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[Felis Menari]

let's move on, now you take offense because someone questions someone else? This is the Theater of the Absurd

It's no more absurd than someone potentially assuming the worst, simply because of one comment that doesn't match up with their opinion.

[Spin-Orbit]

 

I personally think it's pathetic that some people need to use trainers to get through DAMP. They are enjoying the game the wrong way.

 

That said, I will NEVER "enjoy" ban waves. There is a living person behind that username who spent time and money on this game, just like you did, because they like Dragon Age. I don't see how you can take pleasure in getting someone locked out of their game, just because s/he use a methodology that, at the end of the day, doesn't affect you directly. 

 

Don't like a hacked lobby? Don't have to play in it. 

 

So someone is gaining prestige faster than someone else... how does that ruin your fun? I guess we have to agree to disagree because I don't understand how your enjoyment of the entire game pivots around the rate at which one number increments.

 

 

 

I think hypocrisy is worse than cheating.

 

Why is your opinion more of anything than V3gans? why all this i think they should do this or that? If there is a name behind the user there is also a person behind BW/Fiddz who said they will what they decide to do. Let this all be and heal? Stop the ****** for tat? My last post on this matter myself.

[Bearform]

And the community remains divided. This thread will likely be locked with another statement saying that BW can't be clearer.

 

"Could" means that it will happen or it will not happen, or anything in between. That is not the definition of "transparency" or "clear". In fact it is unsatisfactory and confusing as heck. 

 

"Clear" and "transparent" would mean BW telling us exactly what they plan to do with the abusers (or scoundrels, as Space have elegantly worded) such as banning or not banning, the timeline when the ban would take place. 

 

I really hope they ban the whole lot of the abusers. 

 

I would rather play with 10 people who do not cheat then play with 25 people of whom 15 are cheating. A small community of people I respect is better than a large community of mistrust. 

[Felis Menari]

The MP team has been as open about this subject as they are going to be. That has been made clear multiple times. All you can (reasonably) do is wait and see what happens.

[Brass_Buckles]

I ran across someone in a random lobby with this going on.  After about 3 rounds with infinite barrier and infinite guard, I was like:  This is just not fun.  Where is the challenge?   And then I exited that game and found a different one that wasn't cheating.  At first I had thought it would self-correct in the second or third zone, but it never did.

 

I am not sure if it's a bug or a hack, but what's the point in playing if you don't want the challenge?

[Bearform]

Right, Felis. And we have been waiting, for a very long time. And we are not happy with the development. That is why posts and threads about the issue keep popping up. If the issue was resolved, the posts and threads would stop. I know it is annoying but it is just a consequence of dissatisfaction with the current events. Normal human behaviors. 

[nanotm]

dunno about a cheak or hack but having guard generate on your toon randomly is an effect from the silent sister generating more guard than it needs when using a skill, which can be quite handy when your a lvl 1 necro that the dragon's fallen in love with ......

 

personally I find it rather offensive that everyone jumps up and down and crys hack/cheat when a new game mechanic is implemented or someone gets a weapon with an interesting twist, I was in a game earlier (me hosting) where some guy using a staff was randomly proccing pota on the target for 2 seconds the silent sister was generating guard on everyone (much appreciated) and I was almost perma invis whilst spamming attacks, a 4th guy joined the lobby and after 5 minutes started crying about hacks, strange then that as the person hosting I had no idea what he was on about, I know my staff made me invis a lot I know the silent sister was generating guard for the team (when we were close enough to her) so I can only assume it was the guy randomly casting pota on targets ..... unless he was thinking that walking bomb doing 40k to dragons was to much ........

[Kissraven]

 

That said, I will NEVER "enjoy" ban waves. There is a living person behind that username who spent time and money on this game, just like you did, because they like Dragon Age. I don't see how you can take pleasure in getting someone locked out of their game, just because s/he use a methodology that, at the end of the day, doesn't affect you directly. 

 

Don't like a hacked lobby? Don't have to play in it. 

 

So someone is gaining prestige faster than someone else... how does that ruin your fun? I guess we have to agree to disagree because I don't understand how your enjoyment of the entire game pivots around the rate at which one number increments.

 

Hypocrisy is my biggest pet peeve. Whenever I see something like it I just...

Maybe TLDR...lol  see below 

 

I have liked some of your posts, and appreciate what you are trying to say. However, I feel you and others with a similar view are missing the main point of what someone like Space V3gan and others are trying to say. You say that "hypocrisy" is your biggest peeve, but cheating is hypocrisy in it's truest form as it embodies someone who performs an action that is not in-line with their core beliefs. The people who went out of their way to "abuse" a glitch, even after the Dev's warning typically state they are not doing anything wrong, but I dare say little to no one in real life would put up with the person across from them cheating at cards, board games, sports, or even in any job environment. Sure things happen in real life but these same people would not just smile and say "good one" if they were the ones witnessing the cheating in real life. After all most of us are taught not to cheat when we are taught how to play games even as simple as chutes and ladders.

 

Also, while bans of any kind may not be ideal they are the form of discipline the Dev's have stated would happen and only bans. In life there are repercussions for our actions, again a form of "hypocrisy" is to believe that you do not deserve some form of discipline after engaging in actions that you clearly know are wrong and have been warned are wrong. In DAMP's case the word "abuse" is the only thing we have to go by for determining this, and there are clearly players that went out of their way to "abuse" a glitch. In life you try to meet the actions with the appropriate discipline, but we do not have that luxury in DAMP as the Dev's have stated that banning is the only form of discipline coming. I would rather have some players banned for "abusing" a glitch and show that BioWare is at least trying to keep my playing environment as fair as possible rather then just let all things slide.

 

This does open BioWare up to "hypocrisy" as well as some other players I agree, as you have stated in other posts why do some advocate discipline for some forms of cheating and not others. I admit this is a frustrating aspect to gaming, as I myself typically stay away from any actions that I feel are cheating, not always because it's cheating but sometimes because the mechanics of doing it are too cumbersome for me to enjoy or the gameplay is ruined by said actions. I do not think most people who advocate some form of discipline are saying they are more pious than others exactly, but that when there are clear examples of someone "abusing" a glitch we want an appropriate level of discipline to ensure our own gaming environment is as trustworthy as possible, and as enjoyable as possible. The majority of people fit into the "non-abuse" category so even if bans are to happen it would most likely be to less than 10% of the community and I dare say this is not enough to seriously cripple DAMP.

 

You mention there is a real life person behind a gammer tag, and they have their rights. Well, to put this in another form of "hypocrisy" I also am a real life person and I have my rights. To ignore ones rights at the cost of others is hypocrisy, but in the case of people who "abused" a glitch they are violating more than a ToS, they are violating the trust of a community. In this case they are to some degree risking their rights to DAMP because of this. For you or anyone that says their actions do not hurt anyone, I just feel sad as it makes wonder where do we all draw the line on our own actions. I like to think of people as being honest and that we do not need someone over our shoulder to ensure we act appropriately, but in the cyber-world we live in that is not always the case. 

 

I agree that hypocrisy is a frustrating thing, and it is impossible to avoid when discussing personal convictions and public actions. If some form of discipline is not kept even in a game then the hypocrisy actually grows and wither they realize it or not, the actions of the people that "abuse" glitches do hurt, they hurt themselves more than others as I am sure most of the people are good people in real life, but their actions support hypocrisy if no discipline happens. It's just too bad that the only discipline would be more severe than most truly want.

 

TLDR: 

1. Hypocrisy has many faces, the people who cheat, the people who allow cheating, the people who want cheaters disciplined but use cheats themselves. 

2. We are all human beings and we all have rights, but if you break the rules/laws you risk giving up some or all of these rights. This may be a game, but it is hypocritical to knowingly "abuse" something and not expect repercussions for your actions.

3. The ultimate form of hypocrisy is to not do anything at all. Wither you feel a ban is justified or not, if no discipline happens then hypocrisy wins and the community loses. Even a game has rules or a code of conduct, and once the community loses trust then the player base will crumble faster than if a few are appropriately disciplined for their choices.

[Bearform]

Bravo, Kissraven.

Very thought out and hard to argue with speech. 

 

Happy to see that people like you are on the side of having rules and appropriate punishments for abusing. 

Also happy to see that people who are against punishment are people like xxthat_guyxx. Warms my heart. 

[Felis Menari]

Bravo, Kissraven.
Very thought out and hard to argue with speech.

Happy to see that people like you are on the side of having rules and appropriate punishments for abusing.
Also happy to see that people who are against punishment are people like xxthat_guyxx. Warms my heart.

Not everyone against (severe) punishment over the XP exploit is like xxthat_guyxx. This XP exploit fiasco isn't as black and white as you seem to believe.

[Bearform]

Didn't say that everyone who against it was like xxthat_guyxx. Just some are. And I reserve my rights to see it as black and white. Would prefer a roll back on stats/prestige over a ban, but advocating for any form of punishments. 

[Felis Menari]

Didn't say that everyone who against it was like xxthat_guyxx. Just some are. And I reserve my rights to see it as black and white. Would prefer a roll back on stats/prestige over a ban, but advocating for any form of punishments.

I don't see roll backs happening. The time and effort required would be too great, me thinks. Bans are the most likely punishment; it's just a question of permanent, or temporary.

[SpaceV3gan]

 

I personally think it's pathetic that some people need to use trainers to get through DAMP. They are enjoying the game the wrong way.

 

That said, I will NEVER "enjoy" ban waves. There is a living person behind that username who spent time and money on this game, just like you did, because they like Dragon Age. I don't see how you can take pleasure in getting someone locked out of their game, just because s/he use a methodology that, at the end of the day, doesn't affect you directly. 

 

Don't like a hacked lobby? Don't have to play in it. 

 

To anyone upset by this: so someone is gaining prestige faster than someone else... how does that ruin your fun? I guess we have to agree to disagree because I don't understand how your enjoyment of the entire game pivots around the rate at which one number increments.

Behind that username there is a person who: a) breached the ToS overtly, which means that person has no respect neither for the community nor for anything game-related; a) is dedicating his/her time to blight the fun of others, regardless of what the definition of fun may or may not be; c) is *achievement 'number increments' which, for most people, would take several times the effort and dedication to the game.
Honest people have lost interested and hope in this game due to rampant cheating. While I do not play in hacked lobbies, I will not be acquiescent to their existence.

Glitches are wrong, but they are not of the same gravity. Getting two Full Draws without cooldown, Spawn Blocking or transferring earned XP from one character to another, as unethical as they might be, does not weight the same as getting one promotion four times faster than everyone else by deliberately glitching lobbies.

As a diligent player that I know you are, I am surprised to see you showing so much empathy for cheaters. Also, I have advocated alternatives to banning. I also find banning pretty extreme. However, in my humblest view, banning is still better than no action.

*edit typo: achieving, not achievement.

[sonofbarak]

 

I personally think it's pathetic that some people need to use trainers to get through DAMP. They are enjoying the game the wrong way.

 

That said, I will NEVER "enjoy" ban waves. There is a living person behind that username who spent time and money on this game, just like you did, because they like Dragon Age. I don't see how you can take pleasure in getting someone locked out of their game, just because s/he use a methodology that, at the end of the day, doesn't affect you directly. 

 

Don't like a hacked lobby? Don't have to play in it. 

 

To anyone upset by this: so someone is gaining prestige faster than someone else... how does that ruin your fun? I guess we have to agree to disagree because I don't understand how your enjoyment of the entire game pivots around the rate at which one number increments.

 

 

Hypocrisy is my biggest pet peeve. Whenever I see something like it I just...

 

 

I'm not calling SpaceV3gan stupid , but the topic banning people is something we disagree on. You have a point though, this debate is doing no one any favors, and I should keep this to the PMs.

 

Edit: tried to correct some phrasing, don't know if I succeeded 

 

BTW, I do mean what I said on the previous post. If people should be banned for using one glitch, anyone who used any glitch should be banned as well. Equal treatment, right?

 

 

Just an simple post yes or no would suffice. You are validating my inherent mistrust of strangers  
 

[Spectr61]

My self worth is not defined by how much time i spend sitting on my ass.
 
If you can take away the repeated endless grind even for a little while i say get it while the getting is good.
 
Folks looking for the easy way???    welcome to america...   get out from under your rocks the rest of the world would like to meet you.
 
If you want to do something meaningful go donate your ps4 pc xbox or what have you to a needy family.
 
Get off that ass and go do some volunteer work with all those extra hrs you have.
 
Send a dollar a day to kids in the third world...  idc. What you do tbh
 
But dont sit here demanding bans to dignify your self worth, or judge others for how they spend sit on ass time.
 
#for real#

Angry?

[Spectr61]

I personally think it's pathetic that some people need to use trainers to get through DAMP. They are enjoying the game the wrong way.
 
That said, I will NEVER "enjoy" ban waves. There is a living person behind that username who spent time and money on this game, just like you did, because they like Dragon Age. I don't see how you can take pleasure in getting someone locked out of their game, just because s/he use a methodology that, at the end of the day, doesn't affect you directly. 
 
Don't like a hacked lobby? Don't have to play in it. 
 
To anyone upset by this: so someone is gaining prestige faster than someone else... how does that ruin your fun? I guess we have to agree to disagree because I don't understand how your enjoyment of the entire game pivots around the rate at which one number increments.

 

 
Hypocrisy is my biggest pet peeve. Whenever I see something like it I just...
 

 
I'm not calling SpaceV3gan stupid , but the topic banning people is something we disagree on. You have a point though, this debate is doing no one any favors, and I should keep this to the PMs.
 
Edit: tried to correct some phrasing, don't know if I succeeded 
 
BTW, I do mean what I said on the previous post. If people should be banned for using one glitch, anyone who used any glitch should be banned as well. Equal treatment, right?

Piffle,

I advocated the same thing in multiple threads, all exploits are cheating the game in some manner.

Example, attack animation cancelling. It is a well accepted "exploit" by most, and most replies said to forget it, animation cancelling was here to stay.

My point is that once you start on the slippery path, logically, what's the difference between that and glitching a lobby?

Most said things like "not game breaking" or "not as bad as animation cancelling" or some such.

However, the point remains, an exploit is an exploit. Levels of import do not change that.

[Kissraven]

Behind that username there is a person who: a) breached the ToS overtly, which means that person has no respect neither for the community nor for anything game-related; a) is dedicating his/her time to blight the fun of others, regardless of what the definition of fun may or may not be; c) is achievement 'number increments' which, for most people, would take several times the effort and dedication to the game.
Honest people have lost interested and hope in this game due to rampant cheating. While I do not play in hacked lobbies, I will not be acquiescent to their existence.

Glitches are wrong, but they are not of the same gravity. Getting two Full Draws without cooldown, Spawn Blocking or transferring earned XP from one character to another, as unethical as they might be, does not weight the same as getting one promotion four times faster than everyone else by deliberately glitching lobbies.

As a diligent player that I know you are, I am surprised to see you showing so much empathy for cheaters. Also, I have advocated alternatives to banning. I also find banning pretty extreme. However, in my humblest view, banning is still better than no action.

I did not read empathy for cheaters into Piffle's post, but rather empathy for the community, which is welcome. Not all of us express their feelings as well as some, and at times I know people phrase things with more drastic language then the feelings they really have behind those words. 

 

A mass banning of anyone who used any type of glitch in DAMP would mean no community would exist since sometimes these issues are not within your control. However, without some discipline the community grows more mistrusting of others, the game and BioWare and that is also bad for the community. In a perfect world the "unearned" and I stress "unearned" xp would be removed and we all can get along, but the Dev's have stated that bans will be the only discipline. 

 

If you used the glitch it will be easier for the community to get over this whole situation if the players who truly "abused" the glitch were banned or better yet disciplined in a more appropriate way. We still do not know what BioWare will determine is "abuse", but once they perform bans we will all know and it will be easier to move forward. No one wants the community to suffer, but as V3gan said the person who chose to "abuse" the glitch put him/herself in that position knowingly. Again, probably less than 10% and maybe even 1-2% would qualify as players who "abused" the glitch.

[Kissraven]

Piffle,

I advocated the same thing in multiple threads, all exploits are cheating the game in some manner.

Example, attack animation cancelling. It is a well accepted "exploit" by most, and most replies said to forget it, animation cancelling was here to stay.

My point is that once you start on the slippery path, logically, what's the difference between that and glitching a lobby?

Most said things like "not game breaking" or "not as bad as animation cancelling" or some such.

However, the point remains, an exploit is an exploit. Levels of import do not change that.

While I agree that all glitches can be detrimental to the game and or community, there has always been a hierarchy for what is accepted and not accepted in gaming. The community and developers decide this, sometimes via how easy it is to fix, sometimes because of public outcry, sometimes because it truly is unethical. I am not posting to justify the actions of others, but some glitches still require you to earn the rewards, meaning that completing a match is still not guaranteed and can't be done much faster than normal, thus getting little to no unearned xp.

 

With the xp glitch just the act of completing a game on any difficulty gave a player "unearned" xp, which is different than a lot of the other glitches and BioWare has worked to stop the glitches that also helped to give unearned xp. I do not like auto-canceling, but it is hardly a game changer of a glitch. However, going towards Piffle's point, why would someone who uses these lesser glitches be so aggressive in calling out others who used the xp glitch... 

 

Regardless of what has been or is said, the community would have benefited from a quicker fix, clearer communication, and discipline for people who have "abused" the glitch. No healing will take place until trust is restored to the community, which cannot happen without some repercussions for players actions. (Ideally xp rollback and not bans, but hey it is what it is as this point)

[Kissraven]

Not everyone against (severe) punishment over the XP exploit is like xxthat_guyxx. This XP exploit fiasco isn't as black and white as you seem to believe.

While you are partly right (no true definition of abuse has been given) there are some black and white parts to this.

 

1. July 6/7th Patch 1.09 introduced and started the glitch or at least made it accessible to all easily.

2. July 11/12th, Dev posted they were aware of glitch and could track and implied do not use it.

3. July 18th Dev post was taken out of context and players thought glutting was permitted.

4. July 20th Dev clarifies post and reiterates not to purposely use the glitch (exact meaning of what is considered abuse still undefined)

5. July 28th lot of players know how to recreate, supposedly even a video existed at one point.

6. August 4th Dev clearly states player who use the glitch and if you have "abused" the glitch you may be banned, no leaderboard reset.

7. Shortly after Aug 4/5th a cap fix was implemented limiting xp gain, with Dev's stating this cap takes into account max possible legit xp earned.

8. Aug 10/11th latest patch supposedly implements a permanent fix, but also keep the cap in place as a safety net.

9. Banning will be only discipline and BioWare will use "Metrics" to determine what is "abuse" still no idea of timeframe for discipline and where the cutoff will be if any.

 

So if after July 11/12th you participated in the glitch in more than a few accidental games here and there then you took your DAMP future into your own hands and risk being banned. While there should have been a notice on the game and via other media channels, it does not absolve someone of "abusing" the glitch during the the 4-5 weeks it was active. The "Black & White" part is 1-9 but the grey is that people pugged and ran into it by accident, and I don't think most of these people will be disciplined if they truly did not "abuse" the glitch. (whatever BioWare deems as abuse that is...)

[Piffle]

I wasn’t going to post on this topic anymore but I guess my last post wasn’t well structured and raised more debate. This time, I will try to put all those essay-writing classes I took (and pointers from some good people, you know who you are and thank you) to good use.

 

I am going to bring back an issue (or rather non-issue) we had a while ago: the zone 5 switch. This glitch allowed you to gain experience at an accelerated rate via a method that Bioware does not approve. Does this definition sound familiar? I think so, because the double XP glitch can be defined the same way.

 

I have no interest in throwing anyone under the bus, but I will say a lot of the private perilous lobbies on PC used this. Bioware didn’t have any policy specifically regarding the zone 5 glitch at the time, but then again, we didn't exactly go out of our way to let Bioware know this was possible.

 

To anyone who used this glitch and gained achievements in way less time and effort than most people took, were you trying to blight someone else's fun? Were you overtly disrespecting the community or anything game related through this glitch? How can you judge others using a different glitch and not judge yourself for using this one?

 

The only entity that can judge the gravity of a glitch is Bioware. I am not going to debate anyone on whether one glitch is more "valid" than another, because I have no right to make the call. 

 

In my eyes though, if using one glitch makes you a cheater, then anyone using any glitch is a cheater. If one cheater should be banned, then every cheater should be banned. To think that the glitches you use are forgivable while the glitches others use deserve only banning, that is the height of hypocrisy.  

 

Let me make this clear, I think cheaters are sad people. I have no respect for people who rely on trainers and they have no room in my games.

 

I have empathy for people who are accused of cheating though, because in my experience, people who care too much about the leaderboards are quick to point fingers and spread unsubstantiated rumors about it.

 

I don't know if it's because of my gender or my personality, but have any of you had to explain why you have the amount of prestige you do? Have you ever had to justify how you were able to promote x number of times when you only appeared to have logged on for y number of hours? Most of the people I've met in DAMP are awesome, but I can't tell you how disgusted I felt when I learned some prestige-obsessed creeps were tracking when I logged on, when I logged off, and how much prestige I gained everyday.

 

To answer sonofbarak, I suppose I drank one particular brand of go go juice: the zone 5 one. I can say I was ignorant, that it wasn’t cheating, or I was just doing what everyone else was doing but, at the end of the day, I was culpable and my hands will never be clean. I can't honestly wish banning on others; if they deserve banning, then I deserve it as well.

 

I'd welcome some sort of discipline for cheating, but Bioware has stated that banning was the only recourse they will consider. This saddens me because I don't find delight in other people's misery.

 

No TLDR because this sh*t took forever for me to write.

[scene_cachet]

TBH I have never used any glitch in the game, even though I have had plenty of opportunity to. 

 

I have been in lobbies where people have left and been re-invited to get that xp transfer for a level 1 character and I have been invited to many of a glitched double xp lobby and refused. 

 

Personally, I don't over promote and even though my promotions may seem high, a lot of them are due to completing challenges rather than aimlessly promoting. 

 

I really don't have problem with how people play their game UNTIL it effects someone elses gameplay. Seeing as I am someone who likes progression via challenges and don't use ill gained methods to do this, I can see how someone who plays just for leaderboard progression via legit way can get upset.

 

So if you choose to exploit the system, you should have no place in the leaderboards. 

 

And FYI, if you have been using exploits, you shouldn't be BETA testing this product. 

[Felis Menari]

@Kissraven: There's more to it than that though. What of the people who were cheated out of a great deal of experience from bugs such as the key glitch? Or rampant dashboarding even (which still occurs)? Would you consider it unfair for players to have used the exploit simply to regain what they lost, through no fault of their own?

@scene_cachet: The kind of people who are likely to figure out issues like the XP exploit are exactly the kind of player needed for beta testing, me thinks. Better to nail that **** down before it ever goes live.

[Piffle]

@scene_cachet: The kind of people who are likely to figure out issues like the XP exploit are exactly the kind of player needed for beta testing, me thinks. Better to nail that **** down before it ever goes live.

 

^This. The best thing for the community is to prevent glitches from leaking onto live.

 

[Kissraven]

@Kissraven: There's more to it than that though. What of the people who were cheated out of a great deal of experience from bugs such as the key glitch? Or rampant dashboarding even (which still occurs)? Would you consider it unfair for players to have used the exploit simply to regain what they lost, through no fault of their own?

I have been playing DAMP since late November, and yes it was frustrating and disheartening at times with the key glitch. To this day the number of DC's is ridiculous for a game with the resources of EA and BioWare, after all ME3 was never this bad and I still play some ME3 now from time to time with few disruptions. (Of course completely invisible enemies makes for a challenge, but I see this as training for DAMP. lol)

 

So to your question I fully understand the reasoning behind why some may have used or even "abused" the glitch. However, that really is a separate issue and not so easily quantifiable or equitable when compared to the xp glitch. 

 

No one can control DC's as far as I know. While the key glitch happened due to dogs mostly being blasted into the environment, this was also mostly out of player control other than to not use skills like firestorm, but could still happen with little effort at times. I do not begrudge players getting a little "unearned" xp because of what you mentioned, but how do you determine how much you deserve, and then if you get that xp, then why can't other players also use the glitch... So it just opens up too much inconsistency.

 

Us legacy players (People who started prior to weekend challenges) get the added benefit of having more challenge points toward Prestige. While we all want the xp we lost to no fault of our own, I don't feel that gives me the right to "abuse" an xp glitch to get it back. If you so happened to fall into a lobby, played a few games and then left. Then did not actively seek this out or create 2x lobbies then I suspect you will feel no ban hammer, and even if that means I missed out on the opportunity to recoup lost xp I will not be upset, but rather content that I know I did earn what I have. 

 

If you want to know what I truly find unfair though, it is that a FC gold challenge has been added and not retroactive. First I don't get challenges for new content, then setting game to random screws me out of gold tracking for old maps, then no retroactive character or dragon completions, and after putting out patch 1.09 which could have added FC gold challenge, they wait until I'm sick of farming the dragon for Hakkon weapons to add a FC gold challenge that I probably have already completed and I have to start at ZERO. That's unfair.... Grrr....

[sonofbarak]

What day did they start tracking weekend challenges and how many u got??