genders look same and have both low voices)

There is atleast one female Elcor, Bubin's sister from Blasto 6: Partners in Crime. She has a different voice than all other Elcor. This is indeed, too few female Elcor.

 

Drells

We saw only three Drell. That's a reasonable explanation.

 

Voluses 

Nobody would see a difference between a male and a female Volus, if a Volus is not refered to as ''he'' you could simply assume that the Volus in question is female. The fact that their voices all sound similar could be explained because of their in-build suit translator has its own voice.

 

Salarians (was or was not there one councillor?)

Possibly her, but also the Dalatrass, Linron.

 

Batarians

When you think of a pirate or terrorist, do you think of a female? Most batarians we meet are either terrorists or pirates.

 

 

Vorcha

Perhaps female Vorcha are less violent and don't go out in the open? It could also be that certain Vorcha were female, but that we didn't notice it.

[Former_Fiend]

 

 

When you think of a pirate or terrorist, do you think of a female? Most batarians we meet are either terrorists or pirates.

 

Yeah, actually. 

 

Even excluding those professions, we do see a lot of batarian civilians on Omega in ME2 and refugees in ME3. They didn't include female models for the same reason they didn't include female models for any of the species at the time; saving disk memory/being too lazy to design them.

 

In any event, I'm ok with some species - such as salarians or vorcha - having minimal sexual dimorphism, but I'd definitely like to see Bioware include female models for any new races that they introduce.

[FKA_Servo]

 

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Slim pickings, there - mostly just excuses. We know they exist, but the fact that they don't care enough to actually portray them (deemed too much work), even when their absence blatantly hurts the setting, is what's stupid.

 

Besides, there are plenty of asari and human women acting as pirates and gangsters that we fight over the course of the games.

[fraggle]

I'm probably the only person who was never bothered by this, haha.

[Battlebloodmage]

They would probably end up as costumed human anyway. Seeing as how many creatures in nature have females as the more muscular ones. Would be nice to see Drell which based on bugs to have females to be a bit larger or something, not attach boobs on everything. The issue is not boobs but it makes every alien very humans.

[SpaceLobster]

Yeah, actually. 

You (probably) misunderstood me, I never claimed there are no female pirates, because that would be a very gross lie, they did (and still do) exist. They are, however far from what you think of when you think ''pirate''. I think of Jack Sparrow (fictional, I know), and Blackbeard, not his (again, fictional) daughter Angelica.

[S.W.]

I'd like to see BioWare get creative about what gender and sex means for different species. For instance, krogan men are more aggressive and tending to violence - so I'd like to see new species where women are more often the aggressors. I'd like to see species where there may be three or four sexes, or other species where asides from sexual characteristics, it's all kind of fluid. It would also be excellent to see - like in many plants - species where 'male' and 'female' sexual characteristics were present in all members of the species.

 

Slapping boobs on someone is just kind of lazy and doesn't make sense for non-mammals. For many species, I imagine women wouldn't necessarily have to be all about sex appeal and beauty either. Maybe think about changing colouring or patterns of scales/skin instead, or maybe the length of things like tails/tailbones, or the proportion between muscle and fat. Or maybe even don't change anything. There's lots of opportunities here to think outside of the box.

[Former_Fiend]

Well, when I think of pirates, the first thought to come to mind is my ancestor, Captain Sir Henry Morgan, though technically he was a privateer. Blurred that line, though.

 

But Marry Read and Anne Bonny, and the "pirate girl" image are pretty near the top of the list when I think of pirates.

[S.W.]

You (probably) misunderstood me, I never claimed there are no female pirates, because that would be a very gross lie, they did (and still do) exist. They are, however far from what you think of when you think ''pirate''. I think of Jack Sparrow (fictional, I know), and Blackbeard, not his (again, fictional) daughter Angelica.

 

Why would human gender norms apply to aliens?

[SpaceLobster]

I'm probably the only person who was never bothered by this, haha.

You certainly are not the only one, however, hearing reading everybody discussing the lack of female aliens does make me wonder, and it is indeed quite odd.

[SpaceLobster]

Why would human gender norms apply to aliens?

Why does slapping boobs on an alien make them female, or feminine? It is because that is what we are familiar with. If you see an alien with boobs, do you think that this alien is a male? No, you don't.

 

If you hear the word ''pirate'', you think of a male. Bioware is (I think) trying to fit inside these lines of thought.

[Vortex13]

A species like the Locusts of Gears of War or the Zhul from Sword of the Stars, a species where the females are huge muderous beasts would be interesting.

Some might not like to see such a divergent take on gender roles, but shouldn't aliens actually be you know 'alien' ?

[In Exile]

A species like the Locusts of Gears of War or the Zhul from Sword of the Stars, a species where the females are huge muderous beasts would be interesting.

Some might not like to see such a divergent take on gender roles, but shouldn't aliens actually be you know 'alien' ?

Yes, but as is the case in fantasy, when people talk about "non-humans" they mean humans with bad make up, not genderless sapient plant that mind controls its victims through airborne spores.

[FKA_Servo]

Anybody read China Mieville's Embassytown?

 

That's the sort of alien I'd like to see in ME.

[Wulfram]

Since Bioware seem to struggle to come up with female versions of the races that they're happy with, maybe they should try designing the female of the species first?

[Former_Fiend]

Anybody read China Mieville's Embassytown?

 

That's the sort of alien I'd like to see in ME.

 

Can't say I'm familiar with it, no.

[Chealec]

Perhaps female Vorcha are less violent and don't go out in the open? It could also be that certain Vorcha were female, but that we didn't notice it.

I'd be fairly surprised if there were female Vorcha as such - they were described as a sort of colony organism more akin to extremely mobile coral than humans really.

[Catastrophy]

I don't think they expected their aliens would become so popular. I bet they'll add more in.

[Akrabra]

We did get Eve, Nyreen Kandros and the Salarian Dalatrass in the last game, so it showed some progress atleast. Will probably continue on in Andromeda. 

[FKA_Servo]

I'd be fairly surprised if there were female Vorcha as such - they were described as a sort of colony organism more akin to extremely mobile coral than humans really.

 

I believe all vorcha are genetically identical Mark Meers.

 

Can't say I'm familiar with it, no.

 

It's weird. Really really good, though (he's one of the most creative and best contemporary fantasy writers, bar none). They're called the Ariekei. I'll describe them if I have a moment to write it up.