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[rapscallioness]

...so what? we're talking abt having male strippers now?

 

Yes, please.

 

[Fixers0]

Quite honestly If I were to enter a club and I'd notice there were male strippers I would instantly turn around and walk out.

[rapscallioness]

I wouldn't. I would be pleasantly surprised. Though, I imagine if they did ever incorporate male strippers, it would be alongside all the female ones. So, those that prefer female would still have some candy.

 

It would just be more like a pinata of candy. Candy for everyone!

[Former_Fiend]

It would depend on why I was in the club, really.

 

If I'm there on business or a mission, then I don't particularly care who's shaking what, that's not why I'm there and I'm not going to let a bunch of naked men keep me from getting the job done.

 

If I'm going to a club on my off hours for recreation, then yeah, I'm going to the one with the female dancers, but I'm not going to be offended or disgusted that the club with the male dancers exists.

[rapscallioness]

It would depend on why I was in the club, really.

 

If I'm there on business or a mission, then I don't particularly care who's shaking what, that's not why I'm there and I'm not going to let a bunch of naked men keep me from getting the job done.

 

If I'm going to a club on my off hours for recreation, then yeah, I'm going to the one with the female dancers, but I'm not going to be offended or disgusted that the club with the male dancers exists.

 

 

I don;t think they'd be in separate clubs, though. It would more than likely be male and female strippers in one club. If you feel like enjoying the artistry of the females, then they are there. Walk over and enjoy the..interpretive dance.

 

Same with the dudes for those that prefer that particular type of rhythmic serenading.

 

 

life is good.

[Battlebloodmage]

Quite honestly If I were to enter a club and I'd notice there were male strippers I would instantly turn around and walk out.

I'm not sure why you're in that club in the first place. Those clubs are likely targeted gay or female guests. They should have signs on the outside. There are clubs like that in Vegas. 

[Battlebloodmage]

I don;t think they'd be in separate clubs, though. It would more than likely be male and female strippers in one club. If you feel like enjoying the artistry of the females, then they are there. Walk over and enjoy the..interpretive dance.

 

Same with the dudes for those that prefer that particular type of rhythmic serenading.

 

 

life is good.

Is it? Most of these clubs are very gender specific. Some female stripper clubs may have girls night out. It's depending on the clubs and time you're going. 

[rapscallioness]

If BW makes a club, I don;t think they're going to be making different clubs just for all that. I don;t see why it would need to be gender specific. You could have some areas with female dancers. Some with male dancers. But still within the same club.

[The Hierophant]

...so what? we're talking abt having male strippers now?

 

Yes, please.

 

 

Watch them only give you volus, elcor, batarian, and vorcha strippers.

[Battlebloodmage]

If BW makes a club, I don;t think they're going to be making different clubs just for all that. I don;t see why it would need to be gender specific. You could have some areas with female dancers. Some with male dancers. But still within the same club.

Many straight men wouldn't like it. While females are often tolerate it more, a lot of straight males wouldn't like having naked males grinding and even more so if there are gay guys lusting after those dancers. There is a big social stigma, and anything that could be perceived as emasculation is not gonna fly well. Of course, if Bioware could include those options, I would rather welcome it. 

[rapscallioness]

Watch them only give you volus, elcor, batarian, and vorcha strippers.

 

 

lol! that would be messed up!

 

where's that damn vorcha poster when you need him? "GAAARRRGH!!! I SET YOU ON FIRE WITH MY MOVES!!! GAAARRRGH!"

[Battlebloodmage]

Watch them only give you volus, elcor, batarian, and vorcha strippers.

No Turian?

[Former_Fiend]

Yeah, in my experience strip clubs tend to cater to one or the other. Every now and then a club that primarily employs female dancers and caters to men will have a special event, like Battlebloodmage said, but generally you're not going to find a place that has both male and female dancers working the same night.

 

Of course, this is the future, so, who knows.

[Panda]

Well I think what people would do in the real life is not good excuse of not having male strippers in the game if there is female one's. I wouldn't go to strip club myself IRL no matter the gender of the strippers, but in ME we have missions that involve going to places like that. There is huge problem with only having female dancers though, since it quite shows how sexist the world of ME still is, women are objects of sexual desire when men aren't and I find that quite problematic. It's also very different from DA where brothels have both sexes around quite equally. It's quite weird how medieval fantasy is has more gender equal world in many aspects than scifi, since usually future is seen as time of development.

 

Also I'm not sure what to say about BabyPunchers men are being sexy= homosexuality thing, I mean I have seen it around before as well. Male character gets sexy skin in League of Legends (which is rare compared  to female characters) and people comment all around how the skin is "gay". It's funny that when there is fanservice for straight men in terms of sexy female characters it's most heterosexual thing ever and escapism that must be in the games, and in scifi and fantasy in general, but lot of men feel uncomfortable and threatened by sexy male character and thus label them as "gay" although whole thing has nothing to do with sexuality.

 

Though this talk is bit off-topic although important as well. I guess ME team has lot of fixing to do for next game so that the game's world wouldn't be so full gender inequality, both in terms of having females only as sexual objects, not giving enough romances to groups that aren't heterosexual male and finally doing female alien models who aren't just slapping boobs on alien who doesn't even breastfeed.

[rapscallioness]

Many straight men wouldn't like it. While females are often tolerate it more, a lot of straight males wouldn't like having naked males grinding and even more so if there are gay guys lusting after those dancers. There is a big social stigma, and anything that could be perceived as emasculation is not gonna fly well. Of course, if Bioware could include those options, I would rather welcome it. 

 

 

I understand what you're saying. But in my humble opinion, a real manly man would be secure enough in his masculinity to not be so easily intimidated.

 

I know it's not like that in our real world, but BW is not going to make separate clubs. And, yes, I would like to see some candy, too. So, given those options, I advocate for a mixed club.

 

edit: my apologies, Panda. No more OT.

[The Hierophant]

No Turian?

Turian are considered sexy, so no.

[Battlebloodmage]

Turian are considered sexy, so no.

Stupid sexy turian.

 

[The Hierophant]

Stupid sexy turian.

 

Dito.

[Battlebloodmage]

I understand what you're saying. But in my humble opinion, a real manly man would be secure enough in his masculinity to not be so easily intimidated.

 

I know it's not like that in our real world, but BW is not going to make separate clubs. And, yes, I would like to see some candy, too. So, given those options, I advocate for a mixed club.

 

edit: my apologies, Panda. No more OT.

I understand that, but feeling is irrational, and for many guys, being emasculated seems to be one of the worst things they could feel. A straight guy would punch someone if they get hit on. It's the alpha male culture. They have been conditioned to behave and act a certain way. Your perspective, while valid and I agree with, is not the view that a lot of guys often share.

 

As you stated, ME is a not the real world, so Bioware shouldn't make separate clubs if they don't want to. If they did do it, I understand from a financial standpoint. It's the reasons why there was no gay romance up until ME3 nor in SWTOR or that female romances were badly written in ME3. 

[BabyPuncher]

There is huge problem with only having female dancers though, since it quite shows how sexist the world of ME still is, women are objects of sexual desire when men aren't and I find that quite problematic.

 

Are you bothering to give this any thought at all deeper than "men and women aren't the same, therefore 'problematic'"?

 

Men and women do not approach sex the same way, and I feel confident in saying neither sex generally wants to approach sex the same way. The sex industry is tailored very differently between men and women, erotic fiction is tailored very differently between men and women.

 

Have you not considered that if women were interested in male strippers to the same degree men were interested in female strippers, those businesses would exist? These are profitable industries. Yet female strippers overwhelmingly outnumber male strippers. What does that fact say?

 

This sort of feedback is incredibly shallow and trite to the point of uselessless. We need to be thinking a little smarter than 'men and women aren't depicted identically - therefore, sexism.'

[In Exile]

When you're advocating of behalf of marginalized minorities, you don't get to turn the oppression knob to 'OFF' for a few moments to try and smugly rub in my face how successful and quickly expanding they are, and immediately turn it right back to 'ON' and have them go back to being to a group desperately in need of empowerment and compassion and yada yada yada.

 

So spare me the prophecies.

 

I don't know what you're on about here. Right now, I'm advocating for you not making general pronouncements about all men everywhere in the complete absence of - and often in direct contradiction to - what empirical data exists.

 

You're making broad and general pronouncements about attitudes toward M/M relationships, about how "men" react to them. But unless you're ready to argue this is some natural feature of human existence - and since you talk about "Western" culture it seems to me you're not about to go down that discredited road - then you've conceded that your views are just contingent. And, in particular, contingent on historical prejudice.

 

And the practical, very much empirical, reality is that your views are already in the minority in most places in the West and - very likely - will be in the laughable, existing solely for the purpose of parody on Saturday Night live, minority within a generation.

 

This sounds like a tedious squabble over diction. Why don't you go haveit with the person who used the term in the first place? Unless you're going to try and argue that standards dividing gender are perfectly legitimate (not double standards) but somehow gender standards that concern sexual behavior are completely illogical. (double standards) Of course, the latter is a subset of the first...

 

Your posts here - including the one I was responding to - involved some elaborate and completely incorrect definition of a "double standard". So you're clearly interested in a "tedius squabble over diction", at least when you think you're right. But apparently less so when you're being called out on the fallacy.

 

Gender - as a concept, in the sense of sex - is not illegitimate. It's stupid to adopt that view. And gender - as a concept, in the sense of a social construct - is not illegitimate either. What is illegitimate is talking about a double standard as if it were some kind of value neutral  - or even defensible - concept. It's a pejorative. No one who understands what it means would self-identify as using it. It's like calling onself irrational.

[SpaceLobster]

Personally I'd rather have they didn't have male strippers, if people go and whine, remove female strippers too! That or I make sure that I don't see them. @BabyPuncher You could try that...

[BabyPuncher]

I don't know what you're on about here. Right now, I'm advocating for you not making general pronouncements about all men everywhere in the complete absence of - and often in direct contradiction to - what empirical data exists.

 

You're making broad and general pronouncements about attitudes toward M/M relationships, about how "men" react to them. But unless you're ready to argue this is some natural feature of human existence - and since you talk about "Western" culture it seems to me you're not about to go down that discredited road - then you've conceded that your views are just contingent. And, in particular, contingent on historical prejudice.

 

And the practical, very much empirical, reality is that your views are already in the minority in most places in the West and - very likely - will be in the laughable, existing solely for the purpose of parody on Saturday Night live, minority within a generation.

 

Mmm, Is that right? Last time I looked even a supposed 'progressive' company like BioWare is extremely careful to keep their gay content locked up pretty tight. Women flirting and kissing and so forth - that's common enough, but gay men prancing about? Don't really see that. And that's a company that seems to be right at the tip of the spear of whimpering how 'problematic' such discrepancies are.

 

But if it makes you feel better to fantasize of a future male population squealing in ecstatic glee over the privilege of witnessing gay men being gay, goodness, by all means.

[Lady Artifice]

Now I want the clubs to have volus dancers. That would be too funny, I'd never want to leave. 

[Battlebloodmage]

Now I want the clubs to have volus dancers. That would be too funny, I'd never want to leave. 

I want a club with hanar, but I think Japan has copyright on that.