That's not a fact. It's an opinion. Calling it a fact is just childish. Are you going to hold your breath until someone else begrudgingly says it's a fact? Or flop down on the floor and scream and kick the air?
So, when he objectively states the endings provide enough closure, it's alright but when I say the endings objectively don't provide closure, suddenly everyone loses their minds? Sure thing. Go away, adults are talking.
Said the child who cries the loudest.
You say nothing that is a fact. It is an opinion, learn that right now.
When you have something factual to say, come back to me and I might care then. Otherwise, you are wasting my time.
Pot, meet kettle.
We have no idea if choices will be carrying over or not. Bioware has not confirmed one way or the other on it, though they have mentioned looking into doing a DA:Keep thing. Whether that is for future games after Andromeda and it will merely track your choices in Andromeda like DA:Keep does with DAI or to import Shepard Trilogy decisions, we don't know.
See I didn't know they were looking into a keep-like app.
If that is the case, maybe the decisions do matter in some form for Andromeda compared to the trilogy. I am sure Tuchanka, Rannoch, and the Rachni will be involved in it somehow if that is the case.
Which is why I don't think the move will be before the end.
I feel like it will be well after. For me it makes a lot more sense for them to go to Andromeda as an actual council mission; they have new technology and are the test run to other galaxies now that the Reapers are gone. Maybe it's even Reaper tech they use to do it.
Which also implies communication between the Milky Way and Andromeda, at least tangentially, and removes immediate danger of lack of of people involved in the expedition; one of the problems I have with the Ark Theory is if they are pulling what is essentially a Battlestar Galactica and having say 50,000 people or so going on the expedition, numbers will likely become too much of a liability to a lot of the objectives proposed in the leaks, namely the multiplayer modes and how resource gathering would work.
I doubt it.
The whole point of moving shop is avoiding the consequences of the choices made in ME3. That's only possible if we leave before. That doesn't mean, however, that we're leaving with a small population (five hundred thousand, five million, fifty million... all those are negligible portions of a galaxy wide demographic) and the game doesn't have to take place immediately after we arrive.
Why would you ever tell someone else how to feel about a game?
The fact that you did speaks volumes.
I'm not telling you how to feel. It doesn't affect me at all. I assure you, it doesn't matter.
I'm just making a sincere recommendation: stop waiting for something that's not going to happen. You don't want to? Okay! It's just that, advice. Don't like it don't take it.
I like the endings just fine, and I don't want ANY nods.
Part of the reason I'm excited we're going to Andromeda is that it's nice that our choices are being respected in the only way they can... By getting away from Schrodinger's Geth and the rest of it, and instead giving us many of the shiny things we love and brand new vistas that we can mess up with our choices..
So, when he objectively states the endings provide enough closure, it's alright but when I say the endings objectively don't provide closure, suddenly everyone loses their minds? Sure thing. Go away, adults are talking.
I like the endings just fine, and I don't want ANY nods.
Part of the reason I'm excited we're going to Andromeda is that it's nice that our choices are being respected in the only way they can... By getting away from Schrodinger's Geth and the rest of it, and instead giving us many of the shiny things we love and brand new vistas that we can mess up with our choices..
What choices were those again? Please help me remember.
What choices were those again? Please help me remember.
Tuchanka. Rannoch. That... abomination that was the ending.
Some people want their choice to be respected, even if they didn't like how it all went down. Not something I relate to personally — I would have been fine with a canon ending. But it is a fairly prevalent attitude.
I doubt it.
The whole point of moving shop is avoiding the consequences of the choices made in ME3. That's only possible if we leave before. That doesn't mean, however, that we're leaving with a small population (five hundred thousand, five million, fifty million... all those are negligible portions of a galaxy wide demographic) and the game doesn't have to take place immediately after we arrive.
The thing though, is how do we know that? Most of that belief is conjecture and just fans theorizing on the timetable.
The Mass Effect 4 leak said the following if you remember:
The next Mass Effect game takes place in the Helius Cluster (a cluster of 100s of solar systems in the Andromeda Galaxy), far removed by time and space from Commander Shepard’s heroic acts and the final events of the Mass Effect trilogy
The thing that sticks out from me is how it says far removed by time and space. Yes by distance Andromeda is far from the Milky Way, we all agree on that. But time and space also implies it takes place after the trilogy events.
The wording is ambiguous at worst, but if you ask me, time and space is basically saying years, centuries, whatever it is, from the events of the trilogy. If the events were during Mass Effect 3 before the final battle, there be no reason to mention "far removed by time and space", they would literally say before the final battle takes place.
Not to mention much of the writeup would also be different. The Pathfinder Initiative seems like a sort of "Lewis and Clark" type of group tasked for exploration over preservation, but thats how I read into it.
The real issue in the end is we just don't know until they tell us.
Tuchanka. Rannoch. That... abomination that was the ending.
Some people want their choice to be respected, even if they didn't like how it all went down. Not something I relate to personally — I would have been fine with a canon ending. But it is a fairly prevalent attitude.
The ending wasn't really much of a choice though. Bioware didn't respect us with the ending. Why are you suddenly believing them now when they say they want to respect our choices with Andromeda?
Someone else being stupid means it's OK for you to be stupid? Two wrongs don't make a right. They make two wrongs. Grow up.
I never said anything was objectively a fact though.
I may be sniping back at him, but as far as i'm concerned hes wrong regarding his statements because he did, which is objectively wrong.
Anyone confused yet 
?
In all seriousness why bother at this point, no need to give someone attention.
I never said anything was objectively a fact though.
I may be sniping back at him, but as far as i'm concerned hes wrong regarding his statements because he did, which is objectively wrong.
Anyone confused yet
Yes you did I'm afraid.
I'm not telling you how to feel. It doesn't affect me at all. I assure you, it doesn't matter.
I'm just making a sincere recommendation: stop waiting for something that's not going to happen. You don't want to? Okay! It's just that, advice. Don't like it don't take it.
The thing though, is how do we know that? Most of that belief is conjecture and just fans theorizing on the timetable.
With the technology available in the ME universe (that is, assuming they don't just pull stuff out of their collective ass) it would take at least two hundred years to get to Andromeda. Probably more, as those are extremely unlikely optimal conditions. Whether the 'Ark' is a generation ship or uses cryonics (if the concept art shown is of the Ark I'm going for the former), it'll be centuries before it reaches its destination.
The ending wasn't really much of a choice though. Bioware didn't respect us with the ending. Why are you suddenly believing them now when they say they want to respect our choices with Andromeda?
The definition of choice is tricky. Some people regard Control/Destroy/Synthesis/Refuse as a choice they would like to see preserved, which is impossible without choosing a canon or avoiding it altogether.
With the technology available in the ME universe (that is, assuming they don't just pull stuff out of their collective ass) it would take at least two hundred years to get to Andromeda. Probably more, as those are extremely unlikely optimal conditions. Whether the 'Ark' is a generation ship or uses cryonics (if the concept art shown is of the Ark I'm going for the former), it'll be centuries before it reaches its destination.
The definition of choice is tricky. Some people regard Control/Destroy/Synthesis/Refuse as a choice they would like to see preserved, which is impossible without choosing a canon or avoiding it altogether.
Those people seem to have very low standards when it comes to choice. But, whatever floats their boat I guess....
What do you think of someone who goes around giving un-asked for advice?
Generally does not reflect well.
I... don't really mind it? I think we may be dealing with a bit of a cultural gap. I do apologize for any offense taken and promise to be more careful in the future (I assure you it wasn't intended), if it's worth anything 
Eh. I'd just as soon not have my control be similar enough to my synthesis to my destroy to be dealt with reasonably. I'm happy we're leaving, because it means we're not going to have to make the various save states.
Buuuut I never minded the endings that much to begin with. And I like thinking that my Shepards wound up in very different places.
With the technology available in the ME universe (that is, assuming they don't just pull stuff out of their collective ass) it would take at least two hundred years to get to Andromeda. Probably more, as those are extremely unlikely optimal conditions. Whether the 'Ark' is a generation ship or uses cryonics (if the concept art shown is of the Ark I'm going for the former), it'll be centuries before it reaches its destination.
But again, that is still conjecture.
Which also implies who they send on the Ark is not going to be alive by the time we get to Andromeda, outside of Asari, which in turn...just doesn't seem right in the end.
I would also presume the council will only allow council races onto this ark project, leaving the Krogan in the dust, and we know they are in the game, unless Wrex knew something we didn't and couldn't tell us in Mass Effect 3.
I don't know, I feel like what were going to see is reverse engineered technology by the Reapers, or some sort of plot device, to allow players to reach Andromeda faster, or improve warp drives or whatever it may be. I guess we shall see in the end.
Those people seem to have very low standards when it comes to choice. But, whatever floats their boat I guess....
Uh... There's a lot of difference between those four. Certainly more than "Save council, y/n?" or "Collector base, y/n?" That's part of the reason I like them. And I don't want to see my favorite part of the endings trivialized.
See I didn't know they were looking into a keep-like app.
If that is the case, maybe the decisions do matter in some form for Andromeda compared to the trilogy. I am sure Tuchanka, Rannoch, and the Rachni will be involved in it somehow if that is the case.
Yep. They were talking about how well Dragon Age Keep worked with handling importing the decisions of Dragon Age: Origins and Dragon Age 2 as well as recording the decisions made in Dragon Age: Inquisition, and mentioned how they may look into doing something similar for the Mass Effect franchise.
Since we're in a different galaxy, if they do it I expect nothing more than just adding different flavor to certain conversations since most of the differences won't be seen and those that are can be worked into different dialogue or even homogenized to an extent with not much effort. Like with the Genophage, either it was cured by Shepard and the others during the Reaper War or after the Reaper War the Council saw the benefits of a cured Krogan people in clearing out new worlds in Andromeda for colonization.Or even how the Genophage has not been cured, but with less hostile worlds than Tuchanka possibly being available for colonization, more Krogan will live to adulthood and the population will rise. If it's even more reactive than that, that's great.
.............I just really hope they don't get wonky, space-magic-y and try and bring Shep back as a NPC.
That you can potentially kill off. Again.
That Not!PC, N7 guy concerns me sometimes. But I try not to think about it.
But again, that is still conjecture.
Well, everything's conjecture until more is actually revealed 
Which also implies who they send on the Ark is not going to be alive by the time we get to Andromeda, outside of Asari, which in turn...just doesn't seem right in the end.
Again, cryonics are a possibility. And even if not, I don't share the opinion that it 'doesn't seem right'. Playing as colonists far removed from their Milky ancestors seems interesting to me.
I would also presume the council will only allow council races onto this ark project, leaving the Krogan in the dust, and we know they are in the game, unless Wrex knew something we didn't and couldn't tell us in Mass Effect 3.
What makes you think it's a Council operation? That's pure conjecture 
I think it's more likely it's otherwise. People like TIM knew about the Reapers decades before they arrived. I'm not saying he's the one behind it, but he wasn't the only want that knew either.
I don't know, I feel like what were going to see is reverse engineered technology by the Reapers, or some sort of plot device, to allow players to reach Andromeda faster, or improve warp drives or whatever it may be. I guess we shall see in the end.
Actually, I used the Reapers' speed to get that two hundred figure. But sure, they could make something up, hence the disclaimer.
Yep. They were talking about how well Dragon Age Keep worked with handling importing the decisions of Dragon Age: Origins and Dragon Age 2 as well as recording the decisions made in Dragon Age: Inquisition, and mentioned how they may look into doing something similar for the Mass Effect franchise.
That could simply mean they're starting a new trilogy with MEA and plan to use it to carry over stuff into MEA2.
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