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[Panda]

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From a business perspective, you want to max your profits vs expenses.  That rule plus applicable Laws, plus client type percentage determines your entertainment mix to bring in the customers.

 

If this game has large Outposts in "tough" areas, I'd expect to see such entertainment.. booze and sex and sextainment.... historically, that't what humans do. Again, I say this is a wonderful opportunity for the Bio writers to come up with surprising good dialogue when bringing a mixed squad into such places. A place like this allows for some Mature content, laughs and downright good times after a rough mission.

 

Bio needs to ignore any filter toggle ideas for this to work properly and remain within the limits of mature content rating.... maybe even push it a little, such as side and back nudity plus frontal as well from the waist up (seems there are many prudes here), maybe even add that mechanical Bull ride for the team to try.

 

That case Bioware could add strip bars to have different kind of strippers depending on place they are in and want the population around them are.

 

Well we are lot of time in alien spaces so what humans do doesn't matter so much. I don't really see it similarly as wonderful opportunity cause I'd rather them to leave strip club content to minimum, it would be just fanservice and I wouldn't want ME turned into erotic fantasy all of sudden, better just stay on scifi and action.

[SpaceLobster]

That isn't what invalidates the question tho, what invalidates the question is expecting aliens to conform to our gender stereotypes.

As far as I know, the only batarian women that ever appeared(not even ingame) was Jella, who was underpaid, yet hard-working. She didn't appear to be truly what you'd expect of a batarian female, but is neither pirate nor slaver. This could ofcourse be an exception, and I expect them to be less violent than their male counterparts, because this fictional universe is created by humans (I think).

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Yep and Seren killed her.

[SpaceLobster]

Yep and Seren killed her.

#SPOILERS! Just kidding, I don't read books, I read wiki's. 

[karushna5]

Sadly it seems like that's what they have been doing, Turian female has boobs (not shown when she wears armor though) and Drell women seem  to have boobs as well at least according to comics. Though Bioware might change designs for the next game as well like DA team has done with some of their races.

 

I didn't mind it, but i did find it odd, since in ME2 in the bar on the citadel, a turian expresses how he doesn't understand Asari and human women breasts.. Like canonically before Nyreen, turians don't have boobs, but its a nitpicky thing which is fine really.

[HuldraDancer]

The talk of lady aliens reminded me of something I saw out of a comic I read a while back that imo might be a nicer direction for female aliens rather than slapping breast on them. Not 100% sure if these two are of the same race or spices or whatever but I'm fairly sure they are.

 

The frogs like people are the ones I'm referring too and might be pretty obvious still which one is female to some but just in case, the taller one if the female

putting it in spoilers for size

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if this is no longer the current topic very sorry for going off topicness

[Panda]

The talk of lady aliens reminded me of something I saw out of a comic I read a while back that imo might be a nicer direction for female aliens rather than slapping breast on them. Not 100% sure if these two are of the same race or spices or whatever but I'm fairly sure they are.

 

The frogs like people are the ones I'm referring too and might be pretty obvious still which one is female to some but just in case, the taller one if the female

putting it in spoilers for size

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if this is no longer the current topic very sorry for going off topicness

 

It is more topic than "Male strippers Nowhere?!" ^^;

 

I'd like devs to go with different ways when creating female parts of the species- it's not like male parts always look very human or have attractive human features either. Slapping breast is quite unimaginative and often looks weird. Like boobs in Skyrim on Khajit and Argonians, they look so out of place to me. Lot of male aliens lack of things considered attractive to humans so it'd make sense that females would also. If Turians breastfeed their babies I guess boobs then make sense though they look bit weird on Turians taken accord how rest of body is build ^^; And all mammals do not have human like boobs so maybe all alien mammals shouldn't either.

[HuldraDancer]

It is more topic than "Male strippers Nowhere?!" ^^;

 

I'd like devs to go with different ways when creating female parts of the species- it's not like male parts always look very human or have attractive human features either. Slapping breast is quite unimaginative and often looks weird. Like boobs in Skyrim on Khajit and Argonians, they look so out of place to me. Lot of male aliens lack of things considered attractive to humans so it'd make sense that females would also. If Turians breastfeed their babies I guess boobs then make sense though they look bit weird on Turians taken accord how rest of body is build ^^; And all mammals do not have human like boobs so maybe all alien mammals shouldn't either.

 

So would something like the example I posted work for something you'd like to see with differences in gender with aliens without necessary slapping breast on to it and calling it female? I'd try to post more examples but thats the only one I can think of at the moment. That is if there was to be a noticeable difference at all? 

[Vanilka]

The talk of lady aliens reminded me of something I saw out of a comic I read a while back that imo might be a nicer direction for female aliens rather than slapping breast on them. Not 100% sure if these two are of the same race or spices or whatever but I'm fairly sure they are.

 

The frogs like people are the ones I'm referring too and might be pretty obvious still which one is female to some but just in case, the taller one if the female

putting it in spoilers for size

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if this is no longer the current topic very sorry for going off topicness

 

Personally, I do think this is a good example. Females being bigger than males is not an uncommon occurrence in nature, too. It shows we don't need boobs or other overly humanoid sex characteristics to identify a female, as well. I also don't think we should necessarily always be able to safely tell a difference. I mean, at the end of the day, what does it matter? For example, with Salarians, I think it's a good move to have them look very similar. (Some minor differences wouldn't of course hurt.) I'm not saying we should never have aliens with boobs or humanoid characteristics, but given that we're talking aliens, I still think that unique, truly alien appearance should be a priority. Like the couple of frogs in the comic, you then immediately realise they're very different from us and that will probably reflect to their lifestyles, culture, etc. and that makes them interesting. Such characters basically write themselves. This all makes the world so much more lively, colourful and interesting.

[Panda]

So would something like the example I posted work for something you'd like to see with differences in gender with aliens without necessary slapping breast on to it and calling it female? I'd try to post more examples but thats the only one I can think of at the moment. That is if there was to be a noticeable difference at all? 

 

Yes it could. Animal kingdom is quite good place to find inspiration when designing aliens. Other would be different kind of coloring (like female birds are often brown or grey and male birds flashy). And it's good to have some races without difference like ME already seems to have with Krogans and Salarians, all animals don't have noticeable difference either, I have cat who for some reason I can't comprehend is often mistaken as boy cat although she's not ^^;

[HuldraDancer]

I think I may have found another example in the same comic though I do personally like the frog one more. This is a case of slapping breast on it but its not human kind of breast and it is a mammal type of creature so females having breasts make more sense for it than say if the frog woman were to have breasts. (Though unlike the frog couple I actually don't have confirmation on whether or not those are females so I'm taking guess work at it that there are at least three women in the group)

 

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[HuldraDancer]

Yes it could. Animal kingdom is quite good place to find inspiration when designing aliens. Other would be different kind of coloring (like female birds are often brown or grey and male birds flashy). And it's good to have some races without difference like ME already seems to have with Krogans and Salarians, all animals don't have noticeable difference either, I have cat who for some reason I can't comprehend is often mistaken as boy cat although she's not ^^;

 

Random question is your kitty by any chance an orange/blond color? If so that could be why a lot of people might be mistaking it for being male.

[Vanilka]

I think I may have found another example in the same comic though I do personally like the frog one more. This is a case of slapping breast on it but its not human kind of breast and it is a mammal type of creature so females having breasts make more sense for it than say if the frog woman were to have breasts. (Though unlike the frog couple I actually don't have confirmation on whether or not those are females so I'm taking guess work at it that there are at least three women in the group)

 

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Interesting. Those actually look a lot more like fat folds than breasts to me and I really can't tell whether those are males or females. It could even be that the flatter ones are females, but who knows. This is definitely an interesting way to handle mammals if that's the case, imho. It's obvious that the folds are there to make the creature functional and to compliment its overall beastly appearance rather than just to make it look appealing or to merely indicate that we're dealing with females. (Not being able to tell is a decent indicator, I think.) Pretty cool, as far as I'm concerned.

[Panda]

Random question is your kitty by any chance an orange/blond color? If so that could be why a lot of people might be mistaking it for being male.

 

No, she doesn't look like Garfield She's black and white. People don't usually mistake gender of my other cats, but people always mistaken hers which is weird thing to me Overall boy cats tend to be larger in build (my cat isn't even large cat, she's small), but there really isn't other noticeable differences.

[Phoenix_Also_Rises]

Well technically speaking, when it comes to sexual dimorphism and seeing as birds of prey were mentioned way back, those have females larger than males, usually with the former outweighing the latter by about a third (the male is usually called a tiercel in certain parlance for this very reason). But it goes further than that. Females are much more muscular, robust and, most importantly, much more aggressive, which, with more intelligent or larger species like the Harris hawk or the golden eagle, respectively, can get you in a lot of trouble.

So seeing as turians are based off of birds of prey, nyreen should have been a heavyweight brawler next to garrus and his oh so slender frame :-D

Also I was under the impression that bubins sister was a half sister and an asari.

[SpaceLobster]

Also I was under the impression that bubins sister was a half sister and an asari.

She said: ''Coquettishly.......''

I don't believe she was an asari, although it would make sense since she worked at the Consort.

[HuldraDancer]

Interesting. Those actually look a lot more like fat folds than breasts to me and I really can't tell whether those are males or females. It could even be that the flatter ones are females, but who knows. This is definitely an interesting way to handle mammals if that's the case, imho. It's obvious that the folds are there to make the creature functional and to compliment its overall beastly appearance rather than just to make it look appealing or to merely indicate that we're dealing with females. (Not being able to tell is a decent indicator, I think.) Pretty cool, as far as I'm concerned.

Its not much but out of curiosity I did go back to see if any of them were addressed as male or female and one of the flat chested ones where, could be nothing more that going for male as default though for all I know. Still while I can really see how those can look like fat folds, to me I still think they are most likely breast and not because its really the only difference between the genders if that's whats going on but because as a mammal kind of creature it would make sense for the females to have breast. Also like you said they look like they were put on to appear functional which is another reason I think those female, but who knows maybe down the road it'll be revealed that those are the males or like you also suggested just fat folds Still if not seems an interesting way to handle a creature who's main difference is just breasts between genders if you ask me.

 

Sorry for the rambling there.

 

No, she doesn't look like Garfield She's black and white. People don't usually mistake gender of my other cats, but people always mistaken hers which is weird thing to me Overall boy cats tend to be larger in build (my cat isn't even large cat, she's small), but there really isn't other noticeable differences.

 

Actually I was asking cause from what I've noticed at least most blondish colored cats turn out to be male, not all but most. Guess people are just going for he as the default gender for your kitty? My youngest cousin does that even after her I've told her if its a boy or a girl at least a dozen times.

[Phoenix_Also_Rises]

@ SpaceLobster - I always thought the joke was that being "half" elcor she had certain mannerisms thereof despite looking asari. But could be wrong. Too tired to research proper.

[Jaquio]

Out of curiosity, do we actually know the elcor we've encountered are male?  Do they use male pronouns?  Or are we all just assuming based on voicing and their societal rank?

 

Could it be that ever elcor we've ever encountered is actually female? 

[SpaceLobster]

@ SpaceLobster - I always thought the joke was that being "half" elcor she had certain mannerisms thereof despite looking asari. But could be wrong. Too tired to research proper.

If I recall correctly she was refered to (by the subtitles) as ''Coquettish Elcor Honey''...

[Vanilka]

Out of curiosity, do we actually know the elcor we've encountered are male?  Do they use male pronouns?  Or are we all just assuming based on voicing and their societal rank?

 

Could it be that ever elcor we've ever encountered is actually female? 

 

From the mission you can get from Sha'ira the Consort in ME1, I know General Oraka refers to the elcor diplomat (who he lied to about her having given up his secrets) with male pronouns. If that's any indication, I don't know. I'd need to check other places, but I'm pretty sure I've never heard anyone say "she" or "her" in relation with an elcor. Unless I missed it.

[Phoenix_Also_Rises]

If I recall correctly she was refered to (by the subtitles) as ''Coquettish Elcor Honey''...

 

Consulted wiki (which I probably should have done in the first place) and yeah, sounds like she is a female elcor. Sorry for the misunderstanding and thank you for correcting me

[Sartoz]

Personally, I do think this is a good example. Females being bigger than males is not an uncommon occurrence in nature, too. It shows we don't need boobs or other overly humanoid sex characteristics to identify a female, as well. I also don't think we should necessarily always be able to safely tell a difference. I mean, at the end of the day, what does it matter? For example, with Salarians, I think it's a good move to have them look very similar. (Some minor differences wouldn't of course hurt.) I'm not saying we should never have aliens with boobs or humanoid characteristics, but given that we're talking aliens, I still think that unique, truly alien appearance should be a priority. Like the couple of frogs in the comic, you then immediately realise they're very different from us and that will probably reflect to their lifestyles, culture, etc. and that makes them interesting. Such characters basically write themselves. This all makes the world so much more lively, colourful and interesting.

 

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A truly alien species, compared to mammalian ones, would be seriously problematic. Especially so, for non Oxy breathers. Methane breathers or Silicon based lifeforms would really not fit in a Central Hub (ie: Citadel like). I would postulate that little common frame of references would exist.... trade being one of the few.

 

But, since this is a fictional universe, slapping on boobies to make them look more palatable to us humans (Quarians anyone?) isn't such a bad move.  On the other hand, a human female romancing a Turian makes no sense to me. Since alien chemical/biological makeup is different from ours, body odour comes into play.... and we all, I'm sure, have met someone with that problem.

[Vanilka]

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A truly alien species, compared to mammalian ones, would be seriously problematic. Especially so, for non Oxy breathers. Methane breathers or Silicon based lifeforms would really not fit in a Central Hub (ie: Citadel like). I would postulate that little common frame of references would exist.... trade being one of the few.

 

But, since this is a fictional universe, slapping on boobies to make them look more palatable to us humans (Quarians anyone?) isn't such a bad move.  On the other hand, a human female romancing a Turian makes no sense to me. Since alien chemical/biological makeup is different from ours, body odour comes into play.... and we all, I'm sure, have met someone with that problem.

 

I think, and it's just my opinion, that not every race needs to be palatable. Don't take me wrong. I love beautiful women. I love beautiful men. I love beautiful humanoid looking aliens. And I sure do understand that humanoid features make aliens look more attractive and relatable. However, I don't know why we necessarily need several very humanoid looking alien races. And I'm not sure that "It looks like it can be banged," should be a defining characteristic for any race, lol. (We already have the asari for that.) We're in space. The life forms could possibly look like nothing any human has ever seen or could imagine. (I mean, am I the only one excited about that? ALIENS!) So restricting everything to a human with a different head, or a human with different legs, etc. can be really limiting. Plus, humans are sick bastards enough to enjoy different races, too. Garrus being a proof of that, lol. (Although I've also never understood how exactly that would work, but more power to them.)

 

Another thing is believability. Maybe it doesn't matter to some people, but putting boobs on a creature that's basically made of metal and bones just comes across as really funny, imho. Especially if they don't breastfeed their young. Is it really necessary to make such a creature look palatable? (Imagine boobs on a salarian... Actually... please, don't... Bad idea. Abort! Abort mission!) That would be the question. We have some pretty awesome races that look nothing like us - like the krogan or yahg. I don't think that hurts anything. Heck, I want to know more about the hanar and how they deal with life with those tentacles. Etc. Aliens are too cool of a concept to be all made so similar to us. We can always have a few humanoid races and then some really bizarre ones, after all.

 

I agree that aliens that need different living conditions would have to be handled in some way. We do have the volus, for example. I don't think living conditions also necessarily relate to having breasts or humanoid features, though. When you look at fauna here on Earth, there are so many different species, so many different creatures, and they all breathe air. Breathing air is not really in the way of diversity, imho, although if there's any biologist around, feel free to correct me.

 

Then again, that's just my opinion anyway.

[SpaceLobster]

Consulted wiki (which I probably should have done in the first place) and yeah, sounds like she is a female elcor. Sorry for the misunderstanding and thank you for correcting me

Glad to help  .