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[Mirrman70]

I believe that this happens before the reapers invade since the Dev's have said it happens in the same time frame.

[Paulomedi]

None. Marauder Shields (when it's completed) will be my canon ending.

 

And after ME3 and all that happened afterwards, I will only buy MEA if it has VERY positive reviews from independent people, not IGN drones and similars. Oh, and after a substantial price drop.

[Ahglock]

I understand what you are saying.

However, I would humbly suggest that there is a significant difference between saying:

1. In my subjective opinion, blue (or the Monet Lisa) is the worst color (paintings); and

2. Here are the objective, fact based arguments as to why blue (or the Monet Lisa) is the worst color (painting).

 

I guess that is one way to look at it.  The other is something like.

 

3.  I think coffee is awesome, here are 5 facts that support my opinion on the awesome power of coffee. 1.  Studies show a cup of coffee a day can reduce the odds of getting type 2 diabetes by X %. etc.

 

I have no idea if his link follows through on this premise, but this is how I read his sig. 

 

While opinions are just your opinions man, people can use factual elements to form them. It get a bit hinky in the realm of art because so much of it is subjective.  Basically at best you can use facts to prove various parts of a story exist, this character is a mary sue, the crucible is a x style plot device and maybe you can show there is a consensus in writing circles or experts that those things are bad. But you are always stuck with a subjective take on it. 

[Jaquio]

The smartest thing they could do is to simply move past the events of the original trilogy and revisit as little as possible.  There are still a number of people with reservations and dissatisfaction towards the direction the game series has made, and moving on to new possibilities is probably the safest alternative.

 

But that won't happen because BW loves callbacks and cameos, so I expect the result will be a bit of a messy handwave. 

 

 

My personal opinion is subjective of course.  I'd like to think it's an opinion of quality, as It's based off decades of studying literature.  But said opinion is that the ME3 ending was a catastrophically sloppy narrative implosion.  Any attempt to reconcile the loose ends and hastily duct-taped themes amateurishly grafted on at the end are just going to bring back negative emotions regarding how it was handled, and that's not a good way to start a new game.  So quickly moving on to new things would be best.

[MercilessToaster]

Zero. Zilch.

 

I don't want to see, hear or smell anything that remotely references events or characters from the original trilogy, unless we're talking about incontrovertible evidence that Shepard died from a horrible alien STD like the worthless creature he always was. I'd let it slide just so I can watch the fanboys convulse for another 3-4 years.

[Jen-Yu]

    my beautiful femshep beat the reapers and survived,I don't need any closure and I do not expect either.so if you ask me; why 'the ending' was so terrible, I can tell 20 reasons quickly, probably 'closure' wouldn't be on the list.

[LinksOcarina]

None. Marauder Shields (when it's completed) will be my canon ending.

 

And after ME3 and all that happened afterwards, I will only buy MEA if it has VERY positive reviews from independent people, not IGN drones and similars. Oh, and after a substantial price drop.

 

Define independent people.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I chose synthesis on my last play through of ME3. Shepard is dead and the Milky Way is green. EDI is alive and had 12 iChildren with Joker. Tali and a Geth are in love. I got my closure.

[Paulomedi]

Define independent people.

User reviews.

[wolfsite]

How about for closer we have Mark Meer and Jennifer Hale sing a revised duet of "Let it go" during the title sequence of ME:A

[pdusen]

User reviews.

 

Yes, because those are never misleading.

[Zatche]

None. ME3 resolved all the political and personal conflicts.

 

Spoiler

Reapers? Threat resolved

Geth/Quarian War? Ended, one way or another

The Genophage? Cured or "Cured"

Miranda? Confronted her father and resolved her daddy issues...or is dead

Tali? Found a home for her people...or is dead

Grunt? Found a way to channel his aggression and a place in the Krogan ranks...or is dead

Jack? No longer a murdering pirate and teaches at the academy...or mourns them...or is dead

Mordin? Dead...and maybe he resolved his guilt over the Genophage...or maybe he changed his mind and is alive

Thane? Dead...and maybe he made peace with his son first

I could go on, but I don't see any dangling plot threads.

[KaiserShep]

Even the batarians' beef with the humans is essentially resolved, because the hegemony is left in ruins and the remainder can fight alongside everyone else. 

[Paulomedi]

Yes, because those are never misleading.

They can be misleading. But, after seeing many reviews, one can come with an honest estimate about the game's quality overall. And, of course, I can always check bsn for some quality people to tell me how they feel about the game.

[DFMelancholine]

Call me crazy but why do I have this feeling that we will revisit the ME3 endings in the future?

I just do and when I say future I mean far away in the future like post-Andromeda saga.

Especially if they go with the Ark theory and people leave for Andromeda chronologically before the endings.

That gives them time to basically ignore the endings for now, yeah it's been 3 years but the wound hasn't healed.It also leaves that open window to maybe like 15 years from now when EA wants to keep milking the franchise that they could pull the ultimate  mind**** and revisit the Milky Way and totally retcon or change the endings.

We've seen franchises so similar things when many years have passed.

 

It's totally crazy.But who knows?

[Nonoru]

None. Leave behind the first trilogy. It's a new start. 

[LinksOcarina]

They can be misleading. But, after seeing many reviews, one can come with an honest estimate about the game's quality overall. And, of course, I can always check bsn for some quality people to tell me how they feel about the game.

 

I disagree with that.

 

Problem is, user reviews are like critic reviews; just without a filter. Our inherent bias about a game tends to color any perception we may have when judging it.

 

For example, I guarantee a ton of users will give low marks simply because its an EA game or a BioWare game in some form. That is not a form of constructive criticism, just sour grapes or trolling.

 

And worse, since we all do user reviews all the time anyway, it also is an overload of information about judgement before actually trying the game. Group think at its worst. Not to mention the issues with opinion leaders influencing folks more than they should, especially those who don't recognize their inherent bias. Who you consider "quality people" is mostly tailored to personal taste as well.

 

I don't know, I am wary of user reviews just as much as I am wary of critic reviews. Been on both sides of that fence; there really is no difference at best, and at worst, it just shows how uneducated a group of people can be.

[Xaijin]

I disagree with that.

Problem is, user reviews are like critic reviews; just without a filter. Our inherent bias about a game tends to color any perception we may have when judging it.

For example, I guarantee a ton of users will give low marks simply because its an EA game or a BioWare game in some form. That is not a form of constructive criticism, just sour grapes or trolling.

And worse, since we all do user reviews all the time anyway, it also is an overload of information about judgement before actually trying the game. Group think at its worst. Not to mention the issues with opinion leaders influencing folks more than they should, especially those who don't recognize their inherent bias. Who you consider "quality people" is mostly tailored to personal taste as well.

I don't know, I am wary of user reviews just as much as I am wary of critic reviews. Been on both sides of that fence; there really is no difference at best, and at worst, it just shows how uneducated a group of people can be.

Semantics.

It's laughably easy to see if a view aligns with yours, and in the new age of concurrent video presentation, the objective elements are also taken care of. You can see quite plainly if the games aligns to your expectations, you can seek out like minded opinions and form an aggregate pastiche of general overviews and make your purchasing decision from there.

They are the same type of tool any aggregate presentation would be, and tend far more honest and forthright, and most importantly are likely to have neither political agendas nor need for page views.

[LinksOcarina]

Semantics.

It's laughably easy to see if a view aligns with yours, and in the new age of concurrent video presentation, the objective elements are also taken care of. You can see quite plainly if the games aligns to your expectations, you can seek out like minded opinions and form an aggregate pastiche of general overviews and make your purchasing decision from there.

They are the same type of tool any aggregate presentation would be, and tend far more honest and forthright, and most importantly are likely to have neither political agendas nor need for page views.

 

I have already said there is no objectivity in reviewing a game outside of broken elements of the said game. You put too much stock into people not having agendas or wanting attention too when they formulate opinions. 

 

Suffice to say, seeking out like-minded opinions is also a dangerous thing too. I don't know about you, but living in the echo chamber is not exactly charming, especially if everything you see or hear tailors to your expectations.

 

For example, there was a study done using Plants vs Zombies that showed how the suggestions of reviews directly influence our purchases of games.  This is using official reviews of course, but user reviews, especially if you are privy to the opinions of those you follow, would likely follow the same pattern, sadly that study has not been done.

 

It is literally the power of suggestion influencing our purchasing power, and since we formulate conclusions without complete information (we only hear of a slew of scores that we may agree with, or people who meet our expectations, etc.) then it becomes self-fulfilling. And that is not semantics, that is basic psychology.

[In Exile]

You can see quite plainly if the games aligns to your expectations, you can seek out like minded opinions and form an aggregate pastiche of general overviews and make your purchasing decision from there.

 

Sure, but that's not the same as finding a user review score, because the number is often meaningless (a "10" to you is not a "10" to me), and when there's no justification offered for the score it's impossible to even base your reception on something.

 

Also, talking about objectivity in - literally - the subjective assesment of a product nonsensical.

[Iakus]

Call me crazy but why do I have this feeling that we will revisit the ME3 endings in the future?

I just do and when I say future I mean far away in the future like post-Andromeda saga.

Especially if they go with the Ark theory and people leave for Andromeda chronologically before the endings.

That gives them time to basically ignore the endings for now, yeah it's been 3 years but the wound hasn't healed.It also leaves that open window to maybe like 15 years from now when EA wants to keep milking the franchise that they could pull the ultimate  mind**** and revisit the Milky Way and totally retcon or change the endings.

We've seen franchises so similar things when many years have passed.

 

It's totally crazy.But who knows?

It would be crazy.  Absolutely insane, in fact.

 

Leaving behind the ME3 endings is the one thing I actually approve of regarding this relocation to Andromeda.

[themikefest]

I want to know what happened to my number one fan Conrad Verner. I know he's seen walking away with Jenna, but what happened to him after the reapers were stopped? I also like to know if space hamster is ok. 

[DarthSliver]

I want to know what happened to my number one fan Conrad Verner. I know he's seen walking away with Jenna, but what happened to him after the reapers were stopped? I also like to know if space hamster is ok. 

screw the space hamster, what about the fish?

[Paulomedi]

I have already said there is no objectivity in reviewing a game outside of broken elements of the said game. You put too much stock into people not having agendas or wanting attention too when they formulate opinions. 

 

Suffice to say, seeking out like-minded opinions is also a dangerous thing too. I don't know about you, but living in the echo chamber is not exactly charming, especially if everything you see or hear tailors to your expectations.

 

For example, there was a study done using Plants vs Zombies that showed how the suggestions of reviews directly influence our purchases of games.  This is using official reviews of course, but user reviews, especially if you are privy to the opinions of those you follow, would likely follow the same pattern, sadly that study has not been done.

 

It is literally the power of suggestion influencing our purchasing power, and since we formulate conclusions without complete information (we only hear of a slew of scores that we may agree with, or people who meet our expectations, etc.) then it becomes self-fulfilling. And that is not semantics, that is basic psychology.

 

I agree with both views.

 

But I will not pre-order the game, nor buy it new. Again, after ME3, and after four years of BSN, I learned whom trust with a rational opinion about the quality of BW projects. Many times it doesn't involve agreeing with said person. Just respecting their opinion.

 

The same goes for many gaming sites on the internet.

[INVADERONE]

I think that this is an entire reboot. I don't think we will see old characters but it would be good to see at least some reference to what happened in ME3 but that may be hoping for a lot. 

 

If I were to desire some closure, it would be to know what happened to the Milky Way galaxy in total after. Not individual stories, although that would be great to know what happened to Liara, etc, but just a big general understanding of what is going on with humanity in general after the events of ME3. I don't ask for much this time around. I want BioWare to really get it right for this next game so story focus needs to be very important.