303 réponses à ce sujet

[ShadyKat]

Bioware seems like they just want to move on the the original trilogy. Which is fine imo. Leave something for the fans imagination.

[DarthSliver]

Let's keep it real, Mass Effect 3 wasn't a bad game.  In fact many would agree it's one of the best.  Yes, some were upset about the ending, and thus the Extended Cut DLC was born.  Others still haven't gotten over the ending despite the game being out for almost 4 years.

 

The series as a whole, has its flaws, but it has its shining moments.  It's safe to say, the Mass Effect Universe is one of the most popular to have came out in the past 8 years.

 

I hope the devs can take everything good about ME and improve upon it, and everything bad -- either cut it from the game or fully flesh it out.

I just want to add to this it was the best game until you beat the endings, I feel the endings quite literally ruined the series as a whole because I can't get myself to do a trilogy run more than once because when I get back to the ME3 ending I see the failure of the ending. Oh and when I say ending I mean the Starkid crap, I believe the game should've ended with you pressing the big red button and all your choices could've been how effective it was due to your fleets ability to defend the Crucible. All your choices being seen right there and then not ending with another choice, that just made all the choices throughout the series mean nothing in my opinion. That is ultimately why I and many people still hurt from the endings, its not that be series is bad its that the series is so good that the endings of ME3 ruin everything. 

[DarthSliver]

The cycle must always continue. I say that in jest, but it's more accurate than people think sometimes.

 

I must say I support Andromeda because I hope that Bioware won't make a messed up ending like ME3 ending. Lets just face it the writers that night were drunk off their asses when they wrote the ME3 endings lol  Also the ME3 ending is the only thing thats bad about the Trilogy as a whole in my opinion, its why I advocate Bioware to just canonize an ending because all 3 really do take player choices during the trilogy away and craps them in our faces.

 

But I support Andromeda because Mass Effect as a whole series was good, however big the blight of the ME3 endings are I am sure the Bioware understands the hate for them at this point. I will hope that Bioware won't make the same mistake ending like in the METrilogy. Honestly I think Bioware is better off doing what they do with Dragon Age and making them standalone titles, where we make our choices but we are unlikely to see them take affect anytime soon like the following sequel soon lol.  

[stargatefan1990]

I just want to add to this it was the best game until you beat the endings, I feel the endings quite literally ruined the series as a whole because I can't get myself to do a trilogy run more than once because when I get back to the ME3 ending I see the failure of the ending. Oh and when I say ending I mean the Starkid crap, I believe the game should've ended with you pressing the big red button and all your choices could've been how effective it was due to your fleets ability to defend the Crucible. All your choices being seen right there and then not ending with another choice, that just made all the choices throughout the series mean nothing in my opinion. That is ultimately why I and many people still hurt from the endings, its not that be series is bad its that the series is so good that the endings of ME3 ruin everything. 

This is exactly how i feel aswell and I am still looking forward to Andromeda despite still feeling hurt over the poor ending(s) just won't be pre ordering this time around.   

[duckley]

At most there will be some codex type reference to Shepard or one or two of the other main characters from the first trilogy. Maybe some sort of  Easter Eggy references. That would be fun and all that I would expect.

[LinksOcarina]

I must say I support Andromeda because I hope that Bioware won't make a messed up ending like ME3 ending. Lets just face it the writers that night were drunk off their asses when they wrote the ME3 endings lol  Also the ME3 ending is the only thing thats bad about the Trilogy as a whole in my opinion, its why I advocate Bioware to just canonize an ending because all 3 really do take player choices during the trilogy away and craps them in our faces.

 

But I support Andromeda because Mass Effect as a whole series was good, however big the blight of the ME3 endings are I am sure the Bioware understands the hate for them at this point. I will hope that Bioware won't make the same mistake ending like in the METrilogy. Honestly I think Bioware is better off doing what they do with Dragon Age and making them standalone titles, where we make our choices but we are unlikely to see them take affect anytime soon like the following sequel soon lol.  

 

I agree in part to this.

 

What I think will happen is each Mass Effect series is going to be different intervals, much like how some sci-fi shows often focus on different points of view each season of their show. Farscape and Babylon 5 come to mind as major examples of that; same cast, but different, growing problems.

 

I think what we may see is the Andromeda Trilogy, so to speak, then after that, the next Mass Effect trilogy and so on; it will be like seasons of a TV show, or a cluster of movies designed to go together, that sort of thing. Nothing wrong with that either if you ask me; I think doing it like Dragon Age, where the games are standalone outside of the world, is not the way to go though with Sci-Fi.

[prosthetic soul]

Why? 99% of all RPGs with multiple endings end on a slide-show montage.

 

Besides it's not just a slide-show montage, the EC also added extra cutscenes.

All in all, the EC gave me plenty of closure. More than enough.

Fixed that for ya

[Quarian Master Race]

Fixed that for ya

You're right. EC gave ME (Mass Effect) as a franchise plenty of closure. More than enough, in fact.

[prosthetic soul]

You're right. EC gave ME (Mass Effect) as a franchise plenty of closure. More than enough, in fact.

Dohoho, nice try.   It did not give me enough closure.

[Gwydden]

Dohoho, nice try.   It did not give me enough closure.

But by that logic, there will always be someone somewhere who didn't get enough closure from a story. You'd be asking for an unachievable standard.

[prosthetic soul]

But by that logic, there will always be someone somewhere who didn't get enough closure from a story. You'd be asking for an unachievable standard.

I didn't provide any formula or logical equation though.  I stated my opinion.  What you stated was "logic".  And it was terrible logic.  Which made no sense.  And is obviously grasping for straws.  I've had plenty of times where I was satisfied with the closure of a film and video game. The Witcher 3 for example.  Binary Domain is another one.  Shadow of the Colossus is another one.   And ICO.  The list goes on and on and on and on and.... 

 

The fact remains that the ending pissed of a great number of people and caused Bioware to backpedal, thereby releasing the EC.  Whereas a game like Jade Empire didn't.  What can we deduce from this?  The ending made no sense, gave more questions than answers, and yes, offered no closure.  Yes there were some who WERE satisfied but those are PROBABLY statistical outliers at the time the ending came out. 

[Artemis_Entrari]

For me, none.  ME3 is done and over with.  They didn't provide (adequate) closure at the end of ME3, IMO, despite the extended endings.  But what's done is done.  No point hampering the writers of the new game just to try and fix the shortcomings of the writers of the previous series.

 

I'd be happy with zero reference to the ending of ME3.  Depending on the story, it's okay if they simply mention there was a Reaper war or whatever.  But no specifics need to be mentioned, and do NOT include companions from the previous trilogy.  That would completely ruin it for me.

[Gwydden]

I didn't provide any formula or logical equation though.  I stated my opinion.

Of course, but you've been arguing that MEA needs to provide closure for the original trilogy. I'm pointing out that just because you, personally, didn't get that closure it doesn't mean they must provide it.

 

Which made no sense.  And is obviously grasping for straws.  I've had plenty of times where I was satisfied with the closure of a film and video game. The Witcher 3 for example.  Binary Domain is another one.  Shadow of the Colossus is another one.   And ICO.  The list goes on and on and on and on and.... 

I don't see how that undermines my point at all. I guarantee that for every one of those games, there is someone somewhere who feels they didn't get enough closure.

[prosthetic soul]

Of course, but you've been arguing that MEA needs to provide closure for the original trilogy. I'm pointing out that just because you, personally, didn't get that closure it doesn't mean they must provide it.

 

I don't see how that undermines my point at all. I guarantee that for every one of those games, there is someone somewhere who feels they didn't get enough closure.

You're really not looking at the bigger picture here.  None of those games had pathological liars as lead developers who said beforehand they would answer all the lingering questions, would provide a variety of endings, and none of those games had such a massive following for 5 years straight.  Those people who think Binary Domain for instance didn't have enough closure are in the extreme EXTREME minority.  Whereas this is not the case with Mass Effect.

 

I never said they MUST provide closure anyway.  I just said they should.  They won't.  But they should.  At least, if they want my money for Andromeda. I'm just tired of the people speaking for everyone else when they say that the EC offered enough closure for ALL OF US.  It's grating and needs to effing cease. 

 

And you seem to be operating under the assumption that even if a large enough number of people make a ruckus about something, there shouldn't be any change?  If enough people are mad about something, ANYTHING can be swayed to change.  It stands to reason. 

 

EDIT:  You know what?   Forget all the above.  Let me discredit your argument with a single reciprocating sentence. 

 

Just because you think that the EC offered enough closure doesn't mean that Bioware shouldn't add more clarity in Andromeda for those of us who found the EC greatly lacking.

[LinksOcarina]

 

I never said they MUST provide closure anyway.  I just said they should.  They won't.  But they should.  At least, if they want my money for Andromeda. I'm just tired of the people speaking for everyone else when they say that the EC offered enough closure for ALL OF US.  It's grating and needs to effing cease. 

 

 

EDIT:  You know what?   Forget all the above.  Let me discredit your argument with a single reciprocating sentence. 

 

Just because you think that the EC offered enough closure doesn't mean that Bioware shouldn't add more clarity in Andromeda for those of us who found the EC greatly lacking.

 

Funny, that is how I feel about people relentlessly chiding folks about things they say regarding the ending, or you know, making obtuse replies that say nothing?

 

At this point i'm more or less joking with you of course, I do apologize if I was too aggressive before though. 

 

On to the main point though. I don't speak for anyone but myself when I talk on this forum, so frankly I don't give a fig if you agree or not with whatever I say, it is an opinion until stated otherwise. However, this line you post in your edit is, inevitably, meaningless in the grand scheme of things because the simple truth only people who agree with you, believe you to be correct, and that probably doesn't include BioWare in any way.

 

I can see your point about clarity, but frankly, I feel like any attempt outside of referencing the change in the galaxy (presuming were in the aftermath of the Reaper Invasion, not leaving before it) will be done through casual discussion about events "from 300 years ago" or something like that. Not to mention it is very unlikely people will know how or why and at best have interpretations as to how or why things happened as they did. After all, they weren't in the room with Shepard.

 

If they do put something in that clarifies the end, then the real problem is agreeing with it. Chances are, any clarification at this point cements what was seen already, so it becomes redundant.BioWare made it clear how they saw the endings to Mass Effect 3, thats why they didn't change them but instead added content that alleviated a lot of the inconsistencies people had with the ending at the time.

 

Were all of them resolved? No, there are still some issues of course, but to rectify those would call for a complete rewrite of the ending itself, and thats just not going to happen. So the question of whether or not BioWare should or shouldn't clarify the ending is a moot point; in all liklihood BioWare believes they did, and any continuation of clarity would be a rehashing of what was said before in ten different ways. 

[prosthetic soul]

Anywho, I just thought up an analogy that would perfectly explain the logical fallacy in arguing that Andromeda should not offer more closure for ME 3. 

 

Players were satisfied with the ME 3 ending are basically upper-class survivors in a post-apocalyptic wasteland who have managed to come across a hidden stash of food and water.   Some less well-off folk (people who disliked the ending and want more closure) discover the location soon after but the upper-class group gorge themselves on the stash since they already have plenty of supplies of their own to begin with.  The less well-off group manage to get a few bites in but thanks to the voracious appetites of post-apocalyptic bourgeois, they don't get much.  

 

Shortly afterward a band of raiders comes in it and snatches it all away, causing both groups to flee together in panic. 

 

"Way to go you snobs!  We haven't had our fill yet!  Now thanks to you we're starving for more!"

 

The upper-class survivors respond haughtily

 

"Why do we care if you need more?  Our bellies are plenty full!  Now off with you!"

[In Exile]

What do people actually think "closure" is supposed to mean? ME3 wrapped up all the plot points it introduced. That it did it badly (in the sense that you disagreed with the execution or writing) doesn't mean it left open-ended. There really isn't anything - apart from Shepard's life in destroy - that was at all open-ended about the endings. Everything else would be fodder for follow-up stories, but that's not the same as not having 'closed' the plot thread. It's like saying Feros didn't have enough closure because it would still be possible to set stories there.

[The Heretic of Time]

Just made your post worse for you.

 

Okay thanks bro.

 

Anyway, the EC gave us plenty of closure. But for some people, 'plenty' is still not enough. To those people: too bad son, but that's really on you, not on BioWare.

[Kabooooom]

Its super funny to me that people expect closure. Do they not realize the incredibly obvious reason that the story is moving to Andromeda in the first place???

To avoid the endings, and consequently NOT provide closure. Herp a derp. Move on. Andromeda will be a great game. Forget Shepard.

[The Heretic of Time]

Anywho, I just thought up an analogy that would perfectly explain the logical fallacy in arguing that Andromeda should not offer more closure for ME 3. 

 

Players were satisfied with the ME 3 ending are basically upper-class survivors in a post-apocalyptic wasteland who have managed to come across a hidden stash of food and water.   Some less well-off folk (people who disliked the ending and want more closure) discover the location soon after but the upper-class group gorge themselves on the stash since they already have plenty of supplies of their own to begin with.  The less well-off group manage to get a few bites in but thanks to the voracious appetites of post-apocalyptic bourgeois, they don't get much.  

 

Shortly afterward a band of raiders comes in it and snatches it all away, causing both groups to flee together in panic. 

 

"Way to go you snobs!  We haven't had our fill yet!  Now thanks to you we're starving for more!"

 

The upper-class survivors respond haughtily

 

"Why do we care if you need more?  Our bellies are plenty full!  Now off with you!"

 

Your analogy is completely bogus. It's not like some of us got an upper-class ending and some of us got a lower-class ending. We all got the same endings. It just happens that some of us are content with the reasonable amount of closure that we got after the EC while others still aren't satisfied and want even more.

A better analogy would be this:

A group of healthy lean people and a few fat people are going out for dinner. The healthy people and fatasses all order the same meal for the same price.

After eating their meal, neither the healthy people nor the fatasses are really satisfied. So the restaurant decides to give everyone a free dessert.

After the dessert everyone had eaten plenty of food. The healthy people were satisfied and had their fill. The fatasses were still hungry though (what do you expect? They're fatasses, they're always hungry!), so the fatasses demanded more food. The healthy people told the fat people to not be so unreasonable. They had plenty of food, they even got a free dessert! They don't need more food. But the fatasses didn't listen. They didn't have their fill so they demanded more food, much to the annoyance of both the restaurant owner and the healthy people, who thought the fat people were acting really irrational.

 

^

My analogy is better and closer to the truth.



 

[N7Jamaican]

Your analogy is completely bogus. It's not like some of us got an upper-class ending and some of us got a lower-class ending. We all got the same endings. It just happens that some of us are content with the reasonable amount of closure that we got after the EC while others still aren't satisfied and want even more.

A better analogy would be this:

A group of healthy lean people and a few fat people are going out for dinner. The healthy people and fatasses all order the same meal for the same price.

After eating their meal, neither the healthy people nor the fatasses are really satisfied. So the restaurant decides to give everyone a free dessert.

After the dessert everyone had eaten plenty of food. The healthy people were satisfied and had their fill. The fatasses were still hungry though (what do you expect? They're fatasses, they're always hungry!), so the fatasses demanded more food. The healthy people told the fat people to not be so unreasonable. They had plenty of food, they even got a free dessert! They don't need more food. But the fatasses didn't listen. They didn't have their fill so they demanded more food, much to the annoyance of both the restaurant owner and the healthy people, who thought the fat people were acting really irrational.

 

^

My analogy is better and closer to the truth.



 

 

LMAO

[prosthetic soul]

Okay thanks bro.

 

Anyway, the EC gave us plenty of closure. But for some people, 'plenty' is still not enough. To those people: too bad son, but that's really on you, not on BioWare.

No, I'm pretty you don't speak for everyone here.  Stop thinking your opinion is right while mine is wrong. 

[The Heretic of Time]

No, I'm pretty you don't speak for everyone here.  Stop thinking your opinion is right while mine is wrong. 

 

what I say isn't an opinion. Just like 1kg of rice being plenty of food to survive for a week isn't an opinion.

[AlanC9]

What do people actually think "closure" is supposed to mean? ME3 wrapped up all the plot points it introduced. That it did it badly (in the sense that you disagreed with the execution or writing) doesn't mean it left open-ended. There really isn't anything - apart from Shepard's life in destroy - that was at all open-ended about the endings. Everything else would be fodder for follow-up stories, but that's not the same as not having 'closed' the plot thread. It's like saying Feros didn't have enough closure because it would still be possible to set stories there.

/thread ?

[Jay P]

Alot of people had issues with the me3 endings, for many reasons (mine being no closure on the breath scene).

How much closure can we expect in the new game? Will BW throw us a bone, give us all a full fan-****** or try and forget the last few hours of ME3 ever existed?

Personally I'm hoping for a meeting with someone long-lived such as Liara or Grunt who can give a definitive account of what happend to Shep

My hope:

None.

The ark launches before the end of ME3.

Nobody knows what happens. And we never hear from or go back to the Milky Way Galaxy again.

I played the end of ME3. I don't need to be told what happened.