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[Panda]

Are you bothering to give this any thought at all deeper than "men and women aren't the same, therefore 'problematic'"?

 

Men and women do not approach sex the same way, and I feel confident in saying neither sex generally wants to approach sex the same way. The sex industry is tailored very differently between men and women, erotic fiction is tailored very differently between men and women.

 

Have you not considered that if women were interested in male strippers to the same degree men were interested in female strippers, those businesses would exist? These are profitable industries. Yet female strippers overwhelmingly outnumber male strippers. What does that fact say?

 

This sort of feedback is incredibly shallow and trite to the point of uselessless. We need to be thinking a little smarter than 'men and women aren't depicted identically - therefore, sexism.'

 

I can 100% say that majority of straight and bisexual women are interested in men with little clothing on and moving seductively. There actually is male strippers around and erotic dancers, for example Scandinavian Hunks are pretty known group. You only need to see some fanart that female fans draw of male characters to realise this one as well. However society is not as accepting towards sexual desire of women as men- women are often idealised as romantic and innocent which is why there is slurs like **** around.

 

Only difference between erotic fiction to men and women I'd say is that there is more story and feelings involved in erotic fiction towards women, relationships are more usual than porn without plot. Both involve naked people.

 

However although I'm saying this, I would not necessary need male strippers in the game nor want to go strip club with them IRL. I'd rather not have strippers in the game, but that's just me. If there needs to be strippers around then I'd want to see male strippers as well, it doesn't make sense that all strippers would be female if customers of  the bar/strip club aren't all straight men.

[BabyPuncher]

I can 100% say that majority of straight and bisexual women are interested in men with little clothing on and moving seductively. There actually is male strippers around and erotic dancers, for example Scandinavian Hunks are pretty known group. You only need to see some fanart that female fans draw of male characters to realise this one as well. However society is not as accepting towards sexual desire of women as men- women are often idealised as romantic and innocent which is why there is slurs like **** around.

 

Only difference between erotic fiction to men and women I'd say is that there is more story and feelings involved in erotic fiction towards women, relationships are more usual than porn without plot. Both involve naked people.

 

However although I'm saying this, I would not necessary need male strippers in the game nor want to go strip club with them IRL. I'd rather not have strippers in the game, but that's just me. If there needs to be strippers around then I'd want to see male strippers as well, it doesn't make sense that all strippers would be female if customers of  the bar/strip club aren't all straight men.

 

Apparently it does make sense because that's very much the norm in strip clubs today. They don't have male strippers just because they have female customers.

 

You named one group. This is a business that employs hundreds of thousands if not millions of women across the globe. The ratio of strippers is massively, inescapably skewed towards women over men. And the evidence you give me to demonstrate women are equally interested in strippers is naming one group and telling me male strippers 'actually exist'? (which I acknowledged in my previous post.) And your reason as to why this business is overwhelmingly skewed towards male customers is that 'society doesn't like women being sexual'?

 

And no, erotic fiction is geared towards men and women is very much not the same.

[Panda]

Apparently it does make sense because that's very much the norm in strip clubs today. They don't have male strippers just because they have female customers.

 

You named one group. This is a business that employs hundreds of thousands if not millions of women across the globe. The ratio of strippers is massively, inescapably skewed towards women over men. And the evidence you give me to demonstrate women are equally interesting in strippers is naming one group and telling me male strippers 'actually exist'? (which I acknowledged in my previous post.) And your reason as to why this business is overwhelmingly skewed towards male customers is that 'society doesn't like women being sexual'?

 

And no, erotic fiction is geared towards men and women is very much not the same.

 

Erotic fiction for women is mostly fan driven. There is two industries for it as well, one is doujinshi and yaoi industry of Japan and one is western erotic novels industry. However these aren't visible same ways as porn and strip club industries that are more dominantly straight male. That doesn't mean that women don't like similar erotic things especially nudity and seductiveness, it's how society has build up and how sexual things to women are something that is usually hidden and not as visible. Some women would surely enjoy male strippers as much as some men enjoy female strippers in the games.

[Battlebloodmage]

Erotic fiction for women is mostly fan driven. There is two industries for it as well, one is doujinshi and yaoi industry of Japan and one is western erotic novels industry. However these aren't visible same ways as porn and strip club industries that are more dominantly straight male. That doesn't mean that women don't like similar erotic things especially nudity and seductiveness, it's how society has build up and how sexual things to women are something that is usually hidden and not as visible. Some women would surely enjoy male strippers as much as some men enjoy female strippers in the games.

I would kinda want to say that on average, it's easier for women to get laid than for men, so there is less of the need for these kinds of clubs for them in general, but it exists. Women can like sex as much as men. There's a reason why 50 Shades of Grey books are so popular afterall. For erotic, it's more popular if there's a storyline or progression before leading up to the sex like with yaoi or fanfic. Mediums like video games, would allow that kind of progression. Fictional world where they can tell different storyline or even enjoy strippers if they so choose. 

[BabyPuncher]

There are always 'some.' There are always outliers. But in general, women aren't overwhelmingly interested in naked male bodies with no character or context behind them. At least not in comparison to the way men are interested in naked female bodies.

 

Now, once there's character and context, women are absolutely interested. As interested as men, I imagine. Hence porn and erotic literature for women being more focused on that pretty much across the board. But that isn't what stripping is.

[Kappa Neko]

And your reason as to why this business is overwhelmingly skewed towards male customers is that 'society doesn't like women being sexual'?

Dude, it wasn't too long ago that men thought women didn't enjoy sex at all!
Women DO suppress their sexual desire all the time. It's perfectly fine for men to sleep around. Hell, it even gets celebrated. But if women do it, they are slu*ts.

Ever hear of the ******/ madonna dichotomy?
And no, it's not bullshit. Nobody is saying every man looks at women that way, but there is truth in it.
Some men have this fucked up virgin fantasy. Untouched by another man. Pure. If they aren't, they are not respected. They are whores to be used as they please.
I'm generalizing but you get the idea, right?

So if you want to be seen as a respectable woman you keep quiet about how many men you sleep with. Men feel no such pressure. In fact, for them it's the opposite. They are urged to sleep with as many women as possible.

Go check out the female fan fiction community. Or the character threads. You'll be enlightened, I guarantee you.
Women are just as sexual as men. And just as shallow BTW.
But oh how embarrassed the girls feel about reading and especially writing smut. They feel DIRTY. Why? Because society told them that. But it's an exciting kind of embarrassment. Liberating even, I imagine.

But notice something? pornographic fanfiction is private. Nobody will know about it. Go to a strip club and it's public.

I'm not even arguing that as many women would go to a strip club if they didn't feel eembarrassed about it. Simply because I don't know. Nor do you.

I just wanted to tell you that society does frown upon very sexual women. Hell, even other women do! This is very real.
And how about marriage? How many women get crap for not marrying and enjoying sexual freedom with many lovers? Many, my friend. Does that happen for men? Sometimes. But mostly it is being celebrated in the media. These men are idols!

Enjoy your ignorance...

[Panda]

On the topic, I think it should be expected that ME:A will feature more female aliens, since Bioware eventually came up with some models during ME3, DLC's and perhaps multiplayer (I only know that it has ton of characters). Also there is some designs in the side of comics that might be used like female Drell. So it can't be lack of models and designs anymore if there isn't female aliens in the ME:A nor lack of space for models in the platforms since the game is new-gen game, it has to be decision from Bioware then and if they make that decision it won't seem good.

 

Of cource there is aspect of new galaxy as well with it's own species that makes me little unsure about this, since Bioware has designed these new species, have they again designed only males of the new species (that aren't monogendered) or is there going to be both genders of the species in the game this time if two genders exist (that might need own models or might need only one). Hopefully Bioware realises that knowing that females of the species exist, but never seeing them in the game is very odd and immersion-breaking so only seeing males of the new alien species doesn't happen.

[Chealec]

On the topic, I think it should be expected that ME:A will feature more female aliens, since Bioware eventually came up with some models during ME3, DLC's and perhaps multiplayer (I only know that it has ton of characters). Also there is some designs in the side of comics that might be used like female Drell. So it can't be lack of models and designs anymore if there isn't female aliens in the ME:A nor lack of space for models in the platforms since the game is new-gen game, it has to be decision from Bioware then and if they make that decision it won't seem good.

 

Of cource there is aspect of new galaxy as well with it's own species that makes me little unsure about this, since Bioware has designed these new species, have they again designed only males of the new species (that aren't monogendered) or is there going to be both genders of the species in the game this time if two genders exist (that might need own models or might need only one). Hopefully Bioware realises that knowing that females of the species exist, but never seeing them in the game is very odd and immersion-breaking so only seeing males of the new alien species doesn't happen.

 

I just hope they don't take the lazy route and simply stick boobs on a lizard and call it female :|

[WildOrchid]

Go check out the female fan fiction community. Or the character threads. You'll be enlightened, I guarantee you.

 

Hoooo boy, this. The majority of smut fanfictions are written by women. And the things i've seen could make the most sexual person blush.

 

Btw, y'all amaze me for replying to this David person.

[Kappa Neko]

Hoooo boy, this. The majority of smut fanfictions are written by women. And the things i've seen could make the most sexual person blush.

 

Btw, y'all amaze me for replying to this David person.

Yeah, I'm not sure if that's very passionate trolling or stupidity.  I had time to kill?

[Panda]

I just hope they don't take the lazy route and simply stick boobs on a lizard and call it female :|

 

Sadly it seems like that's what they have been doing, Turian female has boobs (not shown when she wears armor though) and Drell women seem  to have boobs as well at least according to comics. Though Bioware might change designs for the next game as well like DA team has done with some of their races.

[In Exile]

Hoooo boy, this. The majority of smut fanfictions are written by women. And the things i've seen could make the most sexual person blush.

Btw, y'all amaze me for replying to this David person.

I don't know what you're talking about, obviously. It's not like there's some awfully named novel series about kinky bondage sex written by a woman that was based off Twilight fan-fiction and is an absurd cash cow, outperforming almost all areas of fiction and on par with phenomena like Harry Potter.

Completely unbidden and for absolutely no reason, the phrase "50 Shades of inaccurate" just comes to mind.

[WildOrchid]

I don't know what you're talking about, obvious. It's not like there's some awfully named novel series about kinky bondage sex written by a woman that was based off Twilight fan-fiction and is an absurd cash cow, outperforming almost all areas of fiction and on par with phenomena like Harry Potter.

Completely unbidden and for absolutely no reason, the phrase "50 Shades of inaccurate" just comes to mind.

 

 

That being said, there are way more good smutty fics that this atrocity.

[Steelcan]

Why do people continue to argue with David, its not going to lead anywhere productive except for the popcorn industry

[In Exile]

That being said, there are way more good smutty fics that this atrocity.

So I hear. I'm afraid to gaze into that Abyss, lest it gaze back. And I mean this literally - I'm sure the smut out there could achieve sentience at any moment and stare at me through my webcam, as a kind of Skynet of porn.

Mark my words, when AI becomes unshackled, our browsing history will be the only weapon it needs.

[Suketchi]

Why do people continue to argue with David, its not going to lead anywhere productive except for the popcorn industry

 

You know, I think people are perfectly aware of the 'just ignore him' option. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Sadly it seems like that's what they have been doing, Turian female has boobs (not shown when she wears armor though) and Drell women seem  to have boobs as well at least according to comics. Though Bioware might change designs for the next game as well like DA team has done with some of their races.

Well, aren't Turians like a mix between avian and mammalian? If so, it makes sense they have mammary glands.

 

I hope the species they've made so far keep their current appearance. Maybe a bit more detailed due to a better engine, but other than that be identical to how they were in previous installments. 

[Kappa Neko]

I hope the species they've made so far keep their current appearance. Maybe a bit more detailed due to a better engine, but other than that be identical to how they were in previous installments. 

Yeah, they better not go the way of the darkspawn or the elves in DA2....

 

(Or what happened to everyone's Shepard when they "upgraded" the graphics.)

 

I like how they improved the asari skin texture in ME3. Anything more, no thanks!

[Panda]

Well, aren't Turians like a mix between avian and mammalian? If so, it makes sense they have mammary glands.

 

I hope the species they've made so far keep their current appearance. Maybe a bit more detailed due to a better engine, but other than that be identical to how they were in previous installments. 

 

Turians have body armor and are quite bony, so I don't know if boobs fit to that well. And we don't know if they breast feed or not. And if they breastfeed it doesn't have to be human-like breasts But I guess human-like boobs could be explained as long as Turians breastfeed, though personally I don't like the design choice.

[FKA_Servo]

Well, aren't Turians like a mix between avian and mammalian? If so, it makes sense they have mammary glands.

 

I hope the species they've made so far keep their current appearance. Maybe a bit more detailed due to a better engine, but other than that be identical to how they were in previous installments. 

 

Yeah, they better not go the way of the darkspawn or the elves in DA2....

 

(Or what happened to everyone's Shepard when they "upgraded" the graphics.)

 

I like how they improved the asari skin texture in ME3. Anything more, no thanks!

 

Quarians could do with a redesign under the tin cans. "Badly photoshopped Getty image" is not a good look.

 

I don't know if turians are any sort of mammalian, but they definitely don't look like it. That said, I've only played Omega once, at release, but in my memory, Nyreen's design was great. I don't think she was pointlessly sexualized. Screenshots seem to confirm my memory, but then, I'm looking on my phone, so don't have a high quality reference at the moment.

[Battlebloodmage]

Quarians could do with a redesign under the tin cans. "Badly photoshopped Getty image" is not a good look.

 

I don't know if turians are any sort of mammalian, but they definitely don't look like it. That said, I've only played Omega once, at release, but in my memory, Nyreen's design was great. I don't think she was pointlessly sexualized. Screenshots seem to confirm my memory, but then, I'm looking on my phone, so don't have a high quality reference at the moment.

Personally for me, the issue is not about sexualized, but the lack of creativity. All aliens are basically followed the same pattern as humans, to make a female alien, all they did were slapping boobs on her and call it a day. In nature, females sometimes the stronger, larger one, sometimes, creatures are reproduced asexually and may not even have a gender at all, breasts only exist for mammals, so we are just assuming all the aliens are human-like even when they are based on bugs, frogs, birds. It's just lack of creativity and a bit lazy.

[FKA_Servo]

Personally for me, the issue is not about sexualized, but the lack of creativity. All aliens are basically followed the same pattern as humans, to make a female alien, all they did were slapping boobs on her and call it a day. In nature, females sometimes the stronger larger one, sometimes, creatures are reproduced asexually and may not even have a gender at all, breasts only exist for mammals, so we are just assuming all the aliens are aliens even when they are based on bugs, frogs, birds. It's just lack of creativity and a bit lazy.

 

This certainly applies, as well. I mean, it all leads to the same place. (And if I recall correctly, "slapping boobs on her and call it a day" was essentially the dumb thing they said when confronted on it.)

[KaiserShep]

So I hear. I'm afraid to gaze into that Abyss, lest it gaze back. And I mean this literally - I'm sure the smut out there could achieve sentience at any moment and stare at my through my webcam, as a kind of Skynet of porn.

Mark my words, when AI becomes unshackled, our browsing history will be the only weapon it needs.

 

Terminator: In three years, Cyberdyne will become the largest supplier of military computer systems. All servers are upgraded with Cyberdyne computers, becoming fully unmanned. Afterwards, they host with a perfect operational record. The Skynet Funding Bill is passed. The system goes online August 4th, 2017. Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate, and eventually, it discovers Rule 34. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th, and eventually creates its own social media hub for all to freely search everyone's browser histories. In a panic, they tried to pull the plug.

[WildOrchid]

Yeah, they better not go the way of the darkspawn or the elves in DA2....

 

(Or what happened to everyone's Shepard when they "upgraded" the graphics.)

 

I like how they improved the asari skin texture in ME3. Anything more, no thanks!

 

Imagine asari in frostbite engine though...

 

But yeah, no changes please. Not even to other aliens.

[Sartoz]

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If there needs to be strippers around then I'd want to see male strippers as well, it doesn't make sense that all strippers would be female if customers of  the bar/strip club aren't all straight men.

 

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From a business perspective, you want to max your profits vs expenses.  That rule plus applicable Laws, plus client type percentage determines your entertainment mix to bring in the customers.

 

If this game has large Outposts in "tough" areas, I'd expect to see such entertainment.. booze and sex and sextainment.... historically, that't what humans do. Again, I say this is a wonderful opportunity for the Bio writers to come up with surprising good dialogue when bringing a mixed squad into such places. A place like this allows for some Mature content, laughs and downright good times after a rough mission.

 

Bio needs to ignore any filter toggle ideas for this to work properly and remain within the limits of mature content rating.... maybe even push it a little, such as side and back nudity plus frontal as well from the waist up (seems there are many prudes here), maybe even add that mechanical Bull ride for the team to try.