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The deceased sibling's relationship with the elder Hawke.


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The title of the threat is a bit awkward so allow me to elaborate.

 

In DA2, we only even see Bethany and Carver interact with an Hawke that is different from them AKA non-mage and mage respectivelly.

In this situation, Bethany relies heavily on Hawke and prefer if s/he is in the spotlight. On the other hand, Carver is resentful for being in Hawke's shadow and the only of the three not, as he views it, special.

 

However, would all of this hold true had they been interacting with a sibling who was like them?

For instance, would Carver still resent Hawke due to, despite not having magic, he or she still projects a long shadow? Or would the time spent serving in the army together have formed camaraderie between them? Maybe Hawke even taught his/her little brother some tricks.

 

And what about Bethany? Would she still blame herself for her family's troubles if there was another Hawke that needed to be concealed from the Templars?

 


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The title of the threat is a bit awkward so allow me to elaborate.

 

In DA2, we only even see Bethany and Carver interact with an Hawke that is different from them AKA non-mage and mage respectivelly.

In this situation, Bethany relies heavily on Hawke and prefer if s/he is in the spotlight. On the other hand, Carver is resentful for being in Hawke's shadow and the only of the three not, as he views it, special.

 

However, would all of this hold true had they been interacting with a sibling who was like them?

For instance, would Carver still resent Hawke due to, despite not having magic, he or she still projects a long shadow? Or would the time spent serving in the army together have formed camaraderie between them? Maybe Hawke even taught his/her little brother some tricks.

 

And what about Bethany? Would she still blame herself for her family's troubles if there was another Hawke that needed to be concealed from the Templars?

 

 

I think it still might be the same, just in a different way. I mean, my brother is a great martial artist and so far still kicks my ass.... I don't exactly "like" this.. Even though we're still adults. When younger, I looked up to him more though. Perhaps Carver is the same with Warrior/Rogue Hawke. He's still not an equal fighter.

 

Or maybe Warrior/Rogue Hawke is just more savvy or makes friends easier. Or has that something that makes Carver feel a little stupid or insecure in comparison. Maybe even at Ostagar, Hawke got along with those ornery Ash Warriors, and they loved her mabari. While Carver still felt weak, and couldn't even get a mabari imprinted to him yet. For example.

 

I think Rogue Hawke could particularly inspire Bethany.. I kind of headcanon it's the reason why Bethany is kept safe all of that time. Rogue Hawke is crafty and knows her way around, and protects both her and her sister. I could see Subterfuge and Shadow spec helping a mage pretty well. Or maybe she's funny and lightens up Bethany's depression when she's around. Like an ease with daily life that Bethany finds comfort in.



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I think Carver would still be jealous of Hawke and I think Bethany would still feel like she's causing her family problems. I think those things are part of their personalities rather than them being they way they are because of specific Hawke talents. 



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On a slightly related note, as much as I like my rogue Hawke, it's a bit of stretch when you meet Varric and even he praises you more and wants you on the expedition over Bethany. But if you're a mage with Carver, it makes a bit more sense how he feels overshadowed.



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Carver would be the same, but I don't think Bethany's plot would hold up of Hawke was also a mage.



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This is, in my opinion, one of the most missed opportunities of the Dragon Age II narrative.

 

I want very much to play the sibling relationship out with like-classed characters, particularly because of how they would have been raised.

 

Bethany and Hawke bonding after Leeandra's death, realizing that both of their offspring would likely carry magic further into the Amell and Hawke bloodlines? That they are the last of their family, and all the non-mages are no longer with them? I want that story.

 

It would also be fascinating to have them be divided in the inevitable conflict over magic.

 

A soldier Hawke and Carver arguing over whether or not to support magic? Or, both of them in the anti-magic camp, but arguing over whether or not joining the Templars is the best way to protect the city from blood mages? I want that story.

 

I know why the writers chose the path they did, but I think stories just as personal and just as divisive could have been told if the same-class sibling survived.


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I did think about this actually. I suspect Carver would feel significantly less resentful and abrasive. Although it might not entirely vanish, because Bethany does say he was such a showoff and he always wanted to prove himself. He just wouldn't have the same reason to resent a Hawke who didn't have magical talent or feel left out for not being a mage himself. 

 

Bethany probably wouldn't be that different. She felt guilty for the rest of the family protecting her all the time, but that was still with a mage father and everything that applies to a mage Hawke would have also applied to Malcolm.



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Isn't it established that Carver starts off with a boost in Rivalry and Bethany starts off with a boost in Friendship?

 

There you go. Bethany got along with Hawke, Carvery had a sibling rivalry going.



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It actually says something about this in Bethany and Carver's codex entries if they die in the prologue.

Bethany admired mage Hawke because they were a more confident mage, unafraid of their power. She looked up to them.

Carver was still resentful of warrior/rogue Hawke because they were a superior fighter. The one thing he was good at, Hawke was better at.

So, nothing much changes in that regard. Bethany is still slanted toward friendship and Carver to rivalry.